Students try to banish Catholic chaplain from campus for anti-gay stance

[seakelp]

Are we talking about a dance? No, one does not learn moral correctness by others enabling one’s distorted values or desires.

Sorry, let me clarify - I was under the impression we’re talking about expelling children, not about the prom. The prom thing is different.

 

[PetrusRomanus]

Kicking a kid out of a CATHOLIC school where he or she can learn CATHOLIC values when they most need them is different.

You, like others before you, miss the point of Catholic education. Like Christ, Catholic schools do not accept (or keep) people based on how righteous they are. They are there to try and help people come to God.

Who better to teach God’s ways than those that are most in danger of leading lives of persistent sinfulness?

If the person openly defies the policy, I dont see their getting kicked out unreasonable. Furthermore, id be curious to know why theyd want to go to a school they dont like or agree with.

Secondly, causing scandal to the other children is a big deal.

Thirdly, if this person attended Mass theyd still be receiving their Catholic teaching. It doesnt and shouldn’t end with the school.

 

[fix]

Would the principal or pastor overseeing a Catholic school be wrong to remove or not enroll a student who was an open, practicing thief, drug user, parent beater, Euchasist desecrator, porn distributor?

How about this? The kids want money from the school to buy porn magazines. This new logic says give them the money because otherwise they see you as a hater of the human body.

 

[90Domer]

news.yahoo.com/students-try-banish-catholic-chaplain-campus-anti-gay-122022298.html

The very nerve of a priest counseling people who come to him about their homosexual acts being told chastity the answer. Plus, he’s anti-abortion. The horror, the horror!

Gosh, this seeking of “tolerance” by these students remind me of the load of horse manure my in-laws tried selling us after learning one of their offspring was SSA. The horror that we would not affirm his identity as expressed through his sexuality.

Sorry, but this needs to be preached over and over again from the pulpit.

 

[seakelp]

If the person openly defies the policy, I dont see their getting kicked out unreasonable. Furthermore, id be curious to know why theyd want to go to a school they dont like or agree with.

Being a sinner does not mean you disagree with our faith. As you, a sinner, should know well.

Secondly, causing scandal to the other children is a big deal.

That can easily be managed with understanding and compassion.

Thirdly, if this person attended Mass theyd still be receiving their Catholic teaching. It doesnt and shouldn’t end with the school.

I know many Catholic parents, including my own, who believe the depth and richness of the Catholic faith is augmented by a Catholic education. I never said “it” “ends” with Catholic education. But you’d be a fool to think that a young Catholic’s faith isn’t given great strength through a Catholic education - and who better to receive that spiritual boost than those who may be most tempted by sinfulness?

 

[fix]

Sorry, let me clarify - I was under the impression we’re talking about expelling children, not about the prom. The prom thing is different.

I do not know about the incident?

 

[seakelp]

I do not know about the incident?

One poster early on the first page stated that a bishop expelled a gay student was expelled from a Catholic high school in the poster’s diocese.

 

[90Domer]

That was my first read, too, but I think the original comment explicitly said ‘prom’…

However, it’s not just ‘sin’ but the ‘near occasion of sin’. I would think it is reasonable to assert that attending the prom as a romantic couple is a near occasion of sin, which may lead to sexual sin. So, it would be responsible for the school to not permit them to attend as a couple.

Also, it creates scandal. Are you talking about McQuaid HS in Rochester, NY?

 

[seakelp]

Also, it creates scandal.

What, exactly, is scandal?

 

[PetrusRomanus]

Being a sinner does not mean you disagree with our faith. As you, a sinner, should know well.

That can easily be managed with understanding and compassion.
Kk

I know many Catholic parents, including my own, who believe the depth and richness of the Catholic faith is augmented by a Catholic education. I never said “it” “ends” with Catholic education. But you’d be a fool to think that a young Catholic’s faith isn’t given great strength through a Catholic education - and who better to receive that spiritual boost than those who may be most tempted by sinfulness?

Choosing to live in sin is different than just being a sinner whos trying to improve. Choosing to live in sin and being open or proud about that, is essentially disagreeing with what it means to improve and shows.no intention of doing so.

 

[markeverett49]

Uh, no. First, it is not clear that anyone was expelled from a school for being homosexual. (Unless the student was caught in a sexual act, which would be grounds for expulsion of heterosexual students too.)

Second, people are responsible for their own sins.

Third, being expelled from a Catholic school does not amount to excommunication from the Church!

 

[seakelp]

Choosing to live in sin is different than just being a sinner whos trying to improve. Choosing to live in sin and being open or proud about that, is essentially disagreeing with what it means to improve and shows.no intention of doing so.

You and I choose to live in sin every day. Everyone here does. Every person.

And we all try to be less sinful - and we try because our parents, our teachers, and our friends taught us to love God. But kids aren’t going to magically learn that after you kick them out of a Catholic school!

That’s what I seriously don’t get about everyone who thinks we should exclude a particular kind or type of sinner. We all sin, each one of us. Each of us persists in our sinfulness. How am I any better or more deserving of the love of God or the care of the community than a person who engages in homosexual acts?

I’m not! Neither are you. And we should do our best to help those who need our help the most!

 

[fix]

What, exactly, is scandal?

It leads others to stumble. Homosexual “dating” is contrary to the moral law.

 

[90Domer]

Hardly a synonymous claim. It’s too bad these students didn’t attend the Jesuit High School where the Priest allowed a gay couple to attend, saying all our brothers our welcome. Quite a different message and the loving message of Christ that sends.

Loving message? It’s sending a message of scandal. That priest should be fired for his allowing those students to attend, given that their wanting to attend was agenda based and backed by ardent SSA apologists. What is it about Jesuit learning institutions that they are so darn dissident?

 

[seakelp]

Uh, no. First, it is not clear that anyone was expelled from a school for being homosexual. (Unless the student was caught in a sexual act, which would be grounds for expulsion of heterosexual students too.)

Fair enough. But hypothetically, just for fun conversation, would you agree with a decision to expel such a student?

Second, people are responsible for their own sins.

Totally agree.

Third, being expelled from a Catholic school does not amount to excommunication from the Church!

For some, I’m sure it may as well. Gay students who are kicked out of their Catholic schools are more likely to be embittered and spiteful towards their faith than anything else. And you think that’s a good thing?

 

[seakelp]

It leads others to stumble. Homosexual “dating” is contrary to the moral law.

What, exactly, is it? By your definition a billion different things could be “scandal.”

 

[PetrusRomanus]

You and I choose to live in sin every day. Everyone here does. Every person.

And we all try to be less sinful - and we try because our parents, our teachers, and our friends taught us to love God. But kids aren’t going to magically learn that after you kick them out of a Catholic school!

That’s what I seriously don’t get about everyone who thinks we should exclude a particular kind or type of sinner. We all sin, each one of us. Each of us persists in our sinfulness. How am I any better or more deserving of the love of God or the care of the community than a person who engages in homosexual acts?

I’m not! Neither are you. And we should do our best to help those who need our help the most!

Key phrase is trying to be less sinful.

When you choose to live a lifestyle of sin you are.not even trying to be less sinful, instead one is openly embracing sin.

 

[fix]

2284 Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.

2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized. It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea."86 Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing.87

2286 Scandal can be provoked by laws or institutions, by fashion or opinion.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

Dakota, there is no closet.

I dont make known to all and “come out” everytime im tempted to steal.

Being openly gay means living the lifestyle of a gay person which signifies living in sin. Therefore it is contradictory to live the gay lifestyle and claim to be in a state of grace, much like people who divorce and remarry arent allowed to receive the Eucharist.

They may receive the Eucharisg if they change their lives, however.

You might have something resembling a valid point if you were trying to equate homosexuality and kleptomania, but you aren’t and don’t.

Being out means not in the closet. Any lifestyle a gay person leads is a “gay lifestyle”, even Joshua Weed.

 

[markeverett49]

You and I choose to live in sin every day. Everyone here does. Every person.

And we all try to be less sinful - and we try because our parents, our teachers, and our friends taught us to love God. But kids aren’t going to magically learn that after you kick them out of a Catholic school!

That’s what I seriously don’t get about everyone who thinks we should exclude a particular kind or type of sinner. We all sin, each one of us. Each of us persists in our sinfulness. How am I any better or more deserving of the love of God or the care of the community than a person who engages in homosexual acts?

I’m not! Neither are you. And we should do our best to help those who need our help the most!

This is so ill-thought out! First, we do NOT all “live in sin.” “Living in sin” means to persist in it, to have no desire to change. That may be true of you—I wouldn’t know—but it isn’t of me.
Again, expulsion from school is not excommunication from the Church.
Finally, no one is trying to exclude homosexual persons from Church. The rub is that many of them want the Church to bend its teaching to their wills, which demonstrates great vanity and serious error. It is not just homosexual sex acts that homosexuals are wrong about. Many homosexual persons are devout and enthusiastic members of the Church. They sin and repent as others do and we all move along together. But when people DENY that a serious sin at all but say instead that the Church must repent from its erroneous teaching, that tears the fabric of the faith that clothes us all. (Homosexual persons are not the only ones who do this: supporters of abortion, artificial contraception, and fornication are also misguidedly trying to re-make the Church in their distorted image. The Church welcomes sinners but is wary of those who deny they are!