Studying Greek and Hebrew words

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Where would I begin a study of the Bible in Hebrew and/or Greek when I have no formal training or knowledge of those languages? What I would like to be able to do is look up words/ phrases in Hebrew and/or Greek for a more precise understanding of the Bible. I do not want to necessarily learn Hebrew and/or Greek and read the Bible entirely in that language, I simply want to be able to seek clarification when studying on my own or doing Lexio Divina. Is there a Bible dictionary that help? Or should I start looking for a class?

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Where would I begin a study of the Bible in Hebrew and/or Greek when I have no formal training or knowledge of those languages? What I would like to be able to do is look up words/ phrases in Hebrew and/or Greek for a more precise understanding of the Bible. I do not want to necessarily learn Hebrew and/or Greek and read the Bible entirely in that language, I simply want to be able to seek clarification when studying on my own or doing Lexio Divina. Is there a Bible dictionary that help? Or should I start looking for a class?

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There is a downloadable Greek English, Hebrew English interlinear Bible on internet. It is protestent, but their are things in here that are more Catholic than not, some protestants would object, such as Mathew 16:18, and John 1:42.

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The PC Study Bible (google it) is Protestant software, and not cheap, but it has a very good interlinear of both testaments that shows the Greek/Hebrew, and the pronunciation, and you can click on it and it will take you right to a lexicon definition (and you can change to several different lexicons). In the NT, you can also get a grammatical analysis of the word.
 
The PC Study Bible (google it) is Protestant software, and not cheap, but it has a very good interlinear of both testaments that shows the Greek/Hebrew, and the pronunciation, and you can click on it and it will take you right to a lexicon definition (and you can change to several different lexicons). In the NT, you can also get a grammatical analysis of the word.
Just so one is aware, there is a problem here with the PC pronunciation, it will only give the pronunciation at least in the Greek for the base word, it will not give the entire pronunciation of the full word when it has a prefixes or sufixes, which is also a problem with some of the lexicons and or dictionaries Strongs Concordance being an example. This is important when trying to figure out definitions. The perfect example of this is Luke 1:28 full of Grace is from the Greek Ke-Charito-mene. The PC Bible soft only gives the pronunciation for the base Charito, many of the lexicons which refer to this passage are only really giving the definition of the base charito ignoring the prefex which altars the definition quite radically because the tense verb versus noun properties change the definition of the base word.
 
Just so one is aware, there is a problem here with the PC pronunciation, it will only give the pronunciation at least in the Greek for the base word, it will not give the entire pronunciation of the full word when it has a prefixes or sufixes, which is also a problem with some of the lexicons and or dictionaries Strongs Concordance being an example. This is important when trying to figure out definitions. The perfect example of this is Luke 1:28 full of Grace is from the Greek Ke-Charito-mene. The PC Bible soft only gives the pronunciation for the base Charito, many of the lexicons which refer to this passage are only really giving the definition of the base charito ignoring the prefex which altars the definition quite radically because the tense verb versus noun properties change the definition of the base word.
I don’t know what version you are using, but mine (several years old) had the full pronunciation in the interlinear NT.
Luke 1:28 Kaí eiselthoón prós auteén eípen Chaire kecharitooménee ho Kúrios metá soú
 
Thanks for all your help. I’ll probably try a book first. I prefer being able to flip through, but I may invest in software later. Isn’t there any software from a Catholic perspective? One that would include all the books of the Bible?
 
I also have the Strong’s Concordance. I have found it very helpful but I would definitely make sure you have another source to back up what the one source says. I have found the Interlinear Bible helpful also. I found that the Strong’s had a conflict with John 6. So I went looking for another source. So far that’s been the only problem I have seen with it. I’m considering the Vine’s also because from the looks of it, it has more of the Greek words in it. I also like having the books to flip though. 🙂
 
Just so one is aware, there is a problem here with the PC pronunciation, it will only give the pronunciation at least in the Greek for the base word, it will not give the entire pronunciation of the full word when it has a prefixes or sufixes, which is also a problem with some of the lexicons and or dictionaries Strongs Concordance being an example. This is important when trying to figure out definitions. The perfect example of this is Luke 1:28 full of Grace is from the Greek Ke-Charito-mene. The PC Bible soft only gives the pronunciation for the base Charito, many of the lexicons which refer to this passage are only really giving the definition of the base charito ignoring the prefex which altars the definition quite radically because the tense verb versus noun properties change the definition of the base word.
Do you know any books that have that full meaning in it? Do you know if the Vine’s does? I have run into this with the Strong’s that I have. I would like to have one that has more of the Greek words in it so I can get the fuller meaning in cases like this.

I’m currently considering buying the Septuagint to help with my study of the Greek.
 
Not to mention the online version translates it as “having-been-graced”.
Actually, that’s probably the most accurate way to translate kekharitomene, without using a whole sentence. That word is impossible to translate both concisely and accurately. An accurate translation will be a whole line; a concise translation will leave a lot of the meaning out.
 
Do you know any books that have that full meaning in it? Do you know if the Vine’s does? I have run into this with the Strong’s that I have. I would like to have one that has more of the Greek words in it so I can get the fuller meaning in cases like this.

I’m currently considering buying the Septuagint to help with my study of the Greek.
The only way around this to the best of my knowledge is to make use of a number of sources, including some of the more scholary resources far beyond Strongs. If one uses an interlinear program, most of the interlinears will give the grammer of the word, such as Kecharitomene, then using a Greek Grammer book or two, easier with a program one can find the definition of that particular grammer. Example KeCharitomene is a perfect passive participle, which means it is a perfectly completed action in the past with a continuance of the action at present. So perfectly completed action on Mary is the base word charito which is grace. Logos though expensive makes use and has available these scholarly works. It also has built in capablility of typing the Greek letters once you figure out a key so as to look up greek words. Two of the most highly recomended scholarly works are:

“A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature Third Edition (BDAG)”
Chicago, Illinois, USA: University of Chicago Press. 1979. H Cloth. Good. “a translation and adaptation of the fourth revised and augmented edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch zu den Schriften des Neuen Testaments und der ubrigen urchristlichen Literatur”. "Second Edition, Revised and Augmented by F. Wilbur Gingrich and Frederick W. Danker from Walter Bauer’s Fifth Edition,

If the title of this grammar seems similar to another heavyweight tool for Greek study, it’s no accident. In fact, Robert W. Funk consciously styled his translation of Blass-Debrunner’s grammar after Bauer’s Greek-English Lexicon, calling them “twin tools for the study of the language of the primitive church.” And it’s no exaggeration to say that A Greek Grammar of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BDF) is just as essential for serious study of the Greek New Testament as A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BDAG).

Greek Grammar of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature *Friedrich Blass, Albert Debrunner & Robert W. Funk
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[BDF] is at present the most authoritative NT Greek grammar.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/quotemarks-close.gif —Joseph A. Fitzmeyer, *An Introductory Bibliography for the Study of Scripture
*Logos Bible Software is pleased to announce the first-ever electronic edition of this indispensable reference work! It is the first advanced (reference) grammar for Greek to be made available on any Bible software platform. The electronic edition will include many features that add value far beyond the print edition and make it a first-rate addition to your digital library.
 
Someone please, would you simply give me a phonetic example
of kecharitomene…Is it key–car–i–toe–men- ay?
 
Someone please, would you simply give me a phonetic example
of kecharitomene…Is it key–car–i–toe–men- ay?
The authorities that I study from have it like this:

ke = “keh”, or the “short” English “e” of “end.”
char = rhymes with English "car, but the “ch” is the Scottish “ch” of “loch” or the German “ch” of “ich.”
i = English long “e”, but unstressed. Some authorities give it the pronunciation of the English “i” in “bit.”
to = English “raw,” without the fall-off to the “w”. This is the stressed syllable.
me and no = English “may” and “nay,” without the glide up to the “y”.

All together, now, class: keh-char-ee-TAW-me-ne.

DaveBj (Language Geek)
 
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