Struggling With Rejection - Vocations and Mental Health

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It may be that religious communities are exempt from Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA).
They are.

 
Wow, caps lock and bolding combined. With respect, your approach here seems a bit aggressive. (First jumping to the aggressive idea that a discerner should consider secular legal action against religious communities, and then responding aggressively to replies to this thought.)

Again, with respect, when it comes to discernment, God leads us with peace, not anxiety. God is with each one of us (including those of us with mental health issues). We don’t need to ‘force’ ourselves into God’s will for us. God will enable His will for us to happen. We just need to pay attention, with respect, to the guidance He gives us — including respecting the reality of a closed door when we encounter it.

Nothing need disturb our peace. We have equal ‘access’ to Jesus outside a consecrated community as within one (just as we have equal access outside a marriage as in one). There is no such thing as a day in any of our lives (including as a single person living in the world, including if we have mental health issues) that cannot be sanctified and offered up to God. Each of us can take one day at a time, and follow God’s lead.
 
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I would point out that modern psychiatric diagnoses derive mostly from an unbelieving rational, “scientific” culture dating back to Freud, Jung, et al. As a Catholic physician, it was my experience that most physicians are non-believers, including (maybe, especially) psychiatrists…the modern thought police. This rational “scientific” culture has a dark, intertwined history of abusing nearly as much as helping the mentally ill. Consider the horrors of large mental institutions, psycho-surgery (like frontal lobotomies), electro-convulsive therapy, and the eugenics / abortions / sterilizations of Margaret Sanger and mass sterilizations / murders of Adolf Hitler. The latter behaviors stem from the very common, worldly view that the mentally ill are a dangerous blot and unproductive burden on humanity. They need sterilization or liquidation to “protect” society.

This worldly, rational, attitude has infected most of Western thinking, sadly including the Church.

All humans are sinners and most suffer maladies. Having hypertension, or asthma (even severe, or debilitating), or kidney disease is socially acceptable, but mental health disorders are unacceptable. Here, we see a two-class medical / social system, based on pride. “My health conditions are socially acceptable, so I am GOOD…but, your health condition is socially unacceptable, so you are BAD.”

One can only wonder how many prophets, hearing voices, and having visions, might be dubbed “schizophrenic” (i.e. BAD) by the rational “science” of modern psychiatry. Ecclesiastes certainly comes to my mind.

Acceptable and unacceptable mental experiences are often determined by the culture in which they take place. Consequently, the individuals reporting those experiences may be valued (they are GOOD) or rejected (they are BAD). For example, the Vikings had a cohort of obviously mentally deranged people, WHOM THEY VALUED, because these people were believed to obtain messages from the gods (kind of like Ecclesiastes). Some Native Americans ingested peyote buttons to get divine visions. Others went on long treks with fasting from water and food, to get divine visions (called a “vision quest”). In the Bible, Daniel only ate “pulse” (vegetables) to get dreams and visions.

In some cases, the Church may be excluding spiritually valuable people by buying into the diagnostic labels generated by a largely worldly, unbelieving, rational, “scientific,” medical community.
 
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Well, I served in the military. Your definition of “aggressive” sounds very snowflake.
Now calling someone a ‘snowflake’. Not impressive.

By the way, my purpose in mentioning aggression may have seemed unclear; I apologize if so. I didn’t mean that your approach comes off as aggressive and I’m personally hurt by this. I mean your approach comes off as aggressive and that’s not an advisable orientation for counselling a person discerning the religious life (which is a life of patient, humble obedience to authority even when they close a door on us, not passionately advocating for one’s own will to be done).
 
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"Now calling someone a ‘snowflake’. Not impressive.

By the way, my purpose in mentioning aggression may have seemed unclear; I apologize if so. I didn’t mean that your approach comes off as aggressive and I’m personally hurt by this . I mean your approach comes off as aggressive and that’s not an advisable orientation for counselling a person discerning the religious life (which is a life of patient, humble obedience to authority even when they close a door on us, not passionately advocating for one’s own will to be done)."


You need to learn to read more carefully.

I didn’t call YOU a snowflake. I called defining the use of BOLD / CAPS as “aggressive” sounds pretty weak…something that wouldn’t last 30 seconds in the sunshine.

Anyway, you and I obviously are very different, emotionally. If somebody addressed me in BOLD/CAPS, I would never imagine that as being “aggressive” or “hurtful.”

I was a military Emergency Room physician for several years, where you see blood, guts, burns, gunshot wounds, poisonings, overdoses…real aggression, and real tragedy every day. My definition of “aggression” is much more literal than yours.

You and I are very different people, but I respect you. My perspectives, from my life in service to God, are just as valid as your perspectives are.

Interesting how our Catholic faith brings such varied people together, isn’t it?

P.S.: Emergency Room Physicians are trained to be aggressive (in a good way), decisive, and act quickly. That’s how we save lives. Just becomes “second nature” after a while.
 
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A religious vocation is far more like marriage than a job.

when one discerns for a religious vocation there are real life things that need to be taken into account. For example money does not simply fall from the sky to support the religious order. The members of the order who have health problems are going to need to be supported by the rest of the order. Many illnesses conditions etc will become more pronounced more severe more debilitating as we get older. The order needs to prepare to care for their own elderly and at the same time not put so much energy and time into caring for their own that they can no longer fulfill their duties 2 the church in the world.

Those of us with disabilities of various kinds can work with a vocations director to help find a way that we can serve God the best way for us as an individual with all of our needs frailties strengths etc.

There are also things that have been discussed above third orders, things like opus dei at various levels of participation.

You might wish to look up the national Catholic partnership on disabilities, a group in the United States however I’m sure they have information that will help someone in Canada. Visit their website and see they have quite a bit about those Catholics with mental disabilities emotional disabilities physical disabilities etc

Praying for you, praying for peace, May blessed Margaret be with you everyday
 
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