Students at altar during consecration

[JDeL]

Would having the entire school(all students and teachers) in the sanctuary(many of them literally touching the altar) during consecration at an all-school Mass be permissible via GIRM? I have heard of some loopholes for children’s masses??

There was just an article printed in the church paper about how “beautiful” this was. Other liturgical abuses have been already reported to the bishop with no major action being taken. Any ideas on approaching a decidedly heterodox pastor when reporting to the bishop has not been successful. Documents? I am more or less in this alone with regard to others(administrators/teachers etc.) at the parish/school.

Thanks,

JD

 

[Traditional_Ang]

JDeL:

Would having the entire school(all students and teachers) in the sanctuary(many of them literally touching the altar) during consecration at an all-school Mass be permissible via GIRM? I have heard of some loopholes for children’s masses??

There was just an article printed in the church paper about how “beautiful” this was. Other liturgical abuses have been already reported to the bishop with no major action being taken. Any ideas on approaching a decidedly heterodox pastor when reporting to the bishop has not been successful. Documents? I am more or less in this alone with regard to others(administrators/teachers etc.) at the parish/school.

Thanks,

JD

JD:

Before doing any of the below, find a priest you trust and spend some time in prayer.

Get a friend to photograph and video EVERYTHING and then DOCUMENT precisely what is being done, when, were and who exactly is involved. Burn this on at least two or three CD’s and update them regularly. This will be the evidence. You are going to need to be specific!

Take one of the discs to the Bishop and let him see what is going on at the school - Supply him with a copy of the documentation so that he can see that you are serious about this. Give him a week or two. If he fails to act or refuses to see you, do the following after informing him and his office…

Find someone who knows how to make a WEBSITE. Post the info on the WEB and link to it from here and elsewhere. Post regular “Progress Reports” and report what you write and what the Bishop says to you in response.

Find the appropriate person to send this information to in the Vatican and send it to him with written statements from friends supporting your contentions of you can get them.

Please remember, you have to be courteous and polite - NO Name Calling or insinuations - just the facts.

Pray…

I hope this helps.

In Christ, Michael

 

[bear06]

JDeL:

Would having the entire school(all students and teachers) in the sanctuary(many of them literally touching the altar) during consecration at an all-school Mass be permissible via GIRM? I have heard of some loopholes for children’s masses??

There was just an article printed in the church paper about how “beautiful” this was. Other liturgical abuses have been already reported to the bishop with no major action being taken. Any ideas on approaching a decidedly heterodox pastor when reporting to the bishop has not been successful. Documents? I am more or less in this alone with regard to others(administrators/teachers etc.) at the parish/school.

Thanks,

JD

Ask them to produce the documents containing the loopholes for a childrens Mass.

If you launch a website, which I wholehearedly agree with if you have rampant abuses in the diocese which the bishop won’t address, make sure you run it by the chancery and ask them to point out any mistakes before you launch it to the general public. Also, make sure that on each and every incidence you list on the site that you make sure you have gone to the priests and bishops first. Basically, don’t blindside them.

 

[Fidei_Defensor]

It is clear from the Congregation from Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments that the presence of laypersons in the sanctuary or *presbyterium *is not permissible. The following is from an official query/response session from the Congregation and which was published in Notitiae 17 (1981) 61, in the official publication of the Congregation.

QUERY: At the presentation of gifts at a Mass with congregation, persons (lay or religious) bring to the altar the bread and wine which are to be consecrated. These gifts are received by the priest celebrant. All those participating in the Mass accompany this group procession in which the gifts are brought forward. They then stand around the altar until communion time. Is this procedure in conformity with the spirit of the law and of the Roman Missal?

REPLY: Assuredly, the Eucharistic celebration is the act of the entire community, carried out by all the members of the liturgical assembly. Nevertheless, everyone must have and also must observe his or her own place and proper role: “In liturgical celebrations each one, minister or layperson, who has an office to perform, should do all of, but only, those parts which pertain to that office by the nature of the rite and the principles of liturgy.” (SC art. 29).

During the liturgy of the eucharist, only the presiding celebrant remains at the altar. The assembly of the faithful take their place in the Church outside the presbyterium, which is reserved for the celebrant or concelebrants and altar ministers.

 

[wannabee]

putting it in basic terms

IT AIN"T ALLOWED !

LifeTeen parishes have already been told to stoop this practice - ergo - if it continues take it to the Bishop