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Pitcairn17
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A deacon is an ORDINARY minister of Holy Communion as defined by the Church. That’s a whole other thing than an “extraordinary “ minister. A deacon is an ordinary minister by virtue of his ordination.
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TheMortenBay
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Really? That must be a new-ish development. I’ve certainly only ever seen a deacon distributing communion in Novus Ordo parishes. Or I’ve just never seen it.
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on_the_hill
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Love it. Kosher, yes. Halal, maybe not so much.
Regardless, I fail to see how one can rationally reject receiving the Holy Eucharist.
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GabrielZacarias
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Not actually. There are some requirements for licit communion in hand. At least here in my country these requirements are almost never fulfilled, and yet communion in hand is generally accepted, unfortunatelly. I know of a priest that has prohibited it after two persons took the Most Holy Sacrament out of the church. I wish more priests did that in order to stop these sacrileges!
As for lay ministers, there is also much abuse. By here I only remember not seeing them in Extraordinary Form Masses. Even in weekdays Ordinary Form Masses with very few people communicating they are there!
For lay communion ministers rules, please read article 8 §2 of this text: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...ocuments/rc_con_interdic_doc_15081997_en.html
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jack63
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I sort of see where you are coming from.
On one level, I recently was helping my sick parent (who got better) at the hospital. I really appreciated the lay minister who came to give my parent and I communion. I was very grateful. Also, if just one priest is available, then lay ministers are good too.
However, lay people are extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist and Deacons, Priests, and Bishops are ordinary ministers. There is a great deal of meaning to have a Deacon or two up there acting as ordinary ministers of the Eucharist, and sometimes it seems that training Deacons in some parishes (certainly not all) is not encouraged. This is where my slight discomfort with lay ministers comes from.
On one level, I recently was helping my sick parent (who got better) at the hospital. I really appreciated the lay minister who came to give my parent and I communion. I was very grateful. Also, if just one priest is available, then lay ministers are good too.
However, lay people are extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist and Deacons, Priests, and Bishops are ordinary ministers. There is a great deal of meaning to have a Deacon or two up there acting as ordinary ministers of the Eucharist, and sometimes it seems that training Deacons in some parishes (certainly not all) is not encouraged. This is where my slight discomfort with lay ministers comes from.
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Herself
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As a EMHC I have no issue with you wanting to receive from the priest and have had times when people will say I would rather wait for Fr to give me communion and again that is ok. I became a EMHC because my parish priest asked me and I received full training. I always do my best and I respect what I do. I do not give blessings as I have heard some EMHCs do I give communion and it is a great honor and blessing to do so.
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MagdalenaRita
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I’m not trying to be “smart”, but AFAIK the priests’ hands aren’t “consecrated”. He is ordained to the priesthood, but not physically “consecrated”.
I may be wrong.
Your comment kind of caught me off guard, because I had always heard that the priest’s hands were consecrated, so I googled it and here are just some places I found that says that they are consecrated. Consecration meaning to set apart or make holy for a specific purpose.My thoughts exactly.
http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-te...ation/faqs-priesthood-ordination-seminary.cfm
7. What does the anointing of the hands signify?
Anointing with oil stems from the Old Testament and indicates that someone or something is being set apart for a sacred task or duty. The anointing of the hands signifies that the hands of the newly ordained priest are being prepared for the sacred duties and vessels which will be part of the priestly ministry, for example, offering the bread and the wine, anointing the sick and blessing people. The bishop says as he anoints the hands: “The Father anointed our Lord Jesus Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit. May Jesus preserve you to sanctify the Christian people and to offer sacrifice to God.”
http://www.ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur225.htm
During ordination a new priest’s hands are anointed with chrism as a sign of consecration and of the change that has been effected in his soul.
“The Life and Revelations of Anne Catherine Emmerich” by the Very Reverend Carl E. Schmoger
According to Blessed Anne Emmerich:
“The consecrated fingers of a priest will be recognizable in Purgatory; yes, even in Hell they will be known and they will burn with a particular fire."
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CoeurRempli
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I am an EMHC and this is exactly my answer as well.
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MagdalenaRita
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I completely agree. I do not like receiving from lay ministers either. I also will either go to the other line or not receive.
You are correct the priest’s hands are consecrated for this very person, and no one else’s hands are.
It is true that it is the Body of Christ no matter who ministers it but then I would ask with that thinking why not anybody minister it or should we not show reverence to the Body of Christ with sacred handling.
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Cor_ad_Cor
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Yes, actually. And your link, with which I am quite familiar, doesn’t address it. I have no further desire to argue. Your mind is made up, despite being presented with logical information to satisfy your request. Bless you for your convictions, but please don’t disparage anyone who disagrees and is still in conformity with the Church.
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Hoosier-Daddy
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Is that your same view of the transitional diaconate?
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gracepoole
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Wait, what? How does that follow?
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Finn
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Why is that?
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Brendea
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So you would rather reject jesus… I’m not entirely sure that is a good thing. I would also hope that you had communion at least once during the Easter season.
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jack63
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So here is a link to Catholic cannon law…near the bottom you’ll find Can. 910
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P38.HTM#4.1.0.3.1.1.910
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P38.HTM#4.1.0.3.1.1.910
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MagdalenaRita
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Hmm, You should explain why. Not judging but it sounds a little rebellious. The priest is the Minister of Holy Communion and EMHC are just that, only to be extra. They are not ordained. The Latin Mass is the Catholic Mass also. The ordinary form of the Mass we have now, is based on the extraordinary form. If you want to truly understand the ordinary form, study the extraordinary form.
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Horton
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This morning I was privileged to serve as a EMHC. It is a privilege to serve the Church in this manner and I understand some prefer to receive from the priest. I prefer to receive from a priest but I don’t go out of my way to do so. I am completely aware I am unworthy to distribute the body & blood of our Lord. I have to remind myself to remain humble in this task.
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Convert3
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As did I and my wife. We feel exactly the same way.
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TheLittleLady
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The Church in general, your Bishop and Pastor in particular, have determined that these people are to be EMHCs. It is an exercise in humility to accept that they will not do something to cause you spiritual harm.
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Hoosier-Daddy
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People would refuse the eucharist if they cannot recieve from a priest? I dont know if anyone is claiming that.
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