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22 years old

This is a genuine query

To people familiar with Einsteinian and Hawksian concepts

Can emotional thoughts and actions (which are according to the bible sinful) stimulate propagative chaos and suffering (less health, wealth and sociability) ?

Health, wealth and sociability (E=MC^2)

I have tried to live an unemotional life, but my suffering as only increased
 
Emotional thoughts and action are not sinful. It does not cause more chaos
 
But what if they do. Why does the bible say, in both the new and old testament, that anger, lust etc is sinful and that any man who does not forgive his brother will get punished. Jesus asks us to follow him, assuming he is all knowing and all present he would know that in this day and age of rapid technological integration between humans and technology that this will be difficult. I believe that the cross’, is the effort that you make to forgive someone who strikes you even though the overwhelming rage inside you tempts you to strike back. You dont strike back knowing that God will reward you (in this life at some point in time) with the holy spirit [health, wealth and sociability] I am not a troll I have just been thinking that some concepts taught in the natural sciences have been metaphorically aluded to in the bible for centuries before !
 
We are humans, both rational and emotional. Emotions are not a defect - they help give impulse to our actions.

Experiencing emotions can be virtuous. The virtuous man feels anger when he oughts to and feels joy when he oughts to.

We’re not Vulcans. St. Francis was a very emotional saint. God gave us our emotions in addition to everything else we have. Emotions can therefore be an aid to the spiritual life and our efforts to achieve sanctity.
 
Fair point Red,

But the puzzle with christianity is the subjectivity of when is the right time to be angry and when is it a wrong time to be angry. Well meaning People’s ideas of holiness and virtuousness differ
 
ThroneofVirtue said:
Hello Dear Friends

22 years old

This is a genuine query

To people familiar with Einsteinian and Hawksian concepts

Can emotional thoughts and actions (which are according to the bible sinful) stimulate propagative chaos and suffering (less health, wealth and sociability) ?

Health, wealth and sociability (E=MC^2)

I have tried to live an unemotional life, but my suffering as only increased
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What do Einstein and Hawkins have to do with thought processes and emotion? I am unsure of the connection you have drawn. They were physicists, not psychologists.

As has been said, emotions are part of who we are. The question is whether they are ordered properly. Our emotions are what drive us to a, and wirhout them you do nothing. How do your emotions drive you? Do they make you respond in ways you don’t like? Do you do things you don’t like? That is the question when it comes to emotion.
 
ThroneofVirtue said:
But what if they do. Why does the bible say, in both the new and old testament, that anger, lust etc is sinful and that any man who does not forgive his brother will get punished. Jesus asks us to follow him, assuming he is all knowing and all present he would know that in this day and age of rapid technological integration between humans and technology that this will be difficult. I believe that the cross’, is the effort that you make to forgive someone who strikes you even though the overwhelming rage inside you tempts you to strike back. You dont strike back knowing that God will reward you (in this life at some point in time) with the holy spirit [health, wealth and sociability] I am not a troll I have just been thinking that some concepts taught in the natural sciences have been metaphorically aluded to in the bible for centuries before !
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It also says “be angry and do not sin.”
 
These ideas came to me one day when I was walking home from college (i was 17) here in the UK. I did not play video games, had a small circle of friends but was very reserved, didnt play much sports. I am from a middle class family, my mother is very religious but the rest of my family are ‘neutral’ christian catholics. I have never talked to anyone about this for 3 and a half years. I understand all your points, its what i have been taught all my life and at several catholic schools. Needless to say before this epiphany i had problems most promising teenagers have a ‘boring’ life youthfull exuberance, frequent masturbating etc you know warts and all. I did do well in school but as soon as I started living like a vulcan i stopped studying (still got decent grades thankfully Bs and a C). I became more reserved, and started living a fearless life. I learned new things and also saw a very dark side to humanity, even the most gentle people harbour the nastiest traits (this applies to christians)
 
I am still in university, I have stopped this vulcan interpretation or heresy. I credit myself with attempting to explore a rationalist accomodation of modern scientific concepts, i dont think anyone has ever done anything like this before. I do however still suffer from lonliness and the thing that puzzles me is that my cognitive functions reduced significantly during this naive phase. I guess it may explain why I am studying at this fourth rate secularist university in Wales. Still it is good to learn how to live alone at this age and learn from mistakes
 
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I am still in university, I have stopped this vulcan interpretation or heresy. I credit myself with attempting to explore a rationalist accomodation of modern scientific concepts, i dont think anyone has ever done anything like this before. I do however still suffer from lonliness and the thing that puzzles me is that my cognitive functions reduced significantly during this naive phase. I guess it may explain why I am studying at this fourth rate secularist university in Wales. Still it is good to learn how to live alone at this age and learn from mistakes
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You need to find people to talk to. Join a club or something. The worst thing for someone is to become separated and disconnected from other people. You will learn through practice when the proper time to be angry is.

Passion is a good thing. It driveit us to work hard and to work despite distractions. Without it our minds will only waste away.
 
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But what if they do. Why does the bible say, in both the new and old testament, that anger
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Ephesians 4:26 Be angry, and do not sin; let not the sun set upon your wrath,

You are not sinning by being angry. I would guess that it is a sin if you hate or wish evil upon someone while angry.

Also, desire for the opposite sex is not sinful. Lust is selfish. Love is selfless.
 
I thank you for all your patience and willingness to ponder about my troubles; god bless you all

To answer the question of the connection between hawking and Einstein’s equations:
if there are any Roman Catholic you know of on this forum who understand the deep philosophical implications of new testament teachings let me know, these ideas of what it means to be a Christian and on what constitutes the human soul excite me but they also oppress my own soul when I am met with mockery and/or failure in other aspects of my life. Such as my studies hence the title of this thread, I am psychologically oppressed to the point where I fear for my own mental health despite that fact that most people I meet in my life regard me as being highly intelligent, I am not assuming they say so themselves and I don’t go out of my way to look like a nerd or a know it all. I will write about this in extensive drips and drabs depending on the responses I get. Not to sound arrogant but It brings to mind myths of old prophets who lose their minds when they see the mind of the Lord.
God help me…

I am 22 now; I was 17 then a slightly peculiar but otherwise normal teenager with no history of any major mental defects these ideas formed. I am not sure if boredom drives people, especially teenagers, into thinking wild thoughts that may have the appearance to the thinker of ingenuity. I didn’t play video games, watched a lot of tv at the weekends and holidays like every other teenager, studied to my best ability, like reading etc . I wasn’t popular but was widely liked amongst the hundreds of students in my school year so no bullying etc. I guess it is worth mentioning I have an overly religious mother who thinks I am going through some rebellious period, which I find insulting as I think I am too enlightened for something like that.

I don’t have the time or the courage to find a local priest to talk to about this face to face. I have tried a couple of secular clinical councillors who didn’t evidently tackle the heart of the issue. My doctor says physically there is nothing unusual about me after analysing the results of my blood tests and asked me to seek councilling (rolls eyes) -_-……
Please try to be objective and feel free to call my thoughts balogney if your guts tell you to
 
I will update tomorrow, its midnight here in Wales and I have work to do
 
Do you go through sever up and down phases? If so, it might be bipolar. Maybe seeing a councilor would be a good thing. Even if there is nothing wrong, it can help sort through any issues your having. It could be causing you to think too much about the intricacies and eccentricities of your faith. Hence, connecting Einsteins and Hawkins’s theories with the human soul.
 
How could this bipolar disorder just happen to me at such a crucial time in my life at such a young age, how could god do this to me. Bipolar disorder? I feel sick I feel sick to my stomach.

Praying has made get my mind back, there is no point talking to my family, it took them 17 years to do something about my gall stones and they work in the medical professions, they shouldnt be employed in my opinion. It also bothers me that no one has recognised this potential illness, im surrounded by worthless simpletons i hate them all.

I will continue praying till jesus comes back to me he has abandoned me long enough.

Talking to family and councillors is too much time, effort and work it has yielded no results and I have lost faith in them

I have to keep praying, I will not be beaten
 
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How could this bipolar disorder just happen to me at such a crucial time in my life at such a young age, how could god do this to me. Bipolar disorder? I feel sick I feel sick to my stomach.

Praying has made get my mind back, there is no point talking to my family, it took them 17 years to do something about my gall stones and they work in the medical professions, they shouldnt be employed in my opinion. It also bothers me that no one has recognised this potential illness, im surrounded by worthless simpletons i hate them all.

I will continue praying till jesus comes back to me he has abandoned me long enough.

Talking to family and councillors is too much time, effort and work it has yielded no results and I have lost faith in them

I have to keep praying, I will not be beaten
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Keep praying, keep working, and dont give up on people. Don’t take my word for it. Talk to some one, maybe a councilor. I don’t know what problem you have, if any. You might be perfectly healthy. But you don’t need a diagnosis for a councilor to be helpful. The main job of a council is to be someone you can trust, someone you can talk to freely.

We all have issues; mental and spiritual. We have to work through them. They can be difficult, but we can get through it.
 
A.M.D.G (For the greater gloy of God)

I have taken your advice and sought counselling with my university. I have also contacted Fr Vincent Serpa through private messages and am waiting for his reply regarding my trouble. For the moment I keep praying.
Every now and then I keep seeing this image of stardust and light in my mind,

I make a sign of the cross for spirirtual assistance and I can function and think normally.

I have read many articles on mental health, although I am not rushing to conclusions Bi polar disorder is matching many of the symptoms I have experienced and I am thinking about what help I can get to explain my sub par academic performance using an official diagnosis

I continue to seek help

God Bless
 
Jesus is our thought coach, not our thought police.

When he says not to be angry with your brother, He’s saying IMO that killing and harboring anger against a brother stimulate the same patterns in the brain, and essentially give the same spiritual experience.

Of course, the anger does not have the temporal effects that actual murder would, but both of them are ways to sin against “do not kill.”

Jesus isn’t telling us, "you thought it was bad to avoid sin before, now I’m telling you even your thoughts are evil. Bwahahaha.

No, I take it more as if He’s telling us, “when you accuse someone else of murder, do you harbor murderous thoughts in your own heart? Then you are in no better condition than a murderer.” So essentially both have sinned against God. So keep that in mind when we think we are better than someone else just because we’ve resisted acting out on our sinful thoughts. A constant theme of Jesus, is not to rate ourselves against each other by what kinds of sins we’ve committed … we are all in the same boat, so to speak.

It’s like when Jesus was asked whether the adulterous woman should be stoned in accordance with the law. He knew that each and every person standing there with a rock, had evil thoughts going through their minds. And once they realized that they have all sinned, having been firmly convicted by Jesus’s direct statement, “who is without sin,” they all realize they were no better than the woman at all. They are all guilty, and Jesus died for all of them so they wouldn’t have to die for their sins.

Alan
 
I now think that I should have kept my education in science completely separate from my catholic faith. I may have offended God, somehow i think that is why I have suffered so much

Verse 29 in Mark 3 states that there is one sin considered “eternal” and that is “blasphemy against the Holy Spirit”

Mark 3:28-30: "Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven all their sins and all the blasphemies they utter. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, ‘He has an evil spirit
 
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