Struggling with NFP and hurting

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Ten months after our wedding, my husband and I welcomed our first child who is now four months old. Our desire is to wait two years before having another child for the following reasons. We would like to focus on the child we already have for right now and get to the point were he is at least sleeping through the night in his own room. Neither of us are getting a full night’s sleep now, as is to be expected. During my first pregnancy, I wanted to do nothing but sleep during the first trimester, and I do not think I can physically get up during the night with my baby as well as spend all day taking care of a four month old, all while being fatigued all the time. My body generally needs to rest from being pregnant. I had gestational diabetes while pregnant, despite being 25 years old, a healthy weight, and in overall good health. I am almost guaranteed to have gestational diabetes in subsequent pregnancies, and I need to rest from that. I am breastfeeding my baby, and I’m not sure what happens to a nursing mother’s breast milk if she becomes pregnant… My point is, I think we have serious reasons to use NFP to postpone pregnancy.

I would have liked to use the lactational anmenhorea method (LAM) but I was forced to supplement my breastfeeding with formula when my baby was first born because of complications. I am exclusively breastfeeding now, but the initial formula supplement thwarted my attempts at LAM. We are using the Creighton method. I have a very long mucus cycle, so my practitioner told me to do the “essential sameness” question. I tired really hard, but I still have mucus left and right, and I honestly cannot tell whether it is essentially the same or not. Throw in seminal fluid and arousal fluid, and I just consider myself fertile and count three pretty much all the time. I keep bringing up my concerns to my practitioner, but she doesn’t do very much to help. She basically just tells me it will get better as time goes on. Well, she’s been saying that for the past year and a half (I began charting six months before the wedding), and nothing as changed. We tried supplementing with some Marquette techniques by getting a Clearblue monitor, but that only caused more confusion. We want to try LadyComp, but I’m not having my period yet, and I think you have to wait until you are in regular cycles to start it. Taking my temperature wouldn’t work very well now anyway, since the amount of sleep I get each night and the time I wake up in the morning varies so widely.

So, for a month and a half now, my husband and I have been unable to be together since we are abstaining due to uncertainty and are not sure when I will show a sign of infertility again. It is taking its toll emotionally on both of us.

I have accepted the Church’s teaching on contraception with immense fervor ever since I was old enough to understand it. I have read the Catechism, taken religion classes, and had everything explained to me as to why contraception is wrong. I understand the difference between contraception and NFP. I do not have a problem with NFP or periodic abstinence. What I do have a problem with is a system of NFP that is uncertain to the point that it considers one fertile at all times, so the method is basically “abstain when you want to avoid a pregnancy and have intercourse when you want to achieve a pregnancy.” That’s pretty much the way all the systems are working for me at this point.

I do not want to use contraception, and neither my husband nor I plan to use contraception. I know it’s a mortal sin and that it is ALWAYS a mortal sin, and I do not want to commit a mortal sin. However, I admit I am beginning to lose the fervor of my acceptance of the Church’s teaching. The Church teaches that responsible family planning is a virtue. Responsible family planning is what my husband and I are trying to do right now. But the Church also encourages married couples to exercise their marital intimacies on a somewhat regular basis. It just seems like a contradiction to me, especially when, as I said, my current method of responsible family planning is basically total abstinence for the time being. It feels just a bit…for lack of better word…cruel. We are open to life because we have had a child and want to have more children. We are doing the responsible thing by avoiding pregnancy for serious reasons. And we love each other and want to be together in the way married people do.

Please pray for us, and any advice would be much appreciated.
 
I only have a small, and perhaps not very significant, bit of information for you, but you might find it helpful:

I nursed my now 2 year old all the way through my second pregnancy (he turned 2 a month before his brother was born). Getting pregnant does not necessarily mean weaning. Both of my children are still nursing and I make enough milk for both of them. My supply did diminish a little bit while pregnant, but my son was also eating a lot of solids at that point. The milk has the nutritional value needed for the younger child once you give birth.

There is an “old wives’ tale” about breastfeeding during pregnancy causing miscarriage, but the only study with this result was done in a place where famine is common, and the mother experienced hunger not only during pregnancy, but also while growing up. There was info on this study and other studies regarding “tandem nursing” (including nursing while pregnant) in Adventures in Tandem Nursing.

Only you and your husband can discern whether you are called to avoid pregnancy at this time, but I did want to give you some reassurance on this particular point. 🙂

God bless you!
 
Have you thought about switching methods and maybe trying STM?

Adding temperature readings might help you gain a clearer picture. Besides, you can still temp and be nursing an infant without worrying about sleeping through the night. You only need a few hours of sleep and to remember that you must take your temp immediately after you wake up (while your still in bed).

I nursed my daughter at all hours of the night and got my cycles back very early. I was still able to chart using STM and my temperatures were easy to interpret. We waited a year to conceive baby number two and successfully used STM to avoid that whole time.

At first we were very conservative about relations. As I got better at interpretation and reading signs…relations increased.

Plus, adding a cervix check might help too.

I’ll say a few prayers for you.
 
I don’t know if it helps you feel any better, but I can relate to so much of what you’ve written. It is hard to have long phases of abstinence because your body doesn’t do what the textbook says it will do.

I wonder if you have ever seen a NaPro doctor and had your hormone levels tested. A progesterone supplement might help normalize your long mucous cycle.

I consider charting to be a sacrifice that I offer up for my family. I do this frustrating stuff and get annoyed with my body every month when we have to endure more abstinence than we’d like or I have to deal with unpleasant symptoms. The progesterone has helped a lot but like you I have lost my fervor for NFP. I am 100% on board with the Church’s teachings. Some would say that if NFP is really that hard, maybe it’s a sign to stop using it and be willing to get pregnant…but for people who need to abstain for medical reasons (or the reasons you listed), that is sometimes impossible. However, imagine if you didn’t start with that fervor…this would be even harder for you now. I like to think that there is a woman out there who is on the fence about Church teaching, but has a textbook cycle and finds charting to be very easy. If she didn’t have an easy cycle, she might be quickly tempted to use artificial birth control or be sterilized. Women like that can have the easy cycles…I’ll take one for the team and suffer the difficult cycles. 🙂 I don’t know if that makes as much sense in writing as it does in my mind, but when I’m feeling particularly frustrated, thinking that way is helpful to me. Progesterone does help a lot, but it’s not a fix-all.

Sorry you’re so frustrated. I do understand. 😦
 
Aside from you fatigue issues… I hope your medical provider will be monitoring you for conversion to type 2 diabetes… some studies indicate as many as 50% of Gestational diabetics will convert to type 2 DM at some point.

Here is an excerpt from an article:

Current American Diabetes Association guidelines recommend that women with GDM undergo postpartum glucose testing at 6–8 weeks and every 3 years thereafter (1). Our review indicates that women with higher fasting glucose levels during pregnancy and after delivery may warrant more frequent testing and that lower-risk women may require less frequent testing. Further analysis of rates of conversion by ethnicity between studies could clarify the role of ethnicity in determining the rate of progression. Future research should examine the applicability of preventive strategies in the unique post-GDM population and, in particular, address the barriers that these mothers face in access to health care and lifestyle interventions. In the meantime, all women with GDM should be encouraged to engage in preventive behaviors such as increased physical activity, healthy diets, and maintenance of a normal body weight.

The full article can be found here… but it is quite technical.
care.diabetesjournals.org/content/25/10/1862.full

Good luck with your NFP journey!
 
STM won’t work for her; if baby isn’t sleeping through the night, neither is she. I doubt she is having long enough stretches of sleep to get an accurate reading.

Girl to girl, I just want to tell you, I’ve been there, I know. I think my husband and I had sex about 7 times in the first year postpartum. I was, like you say you are, basically always getting fertile readings. It’s frustrating and maddening, but you will get through this and it will get easier, I promise.
 
STM won’t work for her; if baby isn’t sleeping through the night, neither is she. I doubt she is having long enough stretches of sleep to get an accurate reading.

Girl to girl, I just want to tell you, I’ve been there, I know. I think my husband and I had sex about 7 times in the first year postpartum. I was, like you say you are, basically always getting fertile readings. It’s frustrating and maddening, but you will get through this and it will get easier, I promise.
For some women the sleep will disrupt temp readings, but for some it won’t. It didn’t make a difference for me. Baby woke up, but he had a pretty consistent “schedule” so I could still detect shifts.

I wouldn’t be so sure the OP couldn’t try LAM or ecological breastfeeding, even though she supplemented at the beginning. IIRC, Sheila Kippley mentions in her book at least one case where a woman had her period after not consistently following the seven standards, then got stricter with them and then had several more months before another.
 
I don’t have any specific advice for you about postpartum NFP methods, since I don’t have any kids. I am sorry that it’s so difficult, and I’ll pray for you.

One thing that jumped out at me though, is that you mention waiting two years. I’d advise you, instead of putting a finite limit on things, to instead plan to use NFP “until you don’t have reasons not to”. Use of NFP is something meant to be discerned month-to-month. Of course people with chronic health issues can sometimes have little room for discernment because there are fewer changing variables. But right now, your baby is only 4 months old, and you don’t really know how you’re going to feel in a few months or a year.

I think it would be easier on both of you if you examine, each month, whether you still feel the same. If you do, fine, but at least it won’t seem so daunting. Two years is a long time to think about. During that time it might be that you decide you can handle more than you thought you could before, or it may be that you are still too overwhelmed. However it goes, try to take it one day at a time.

Remember that you actually don’t have all that much experience with charting, if you started a few months before the wedding and were pregnant soon after. It does take time to get it down, and especially when things change postpartum. It might take some time to find what works best for you.
 
I am sorry to hear about your problems, but there is one solution to this that I am surprised that no one has mentioned. Your baby is four months old, and had had the benefit of your breast milk for this time. Four months is longer than many mothers breast feed. If you were to switch to formula, you would most likely get your regular cycles back soon. I don’t want to anyone to think that I am anti-breastfeeding. I am not. I nursed my three children for a total of more than eight years. I know all about the advantages of breastfeeding, but in my situation they did not come at the expense of our marriage. Babies can thrive on formula. This is just something for you to consider.
 
Look into STM along with what you are doing- I know mine would give me a big block of sleep 3-4 hrs? predictably, and so I could check my temp after that block (they say 3 hrs of good sleep before checking).

I also had gestational diabetes with my first- I had no known factors- I weighed 110 and was 23! I did NOT develop it with the subsequent 2 kids, so you never know 🙂

As far as nursing, some women can nurse through pregnancy, and some will dry up. Can’t predict that one 😦
 
This is where the NFP marketing that is often done is actually harmful. Too often it is presented as a practice that in itself will enhance and grow the marriage and be a wonderful part of the relationship. That’s Pollyanna bunkum. Using NFP to avoid pregnancy is hard, frustrating, hair-pulling experience. It’s supposed to be. The fact that it stinks is the sneaky mechanism God put into us to make us continuously examine our reasons for avoiding. It’s why NFP couples often have one to several “oh what the heck” babies while contraceptors don’t even know what that IS! Little to nothing truly good in life is easy, is it?

Making that leap of comprehension helped me SO much! Once I realized that NFP isn’t a catholic alternative to contraception, but a catholic alternative to total abstinence, it got a lot easier. The post-partum return is a particularly brutal time. It ends eventually! We use Billing’s, which is similar to Creighton. Just keep checking your mucus daily (multiple times daily if it’s confusing) and it should eventually get easier. You’re looking for what my wife calls the ZOOM day where it is most slippery, slick and stretchy. That’s the peak day. GO day is 4 days later (set alarm clock early…)

You’re husband actually can survive on once a month for quite a while if really necessary. Ask me how I know! Things usually do settle down again after your body reorganizes itself. It just seems right now like it will last forever. It doesn’t. In the meantime enjoy that baby! They’re gone and whining for iphones before you can hardly blink!
 
I LOLed at the above comment about “oh, what the heck” babies. And contraceptors don’t really get it when you explain it. They assume, failed contraception.
 
Geez, if I didn’t know better, I would have though I was the one who wrote your post! I’m going through the same thing. I have a serious reason to postpone pregnancy. I’m extremely high risk, and I could be risking my life. My husband and I have been abstaining five months now due to breastfeeding. I’m sick of falling into mortal sin, especially with someone I love, due to falling into temptation. I’ll pray for you. Please pray for me.
 
It’s why NFP couples often have one to several “oh what the heck” babies while contraceptors don’t even know what that IS! Little to nothing truly good in life is easy, is it?]

LOL. I’ve got three BEAUTIFUL “oh what the heck” babies and expecting number 4 any day 🙂 Though I would classify baby 4 more as a “busy mom forgot to chart right” baby.

I don’t have any exceptionally good advice for the OP, but can tell you we’re facing some of the same feelings. After number 4 comes, we’ll suddenly have some serious reasons to avoid having another child for a while and I’m nervous about relying on NFP or long abstinence. You have my empathy!
 
Geez, if I didn’t know better, I would have though I was the one who wrote your post! I’m going through the same thing. I have a serious reason to postpone pregnancy. I’m extremely high risk, and I could be risking my life. My husband and I have been abstaining five months now due to breastfeeding. I’m sick of falling into mortal sin, especially with someone I love, due to falling into temptation. I’ll pray for you. Please pray for me.
If you are doing the Creighton method, they do a blood test for people with extremely serious reasons to avoid a pregnancy. They reserve it for people with extremely serious reasons in order to keep the cost as low as possible. The blood test confirms whether you have ovulated or not. I’m not a candidate for it because my reasons for avoiding are serious but not to the point that I really can’t be pregnant. You sound like you might be a candidate since you are extremely high risk and could be risking your life. Just something you may want to consider talking to your practitioner about.

I will pray for you. Thank you for your post.
 
Geez, if I didn’t know better, I would have though I was the one who wrote your post! I’m going through the same thing. I have a serious reason to postpone pregnancy. I’m extremely high risk, and I could be risking my life. My husband and I have been abstaining five months now due to breastfeeding. I’m sick of falling into mortal sin, especially with someone I love, due to falling into temptation. I’ll pray for you. Please pray for me.
If you are doing the Creighton method, they do a blood test for people with extremely serious reasons to avoid a pregnancy. They reserve it for people with extremely serious reasons in order to keep the cost as low as possible. The blood test confirms whether you have ovulated or not. I’m not a candidate for it because my reasons for avoiding are serious but not to the point that I really can’t be pregnant. You sound like you might be a candidate since you are extremely high risk and could be risking your life. Just something you may want to consider talking to your practitioner about.
 
If you are doing the Creighton method, they do a blood test for people with extremely serious reasons to avoid a pregnancy. They reserve it for people with extremely serious reasons in order to keep the cost as low as possible. The blood test confirms whether you have ovulated or not. I’m not a candidate for it because my reasons for avoiding are serious but not to the point that I really can’t be pregnant. You sound like you might be a candidate since you are extremely high risk and could be risking your life. Just something you may want to consider talking to your practitioner about.

I will pray for you. Thank you for your post.
Thank you Lily,

That would be wonderful if I could have someone train me in the Creighton Method. There is no one in our area that teaches it. I’m trained in the Sypto-Thermal Method. Unfortunately, I don’t have my cycles to show me what phase I’m in. I hear from everyone about how good the Creighton Method is…It’s frustrating:(
 
STM won’t work for her; if baby isn’t sleeping through the night, neither is she. I doubt she is having long enough stretches of sleep to get an accurate reading.

Girl to girl, I just want to tell you, I’ve been there, I know. I think my husband and I had sex about 7 times in the first year postpartum. I was, like you say you are, basically always getting fertile readings. It’s frustrating and maddening, but you will get through this and it will get easier, I promise.
Put baby in bed WITH you. Leave your shirt off. Baby will wake up when hungry and figure out what to do. Works for my wife. Still not 100% better on sleep, but it is a lot better than physically getting yourself UP in the middle of the night to retrieve the child to feed. Much less disturbing, at least for us. We have eight kids. Never felt “responsible family planning” was anything more than rubbish.

Abstain if you have a serious reason to, otherwise have at it. Remember, the house does NOT have to be immaculate, the grass doesn’t need to be mowed on a schedule. As long as everyone is healthy, happy, fed and the essential bills are paid, the rest can wait. Works for us.

Remember, if you get a period at all, just use that time for intimacy. Depends on the couple if that is “ok” or not. Never bothered me, but then again we never actively tried to avoid either.
 
Thank you Lily,

That would be wonderful if I could have someone train me in the Creighton Method. There is no one in our area that teaches it. I’m trained in the Sypto-Thermal Method. Unfortunately, I don’t have my cycles to show me what phase I’m in. I hear from everyone about how good the Creighton Method is…It’s frustrating:(
Creighton Method is supposed to be awesome…however, I’m in the same position as you. No one teaches Creighton where I live.
We have plenty of NFP instructors but all of them are STM trained.

There are books out there from the CCL that give instruction on how to observe cycles while you are nursing. CCL is only STM though.
 
Form your conscience & use contraception.There is no sin in contraceptive use in informed conscience.The Church(the people as Vatican II describe) long ago rejected the nonsense each & every contraceptive act is wrong.This is the same church that once hailed slavery as moral,condemned democracy & hailed as serious sin interest on a loan(which the Vatican bank now does for finance).The supremacy of conscience is the centre of catholic morality
 
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