Study confirmed as valid: Homosexual unions are bad for kids

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French_Catholic said:
Here’s the article:
citizenlink.com/2012/08/30/university-vindicates-mark-regnerus/

Since the media won’t report the truth, we’re going to have to spread the word ourselves 🤷

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Your title is a bit misleading. Regnerus has been cleared of the charge of academic misconduct. That doesn’t mean he’s right, just that he didn’t use dishonest/unprofessional methods in reaching his conclusions. His conclusions remain open to scholarly debate, since they go against the conclusions of some other scholars. That’s how scholarly inquiry works.

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I’m glad the scholarly reputation of Regenrus has been robustly defended against charges that turned out to be baseless. I hope this brings more attention to his research. To that end, this to-do enhances his reputation for honesty and openness.
 
DaddyGirl said:
I don’t know if I’d trust this guy, I checked his site and other articles/studies he’s written…I think his study might be very, very biased.

But if those facts are indeed true regarding same sex/different sex parents…I’m going to guess that it’s still better to have same-sex parents rather than NO parents at all.
So kids who are adopted by same-sex couples are still probably way better off than those growing up completely alone or on the street or in a children’s home or foster home, etc, etc…
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I would like to note that this study isn’t about same sex parenting, but about parents who have engaged in sexual relations with the same sex, this includes affairs and I wouldn’t be surprised if this actually included more affairs than same sex unions which would result in the results being in the rather negative (adultery tends to have very negative consequences for the children regardless of if the parent is cheating with the same or opposite sex.
 
Let’s be clear here the study only has a few people who grew up in stable same-sex unions. Why? Because this is a pretty new thing. A great majority of the Gay and Lesbian parents in this study came out after they were married.

The only viable cohort in this study would be to compare the results to other families where there hve been through divorce and cheating. There a simply not enough intact homosexual couples in the study to make any real conclusions now. That will probably take a decade or more from now.
 
PJH_74 said:
Let’s be clear here the study only has a few people who grew up in stable same-sex unions. Why? Because this is a pretty new thing. A great majority of the Gay and Lesbian parents in this study came out after they were married.

The only viable cohort in this study would be to compare the results to other families where there hve been through divorce and cheating. There a simply not enough intact homosexual couples in the study to make any real conclusions now. That will probably take a decade or more from now.
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yeah,experimenting with kids is always a win-win.
 
DaddyGirl said:
…I’m going to guess that it’s still better to have same-sex parents rather than NO parents at all.
So kids who are adopted by same-sex couples are still probably way better off than those growing up completely alone or on the street or in a children’s home or foster home, etc, etc…
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This is not the reality of the situation.

According to the 1988 National Survey of Family Growth there are an estimated 3.3 adoption seekers for every actual adoption.

And since 1973 the percentages of Families wanting to Adopt has been increasing.

What the true end result is, is that every child placed in a same-sex household is not being placed in a home with both a mother and father.
 
Someone may have already pointed this out, but the title of this thread is misleading - the investigation by UT did not find that Regnerus’s study was valid.

However, it’s unfortunate that UT had to investigate Professor Regnerus at all. It’s clear that Scott Rose has an agenda, and is relying on McCarthyite tactics to silence anyone who doesn’t subscribe to the “no difference” paradigm (i.e., that children raised by same-sex couples show no disadvantages when compared to other children). While UT found no academic misconduct, these types of inquiries – along with the soon-to-be released audit by Social Science Research, and the charges by Scott Rose – have a chilling effect on academic freedom.
 
DaddyGirl said:
I don’t know if I’d trust this guy, I checked his site and other articles/studies he’s written…I think his study might be very, very biased.

But if those facts are indeed true regarding same sex/different sex parents…I’m going to guess that it’s still better to have same-sex parents rather than NO parents at all.
So kids who are adopted by same-sex couples are still probably way better off than those growing up completely alone or on the street or in a children’s home or foster home, etc, etc…
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Which is the charge that he has been cleared of. Whatever his own opinions and beliefs he conducted this study in an honest and professional manner, ie, he didn’t skew the survey because of his beliefs to try and come up with a result that matches his beliefs, so, because of that, his beliefs on his website shouldn’t cause you to doubt his study. That being said, it is true that his study doesn’t compare intact same-sex families to intact heterosexual families, which is of course going to skew the results, but it was the best he had to work with. 🤷
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
I would like to note that this study isn’t about same sex parenting, but about parents who have engaged in sexual relations with the same sex, this includes affairs and I wouldn’t be surprised if this actually included more affairs than same sex unions which would result in the results being in the rather negative (adultery tends to have very negative consequences for the children regardless of if the parent is cheating with the same or opposite sex.
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And I would add that Regnerus does not claim his study is about same-sex parenting. The title of his article is, “How different are the adult children of parents who have same-sex relationships? Findings from the New Family Structures Study.”
 
French_Catholic said:
Here’s the article:
citizenlink.com/2012/08/30/university-vindicates-mark-regnerus/

Since the media won’t report the truth, we’re going to have to spread the word ourselves 🤷

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The study was not “confirmed as valid,” the researcher was exonerated of accusations of misconduct.

The do scientific confirmation, the study has to be replicable with results that are the same, within the statistical error limits. Until the replicated studies are done, no one is “validating” or “debunking” or doing any other thing to the study.

The phenomenon of same-sex parents is quite new to our culture, and previously existed on the fringe and so, there are more explanations than same sex for the results. A repeated study when the present generation of children have reached adulthood will need to be done before a reasonable sample size will have been examined that includes persons from a wider range of social and cultural strata.
 
Julia_Mae said:
The do scientific confirmation, the study has to be replicable with results that are the same, within the statistical error limits. Until the replicated studies are done, no one is “validating” or “debunking” or doing any other thing to the study.

The phenomenon of same-sex parents is quite new to our culture, and previously existed on the fringe and so, there are more explanations than same sex for the results. A repeated study when the present generation of children have reached adulthood will need to be done before a reasonable sample size will have been examined that includes persons from a wider range of social and cultural strata.
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What’s interesting is that the issue of sample bias only came to the forefront of academia after Regnerus’s study. Where was the concern for adequate and representative sample sizes when the APA proclaimed, in 2005, that “[n]ot a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents.” Was it responsible for the APA to make this claim given the insufficient data?

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stewstew03 said:
What’s interesting is that the issue of sample bias only came to the forefront of academia after Regnerus’s study. Where was the concern for adequate and representative sample sizes when the APA proclaimed, in 2005, that “[n]ot a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents.” Was it responsible for the APA to make this claim given the insufficient data?

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The APA’s statement was actually correct, it just didn’t tell the whole story. They could also have said that not a single study demonstrated that children raised by such couples were just as healthy as those raised by heterosexuals.

Peace and God bless!
 
Ghosty said:
The APA’s statement was actually correct, it just didn’t tell the whole story. They could also have said that not a single study demonstrated that children raised by such couples were just as healthy as those raised by heterosexuals.
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This is precisely my point.
 
French_Catholic said:
Here’s the article:
citizenlink.com/2012/08/30/university-vindicates-mark-regnerus/

Since the media won’t report the truth, we’re going to have to spread the word ourselves 🤷

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“Glenn Stanton, Focus on the Family’s director of Family Formation Studies, pointed out that Regnerus went to great lengths to make sure his study was well-designed and executed, including soliciting (name removed by moderator)ut from other sociologists with whom he has ideological differences.”

Wow…this really proves that this study was legit. You know, it isn’t like focus on the family is biased or anything.
 
interestedman said:
“Glenn Stanton, Focus on the Family’s director of Family Formation Studies, pointed out that Regnerus went to great lengths to make sure his study was well-designed and executed, including soliciting (name removed by moderator)ut from other sociologists with whom he has ideological differences.”

Wow…this really proves that this study was legit. You know, it isn’t like focus on the family is biased or anything.
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Is the Univ of Texas, you know, biased as well since they, you know, found “no evidence was provided to indicate that the behavior at issue rose to a level of scientific misconduct…?”
 
stewstew03 said:
Is the Univ of Texas, you know, biased as well since they, you know, found “no evidence was provided to indicate that the behavior at issue rose to a level of scientific misconduct…?”
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That doesn’t mean the study isn’t complete garbage. I haven’t looked at the study myself but just because the behavior didn’t rise to the level of scientific misconduct it doesn’t mean it is legit.
 
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