Struggling with thanking God for providing for our needs

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First, let me say, it is not my intention to be at odds with God, but through my very limited intellect, one which I may limit myself, there are certain things about the world as God created it which I have a hard time seeing past. Contributing to this is major depression, which often leads me to be antagonistic toward God.

Anyway, when I can’t see the ultimate beauty or truth in the way a thing works and when I continue having a hard time doing so even through intentional effort, I become frustrated and defensive against it.

So my latest antagonism is saying grace: I get why we see grace, at least in part to thank God for providing for our needs. But why thank Him for meeting a need He created in the first place. It feels like having to pay a ransom. Like, “You know well I needed this because you created the need. Why should I thank you for meeting the need when I should feel burdened at you having imposed the need on me in the first place?”

I know this is dangerous, but I suppose it’s a part of a greater argument I’ve been having with God about why we were created the way we were. The specifics of my argument are for another discussion altogether, and would take long for me to draw out. But if you wish to know my greater argument after helping me to resolve this one, I will share to the best of my ability, as its complex and am myself, still unaware as to all the factors involved.
 
So my latest antagonism is saying grace: I get why we see grace, at least in part to thank God for providing for our needs. But why thank Him for meeting a need He created in the first place. It feels like having to pay a ransom. Like, “You know well I needed this because you created the need. Why should I thank you for meeting the need when I should feel burdened at you having imposed the need on me in the first place?”
Ever since the beginnings, the Church of Christ has echoed that it is vere dignum et iustum, “very right and just”, to always give thanks to God. In fact, the basis of the New Covenant and of the Sacrifice of Christ, perpetually re-presented in Holy Mass, was the replacement of any finite sacrifice of atonement for the ultimate sacrifice:
To what purpose do you offer me the multitude of your victims, saith the Lord? I am full, I desire not holocausts of rams, and fat of fatlings, and blood of calves, and lambs, and buck goats. (Isaiah 1)
O my people, listen as I speak. Here are my charges against you, O Israel: I am God, your God! …] I will not accept a bull from your house or goats from your folds. For every beast of the forest is mine …] I know all the birds of the hills, and all that moves in the field is mine. …] If I were hungry I would not tell you, for the world is mine, and all that is in it.
Offer unto God the sacrifice of thanksgiving …]
Then call on me when you are in trouble, and I will rescue you, and you will give me glory. (Psalm 50)
I want to address your statements one by one, now.
But why thank Him for meeting a need He created in the first place. It feels like having to pay a ransom.
Because love is grateful. I do not need to thank my mom when she cooks a great lunch for me, or when she gives me some gift, but I still go to her and give her a hug and thank her for her love. And it doesn’t feel like I am paying a ransom.

However, there’s another point to be taken into consideration, and bear with me, because this one will require humbleness.

We are unworthy sinners, that spend our days offending God and hurting Him whose vision moves the pure seraphim to cover their faces and burn of love.

He, the living God, humbled Himself under the condition of man, taking flesh, and as a most merciful savior He took over His shoulders the punishment that His own perfect divine judgment would have had to impose upon us for our unfaithfulness.

He became our ransom.

This we could never deserve. In fact, it is an act of love that some call insane, bearing in mind the words of the apostle: “the foolishness of God is wiser than men”. Not even the whole Creation is worthy of one tear of the Living God, much less of His sorrowful passion. Yet, He was faithful to His promises: “for the sake of a few, I will spare them from destruction. I will make a new covenant, engrave my law in their hearts. For my own sake I shall forgive your sins.”

So we need to thank Him for bearing with us, for not treating us the way we deserve, for sparing us his perfect justice by virtue of his unfathomable mercy.

To not want to thank Him is an act of pride. As if any sinner deserved anything. As if the Living God owed any creature anything. Surely He bound himself to His creation by His own word and promises, to the point of taking human flesh and dwelling among us until the end of time, but this was an act of mercy that deserves all praise and thanksgiving.
I should feel burdened at you having imposed the need on me
Erroneous. All “needs” spring forth from man’s disobedience, from original sin, from the deprivation of sanctifying grace that was freely regained - at an insanely high price - by Christ for us. On the Last Day, when we receive the glorified body, we will be the way we were initially meant to be: with no need, no sorrow, no imperfection, nothing missing.

And even if for some reason all of the above results unbearable for you, it is still a worthy act of obedience, a worthy act of the will, to bow your head and give thanks to God Almighty even if your whole soul screams against this. God, who sees in the secret, will treasure these sacrifices of yours and reward you a hundredfold in this life and in the next one.
 
First, let me say, it is not my intention to be at odds with God, but through my very limited intellect, one which I may limit myself, there are certain things about the world as God created it which I have a hard time seeing past. Contributing to this is major depression, which often leads me to be antagonistic toward God.

Anyway, when I can’t see the ultimate beauty or truth in the way a thing works and when I continue having a hard time doing so even through intentional effort, I become frustrated and defensive against it.

So my latest antagonism is saying grace: I get why we see grace, at least in part to thank God for providing for our needs. But why thank Him for meeting a need He created in the first place. It feels like having to pay a ransom. Like, “You know well I needed this because you created the need. Why should I thank you for meeting the need when I should feel burdened at you having imposed the need on me in the first place?”

I know this is dangerous, but I suppose it’s a part of a greater argument I’ve been having with God about why we were created the way we were. The specifics of my argument are for another discussion altogether, and would take long for me to draw out. But if you wish to know my greater argument after helping me to resolve this one, I will share to the best of my ability, as its complex and am myself, still unaware as to all the factors involved.
Time and Life and Life’s Once-in-a-Lifetime Opportunities will come, and go, no matter what you do. Make the choice to allow yourself to go with the flow of your feelings and be antagonistic to God if you want. Or, make the choice to go against your current impulses and thank God, trust God, and obey God anyway, despite the 101 reasons you can think of for not doing that. Either way, your life will pass. Soon, it will be 20 years from now. Then 40 years from now. Time will fly by. Which attitude towards God do you think will give you a better life experience in all these passing years?

Also, even a depressed or anxious person can usually control the muscles in their body. Even if every urge and feeling in your mind says “No!” you can still exercise the muscles in your body and get out of bed, and clean the bathroom, and drive to such and such place (or take a bus). Our feeling are there, but our body does not have to be slaves to them. I learned this in the free meetings of Recovery Inc. See: lowselfhelpsystems.org/ These are kind of like AA meeting for people who are depressed, anxious, and so on.

God bless you. God bless us all.
 
First, let me say, it is not my intention to be at odds with God, but through my very limited intellect, one which I may limit myself, there are certain things about the world as God created it which I have a hard time seeing past…But if you wish to know my greater argument after helping me to resolve this one, I will share to the best of my ability, as its complex and am myself, still unaware as to all the factors involved.
I find your honesty and forthrightness to be beautiful and refreshing. Particularly the part about identifying with a limited intellect, as most people of adamant and unexamined faith imply that their intellect is up to the task of totally understanding that faith by itself, or as explained by a “higher” authority is adequate to meet the needs of salvation.

I beg to differ. As far as I am concerned, it is far more a matter of interior integrity, regardless of one’s faith or religion and its postulates. I have never met a self respecting, God-loving spiritual guide who didn’t demand that one be true to themselves and discover how that integrity reflects, ultimately, what might loosely and inaccurately be called “God’s plan.”

First, it ought not be difficult simply to be grateful for one’s good fortune, or parts of it, out of simple appreciation however one attributes its arrival in one’s life. The trouble may enter when one is feeling that there is a peer requirement to see the picture in a particular way. Faithers seem in general to expect that their, group or individual, understanding is THE way, the only way and God’s way, for no other reason than that is their safety net of emotionally enhanced rationalization for something that is in Truth incomprehensible by the human mind, if not the heart.

What I am saying is that due to the unfortunate way that Christianity has come to be represented even by our own Church, we have some unrealistic expectations and dire misunderstandings as to the Nature of God and what our relationship with Deity in fact is. I’m not going to go into analytic things here, as that is not necessarily your immediate needs, though that too may come in time.

the key is that you, unlike so many, are aware of your own unawareness of all the factors involved. That is magnificent and useful for salvation even according to definitions more useful than those given by the Church. But let us remain simple about this.

The relationship of one’s soul to God, real or imagined, is not primarily an intellectual one, though that may play an important par, either as a blockage, as in most faith, or as a facilitator, as in most honest inquiry. As for saying grace in particular, I too have problems with the way most say it, and for me the problem comes from attribution. But that is a more abstract matter than what may be at hand for you. Suffice it to say that if it wasn’t for others, there would not be food on your table. That works even if your gratitude is like the family in the two part cartoon: the first part has a family around a sumptuous dinner, praying “Than you, Jesus.” The second part shows a stooping Mexican in a vegetable field who is saying “De nada.” That is pretty simple and straight forward and worth of attention.

But there is more to it than that. Someone said that if you want to make an apple pie, first you have to invent the Universe. And isn’t that true? And that is why I say grace, because however it got here, given that Creation is a vastly misunderstood happening, I am grateful that I am here as a participating witness to the process of birth, life and death. I may not like parts of it, like pain and what we mistake as suffering, due to lack of perspective, but nonetheless I am happy to be here, and happy to be me.

And gratitude begets wealth. Why? Because it is a state of agreement as distinct from argument. When you agree and accept, usually clarity follows. If you argue, you are too busy maintaining your own paradigm to see what is actually happening. That is why everyone from competent psychologists to spiritual advisers to Gurus and Saints advise to accept what is. Then, accepting, you will see. So I say grace. And I don’t distinguish between what I like and don’t like personally as to whether it is good or not relative to me.

Maturity describes an arc away from identification with your persona ego. This is common wisdom gleaned by anyone who can back away from their personality far enough to see even a slightly larger picture. And so I say grace. Precisely because I don’t know. We are, each and every one of us, to some extent unconfessed and legitimate agnostics. Our idea of God is exactly that: an idea. Perhaps not even our own, but pre-cognitively installed by osmosis. Or developed by whatever means of later education. But I guarantee you this: it is an incomplete shadow of a picture. So I say grace. I acknowledge my ignorance and that the picture works with or without me, and yet I benefit, and it is up to me whether I accept what I get as a blessing or a curse. And thus I make my own world, and with grace my paradigm corresponds to whatever degree and kind with Reality as It IS, not what someone says it is, or believes it is, or conjectures by science or scripture what it might be. That is all speculation to some degree.

So our arguments “with God” aren’t that at all: they are observations within ourselves of what we might feel is good or consistent and our ideas about God, not Deity itself. That we have little clue about, save as Love, and actual good. Everything else is commentary, usually vastly limited and ignorant, no matter how scholarly. So I say grace.
 
I’m going to go out on a limb here. Remember I know nothing about you and this is an internet site so how much can a person speak to your situation, really?

Let’s say there’s a mom cooking dinner and she has 2 children. One comes into the kitchen and she asks, “Would you set the table?” and the child smells the yummy food for dinner and says with enthusiasm, “OK!”. A second child comes in the kitchen and mum says, “Could you get glasses and pour the milk please?” and second child complains and says "Why do you always ask me to do it. I have to do everything".

I might suspect there’s some bitterness, resentment and unforgiveness going on in the second child. Those emotions can really take root and take over our thoughts during the day and put a sour mood in our hearts. Although it might be caused by one person, it can color everything.

God, Who wishes us to walk in love and His Spirit, knows the remedy for this.

“…your thoughts should be wholly directed to all that is true, all that deserves respect, all that is honest, pure, admirable, decent, virtuous, or worthy of praise. …Then will the God of peace be with you.” Phil 4:8-9

When you get bogged down in negative thoughts, recognize it, and make an act of the will to not dwell on it, but rather chose to rejoice in all things.

“Rejoice in the Lord always! I say it again. Rejoice!..Dismiss all anxiety from your minds. Present your needs to God in every form of prayer and in petitions full of gratitude” Phil 4:4-5.

*Petitions full of gratitude. *

We read in Acts how Paul and Silas were accused unjustly, flogged with many lashes and thrown into prison. Now I admit, I would be very grumpy over the whole thing, not to mention the pain from the flogging and no one to care for the wounds. What do we read though? …

“About midnight, wile Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God as their fellow prisoners listened, a severe earthquake suddenly shook the pace, rocking the prison to its foundations. Immediately all the doors flew open and everyone’s chains were pulled loose.” Acts 16:25-26

This is the recipe on how to ‘pull down’ the power of God. Rejoice always in every situation. When things are looking really bad, tell God how you can’t wait to see how He intervenes and shows His power in this situation! That you can’t wait to have a testimony of the goodness of God because *God is with us! * This is the beauty of our faith!

If we struggle with bitterness, resentment, and unforgiveness, we have the beautiful sacrament of reconciliation available to us. We can unload these sins that weigh us down and walk in a newness and freshness! Gratitude will flow from us easily and we can change people and situations around us. Is there a priest who can give you spiritual direction for this year of faith? It might be very beneficial to seek this out.

God bless and keep you.
 
The greatest enjoyment a human can experience is in having desire satisfied.

If we didn’t experience need, then we wouldn’t experience desire. If we didn’t experience desire, then we wouldn’t experience satisfaction. Also consider that the greater the experience of suffering, then the greater the enjoyment of its relief.

This is true not only in the physical realm, but also in the spiritual. Yes, God puts us in need, but often times it is for the purpose of giving us relief and the enjoyment thereof. How immensely wonderful are these considerations in the light of God’s forgiveness and the glory of redemption! Here, the Christian finds the hope to persevere through suffering.

*Psalm 42.5, “Why are you cast down, O my soul, and why are you in turmoil within me? Hope in God; for I shall again praise Him, my salvation.”
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Consider also the perfect example of Jesus who suffered as no other man:
Hebrews 12.2, “looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.”
 
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