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Annn
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Interesting, when so many on this forum think sex education is a bad idea.
Study: Homosexual Lifestyle Strongly Linked to Depression, Suicide
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thomfra
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Do you really belive this? I have no doubt that homosexual men are in a higher risk group for a number of sexually transmitted diseases (that’s an established fact I think we can all agree on).
But sexuality is a very important dimension to us as humans. The fact that one finds oneself in a higher risk group may change how one engages in sex (protected/unprotected), (promiscious/monogamous) but it certainly wont make many remove it completely from their lives. i.e. they are still going to be sinning (in the eyes of the RCC)
The “evidence” (in this case) is not being debated. It is how the evidence is used/misused which is dubious.
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methinks the morals were developed well before the concept of a scientiest even existed.
A church based on faith is one thing. You can’t argue with what somebody belives. it’s pointless. But to say that the RCC has a monopoly on reason is really stretching it a bit in my book.
As an aside: Are all things that are against “natural law” sins?
Nobody said anything about suppressing. What I have a problem with is manipulation of research to suit a predetermined viewpoint.
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Janet_S
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Is is interesting isn’t it? I wasn’t referring to mandated sex education in public schools, which is a different issue, but it would be interesting to me if people advocating sex education in public schools would present any information showing homosexuality in a negative light. Maybe they would, but I doubt it.
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fix
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Depends on what you mean by “sex education”.
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Annn
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Outlining risks of sexual behavior, risk reduction (through contraceptives), and risk avoidance (abstinence). Making teens fully aware of how terrible sexually transmitted infections are, while also dispelling myths about how they aren’t spread. Telling kids what the varying risk levels of different kinds of contraceptives are. Making them full aware that contracting certain STI’s can make them sterile. Sterile. But I’m also in favor of telling them the reasons contraceptives often fail: for example: I don’t like the “condom and banana” display but I would explain the following safety precautions: if you’re going to accept the emotional and physical risks of sex (which teachers, parents, and administrators really can’t stop kids from doing, unfortunately): don’t use an expired condom, don’t store condoms in extreme heat, don’t use oil-based lubes, etc. etc.)
it’s also important for kids to know how to get help if they contract an STI.
I think sex ed should present abstinence as the ideal but accept that there’s NO WAY to keep kids from having sex, and accept that many kids aren’t lucky enough to have parents who will explain fully the risks.
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Janet_S
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The Church doesn’t have a monopoly on reason. Until recently, how many different cultures/societies condoned homosexuality or same-sex marriage?
It is the same with birth control, which until recently was illegal in many parts of the USA and was considered immoral by all Christians.
The Church’s position on birth control and homosexuality may seem ridiculous to people now who have become so accustomed to them, but universally and throughout the history of mankind, they were both considered immoral by most cultures. So while the rest of the world has lost its ability to reason, the Church has kept its.
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fix
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This off topic I guess. I would suggest what you propose is exactly why we have many of the problems we have today.
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Annn
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Not sure what you’re counting as “many of the problems,” but if you mean teenage pregnancy/sexually transmitted diseases, etc, I think lack of information (not “advice” on how to have “good sex” and not graphic descriptions of sex acts, just information on how diseases spread and among whom they are more likely to spread) is a serious problem. I really don’t think anything other than strong support from parents/guardians/pastors/priests/other important figures can keep kids from engaging in risky behavior, besides knowing some of the facts.
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fix
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It is another thread.
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East_and_West
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Its not a matter of “not being gay” as no one, even myself (I struggle with Same Sex Attraction), no one is gay. There are those who suffer with disoredered attractions, but that does not change one’s being. One is not gay by nature. That being said, we are telling people that they must suddenly stop having homosexual attractions. Rather, what is being said is that it will lead to a healthier and happier life if one does not engage in homosexual activity or relationships.
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thomfra
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Hmm, I don’t think this argument really works. I should imagine that the answers to most, if not all moral questions are based for the most part in one’s faith.
There were all sorts of things that were based on “reason” at some point in history (a flat earth for example).
But to choose one subset of society or one point in history and say “well *then *they had reason on *that *particular topic *now *they don’t “ ……seems like a bit of a stretch.
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thomfra
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Could you clarify your post a little. I want to make sure I understand what you are saying in response to my post.
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KingAlfred
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It only stands to reason, given society’s condemnation of homosexuality and the anger and guilt homosexual lifestyles must engender within the individual. It is truly better for the homosexual to suppress his disordered desires and seek chastity above all else. Only through Christ can the personal crisis of homosexuality be overcome.
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averheyen
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Yes, but that’s only because us close-minded Christians DARE to tell them that their lifestyle is wrong, therefore throwing them into a chaotic depression, and leading others to rebel against the EVIL Catholic Church, who dares suggest that the lifestyle is immoral.
If those terrible close minded and bigoted christians just didn’t disagree, then these people wouldn’t have so much trouble, and they could just live in peace and happiness and be accepted for who they are wouldn’t have to kill themselves anymore.
When will you fools finally understand, it’s our fault for having the standard.
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Oakleaf
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No doubt these people in the homosexual lifestyle are suffering for one reason or another. The study suggests some of that is coming not from condemnation from others, but from inhumane factors within that “gay” lifestyle.
Christ said himself, he did not come here for people who are perfect. He came for the lost sheep.
The example Christ set was stepping beyond the instincts of priesthood and society that pointed a finger in condemnation but did nothing for suffering human beings. He set a very clear example: embracing prostitutes, Roman tax collectors (considered the scum of the earth in occupied Judea). He broke bread with them, gave simple humane comfort and companionship and a message of humaneness as the highest commandment.
What’s amazing is that nobody seems to have any ideas of why homosexuals are suffering. The official Catholic position more or less acknowledges that some people are just “that way” for reasons unknown. Which means that for them, it is a natural or at least inherent condition by the time they are adults. Which means they must be treated with understanding and compassion. It is our compassion for others that saves our souls. Right?
Christ said himself, he did not come here for people who are perfect. He came for the lost sheep.
The example Christ set was stepping beyond the instincts of priesthood and society that pointed a finger in condemnation but did nothing for suffering human beings. He set a very clear example: embracing prostitutes, Roman tax collectors (considered the scum of the earth in occupied Judea). He broke bread with them, gave simple humane comfort and companionship and a message of humaneness as the highest commandment.
What’s amazing is that nobody seems to have any ideas of why homosexuals are suffering. The official Catholic position more or less acknowledges that some people are just “that way” for reasons unknown. Which means that for them, it is a natural or at least inherent condition by the time they are adults. Which means they must be treated with understanding and compassion. It is our compassion for others that saves our souls. Right?
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Fran65
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Just a couple of things:
First, its interesting to note that the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality as a mental disorder from their classification in 1973. It was done by vote at a conference, 42% wanted it to remain as a mental disorder, 58% didn’t. This was not a particularly scientific way of proceeding, depending as it did on personal beliefs and biases and not on scientific evidence. It only becomes a mental disorder when the person does not want to be homosexual - the disorder is called ‘ego dystonic homosexuality’.
Second, as Oakleaf suggests, as Catholics we judge the sin, *not *the sinner. There are things I struggle with in my life and sins that I commit and have committed. Whatever our personal struggles, we’re in this together and I thank God for the sacrament of reconciliation.
God Bless
First, its interesting to note that the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality as a mental disorder from their classification in 1973. It was done by vote at a conference, 42% wanted it to remain as a mental disorder, 58% didn’t. This was not a particularly scientific way of proceeding, depending as it did on personal beliefs and biases and not on scientific evidence. It only becomes a mental disorder when the person does not want to be homosexual - the disorder is called ‘ego dystonic homosexuality’.
Second, as Oakleaf suggests, as Catholics we judge the sin, *not *the sinner. There are things I struggle with in my life and sins that I commit and have committed. Whatever our personal struggles, we’re in this together and I thank God for the sacrament of reconciliation.
God Bless
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Mea_Culpa
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It’s not surprising that homosexuals suffer from depression, substance abuse, etc. After all, “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie” - they are living a lie. “So God created man in his own image; in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” Of course living a lie that goes against God’s plan is going to make them depressed, etc.
Homosexuality is a gravely disordered condition. The mental health industry has caved in to the “gay activists” so therefore homosexuals can’t get help for their condition. They self-medicate with drugs and alcohol. They suffer from depression. They are suicidal.
What they need to do is exchange the lie they are living for the truth of God.
Homosexuality is a gravely disordered condition. The mental health industry has caved in to the “gay activists” so therefore homosexuals can’t get help for their condition. They self-medicate with drugs and alcohol. They suffer from depression. They are suicidal.
What they need to do is exchange the lie they are living for the truth of God.
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graceandglory
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Every single practicing homosexual I know also suffers from debilitating depression.
It’s only anecdotal, but it seems to be validated by the research.
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thomfra
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How many do you know?
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Annn
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not me
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