Study finds no 'gay gene' - What that means for Catholic morality
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IdaCatholic
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It wouldnt change the morality of anything no matter what the result is. They could find a polygamy gene or a gene that makes you susceptible to sirens and mermaids, you still have to act in a holy manner.
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Rockoh22
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Catholic morality is steady. What this means? Trouble for those who push the agenda without scientific proof. The article state that they find more mental and environmental issues related to why people become LGBTQ. Although they do not specify the reason as to why. I think this will be the next step for scientist. Study the environmental and mental issues.
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tvknight415
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I suspect that the answer is partly due to some trauma or sexually abnormal experiences at a vulnerable age. Children who have been victims of a pedophile are many times more likely to become one themselves, than someone not so abused. Young people who end up in unhealthy relationships early in life generally repeat the pattern. It’s part of the reason we have statutory rape laws. I think part of it is also rebellion against societal norms.
Sadly, with the positive promotion and encouragement of it at a young age, we’re only fueling the problem for future generations.
Sadly, with the positive promotion and encouragement of it at a young age, we’re only fueling the problem for future generations.
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pnewton
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The title misrepresents the finding. The actual finding was that there was no singular genetic marker. That does not mean there cannot be a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, or any other sin. Also, the fact that this study did not find a singular genetic marker does not mean other studies might reveal more about the affect of biology on homosexuality. Here is the science article.
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Thorolfr
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Unfortunately, there’s a lot of sloppy writing out there when it comes to science. As might be expected, LifesiteNews is one of the worst:
The author of this piece, Fr. Paul Sullin, conveniently fails to mention the fact that influences can be environmental and still have nothing to do with upbringing, friends, neighborhood, etc… They can happen before birth in the mother’s womb. A good example of this is the “fraternal birth order effect.”
He also implies that, contrary to what “gay activists” claim, homosexuality is “a matter of who persons choose to become,” not “who they already are.” But if someone’s homosexuality is due at least in part to events that happened in the womb, that’s obviously not something that was chosen and is a part of who they already are at birth.
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Thorolfr
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And here’s some more sloppy scientific writing from the piece in LifeSiteNews:
Just because there is no “one or two strong [genetic] sources” for homosexuality that doesn’t mean that genetic influences are not important or that gay people have a genome that is not distinct in any way from that of people who aren’t gay. Using another example that I know a lot about, genome wide scans have found various genes that appear to be associated with ADHD, but according to one study, “yet even these associations are small and consistent with the idea that the genetic vulnerability to ADHD is mediated by many genes of small effect.” Nevertheless, ADHD has been shown to be a highly heritable disorder and tends to run in families. If someone has a parent or grandparent or sibling or child or other close relative with ADHD, their own chances of having it are much higher. It’s fairly common for a child to be diagnosed with ADHD at school and then for a parent to realize that they have it too. And like the “fraternal birth order effect,” we know that this is not something that has to do with the family someone is raised in since adopted children with a birth parent or other close family member with ADHD are also much more likely to have ADHD whereas other children in their adopted family are not. Even though ADHD is only linked to “many genes of small effect,” considering how much difficulty this disorder has caused me, it’s difficult for me to think of people with ADHD having “a perfectly normal human genome” or one that is not distinct “from all other human beings in any meaningful sense.”
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Rockoh22
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It is wonderful some of you are calling our life site news for bad reporting. However the article is from Catholic News Agency. Why bring lifesite?
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Thorolfr
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The LifeSite article is much worse, but even the one in CNA doesn’t really do anything to clarify that environmental influences can include things that happen in the womb before birth. I also don’t know how this conclusion could be reached from the study in Science:
That looks to me more like someone finding something in the study to support their position that isn’t there.
I just find it interesting how people take scientific studies and spin them to support their position, and in doing this, they cherry pick the results of the studies. And, of course, both sides do this.
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Rockoh22
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I take it you are a scientist.
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MamaJewel
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We are at the very beginning of our journey for the quest of understanding human thought, behavior, coding DNA, non-coding DNA, etc.
Homosexuality might not be part of an individual’s DNA code, it very well could be the result of placental function and embryonic brain development. Or it could be an environmental factor that affects neurotransmitter function in the human brain. Or even another function…the more we learn, the less we know.
Homosexuality might not be part of an individual’s DNA code, it very well could be the result of placental function and embryonic brain development. Or it could be an environmental factor that affects neurotransmitter function in the human brain. Or even another function…the more we learn, the less we know.
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Rockoh22
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I understand that. Not saying it is not true, however, in reality is not true. Science has not proven this.
I believe it has more to do with the way they where raised. Many factors point to mental problems. However any sign of physiological testing is not only frown upon, it is called abusive. What is wrong with getting a whole bunch of psychologist and have them look deep in to the person past, look at the problems they have with their family, and then come up with results? How many where abused? There are so many answers that they can really answer, but if they look in to it, they get labeled hateful.
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“it very well could be the result of placental function and embryonic brain development”
That could also explain why some are pedophiles, or why some are physical abusers, or polygamist.
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Donkey
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I have observed a correlation between finger length and homosexuality. I think much has to do with hormones. My feeling is that environment, environment in embryonic development and now culture norms reset sexuality.
Homosexuality seems to be more a by-product rather than something original. Origin or originality is what some poor people want but will not find in genetic code.
Homosexuality seems to be more a by-product rather than something original. Origin or originality is what some poor people want but will not find in genetic code.
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ZMystiCat
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There is something called the Digit ratio, and various studies have found it correlating to certain traits, including LGBT ones. That said, my ratio is pretty obviously high (being > 1), and I definitely don’t fit all those traits.
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MamaJewel
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Literally, we don’t know what exactly causes humans to behave the way they do, but researchers are beginning to hypothesize that the environment in the womb does play a significant role in a person’s thinking processes.
We realize that the tiny human being in utero is no bigger than a grain of rice when the neuro-gastro- and endocrine systems develop. In many ways, we are most human as developing embryos when the human DNA code and non-coding supports are structuring who we are.
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Rockoh22
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I agree. I am not arguing that it is not a possibility. My only point is that there is no proof, therefor as of today, they are gay by environmental factors. That one we know to be a fact of it. For many years people said that there was a gay gene, and we simply had not found it. Well, there is no gay gene. SO we move to the next possibility. Great. They need proof that they are born this way, and it is not their fault.
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MamaJewel
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I would think they are born that way. I don’t recall ever making a choice to be queer or straight. I was straight because that was my attraction. I think attractions run across a spectrum.
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Rockoh22
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I am not sure they are born that way. Didn’t a scientist took twins and raised one gay? You can definitely make someone gay, for it is even in the results of the gay gene study.
Are some born that way? Perhaps, I believe those who may be born that way, may be a tiny percent if any.
There is a drag child who is quite famous and goes around adults acting as a stripper and they throw money at the boy. How did it began? His moms watched a lot of Rue Paul. The child decided to be like Rue Paul.
I can only imagine if the mother watched EWTN perhaps the child would have wanted to be a priest.
Are some born that way? Perhaps, I believe those who may be born that way, may be a tiny percent if any.
There is a drag child who is quite famous and goes around adults acting as a stripper and they throw money at the boy. How did it began? His moms watched a lot of Rue Paul. The child decided to be like Rue Paul.
I can only imagine if the mother watched EWTN perhaps the child would have wanted to be a priest.
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TheHolyTrinity
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It doesn’t discuss epigenetics marks, normal genes but different expression. This could alter hormones etc. I used to walk home from high school with a guy who was extremely feminine in behavior and his physical features. As an adult he crossed dressed as a female, this is where he felt most comfortable and happy.
Though I do believe for some homosexual/bi-sexual behaviors can be influenced by experiences and environment. I do feel that there are some where epigenectics may play a part.
There is so much unknowns in science around genetics, as I have a close friend with a duplication on a particular gene that was considered through genetic counseling that they should not be concerned. This person had a very difficult time learning in school. I offered to do research on those genes and found that one particular gene communicated with 35 other genes. One of those 35 genes linked to well studied and well known learning disorder that my friend has been diagnosed with.
I gave my friend a couple of questions to ask the geneticist over the phone on loud speaker:
Though I do believe for some homosexual/bi-sexual behaviors can be influenced by experiences and environment. I do feel that there are some where epigenectics may play a part.
There is so much unknowns in science around genetics, as I have a close friend with a duplication on a particular gene that was considered through genetic counseling that they should not be concerned. This person had a very difficult time learning in school. I offered to do research on those genes and found that one particular gene communicated with 35 other genes. One of those 35 genes linked to well studied and well known learning disorder that my friend has been diagnosed with.
I gave my friend a couple of questions to ask the geneticist over the phone on loud speaker:
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Minks
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