Sudden election pending in Canada

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You may or may not know that Canada presently has a minority government. The commission reviewing the Federal Sponsorship Scandal has just dropped a bombshell which may implicate the former (Liberal) Prime Minister in perjury. Four Liberals may cross the floor to the Conservative Party (or whatever they call themselves now). The opposition parties are gearing up for an election.

I haven’t a clue as to how to get pro-life on the ballot. Does anyone know of Catholic organizations who might be interested up here? The Catholic Civil Rights League and Priests for Life might be interested. Frankly I doubt it. They haven’t been interested any of the other times I contacted them.

cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/04/11/sponsorship-election050411.html
 
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HagiaSophia:
This outfit usually tracks everything with regard to life issues in US and Canada.

lifesite.net/
Thanks Hagia.
 
OK Canadians. I have checked out the above website and phoned the folks there. They have numerous articles on pro-life in Canada. They have a list of politicians and which way they voted on pro-life Bills. They have a list of 'solidly pro-life politicians. Apparently there is action afoot to create a pro-life party. Christian Heritage Party is not what they are talking about. Our main goal this election has to be to keep pro-life teaching in the news every day. So Canadians: weigh in please. Ani.
 
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JMJ_Pinoy:
I’m sure we’ve got more Canadians on these forums. 😉
Since they haven’t shown up, I will have to depend on the kindness of Americans. :o I have encountered a tremendous lethargy up here.
 
I’m in Canada.

Frankly I’m sick of the Liberals and their attempts to redefine marriage. The real reason they will lose the elections is because they’ve ignored the majority of religious people. Unfortunately the redefinition decision seems to be going ahead and the Conservatives aren’t able to stop it. It’s downright sickening, if marriage in Canada is redefined and I decide to get married I’ll go out of my way to get married in some other country.
 
jdnation: I just ‘accidentally’ bumped into a neighbour of mine. A good neighbour. Given that I go to extraordinary lengths to be a hermit, anybody that I accidentally bump into and then have lunch with means that the Lord is drawing my attention to something.

There is a struggle ahead of us in Canada jdnation. Where are you? I am in Toronto (St Lawrence Market).

My friend is an economic developer who just in the nick of time prevented Toronto City Council from reneging on previous agreements protecting the island airport land and waterfront property. A plan to bid for the 2015 Worlds Fair suddenly appeared on the horizon without any consultation whatsoever with community groups nor with the City’s own economic development offices.

It would have seen an environmental disaster happen before the public even got wind of it. Plans were not to build the airport bridge (previously rejected by election platform) but to fill in the Channel completely! Plans also were to allow for mixed-use development after the Fair. That means condominiums.

So anyway one man making a lot of noise and then 79 other citizens stopped the environmental disaster from happening. The few do make a difference.

My friend is an editor of a First Nations law journal. He has worked extensively among First Nations people in their communities. I was saying to him that I don’t see how we have any other option in Canada but to start a whole new political party from the ground up if we are to protect the Sanctity and Fullness of Life completely. At present we are limited to picking and choosing from among partial policies. Even the Christian Heritage Party is partial in its vision.

I also said that I thought the environment had to play a critical part in the new party’s platform. I was saying that I would write to the new pope and request that he appoint a First Nations cardinal. I said there has been a resounding silence in the media about First Nations social justice questions. This leads me to believe that people do not have a clue where to go to address questions of materialism, secular humanism, globalization, heterodoxy, the sanctity of life, and so on. So much of the First Nation experience of the Gospel of Life denotes vision in all these areas.
 
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jdnation:
I’m in Canada.

Frankly I’m sick of the Liberals and their attempts to redefine marriage. The real reason they will lose the elections is because they’ve ignored the majority of religious people. Unfortunately the redefinition decision seems to be going ahead and the Conservatives aren’t able to stop it. It’s downright sickening, if marriage in Canada is redefined and I decide to get married I’ll go out of my way to get married in some other country.
As I said in a post in another forum, the Liberals have got to go. They have long been a pox on Canadian sanity, and look to be an embarrassment South of the border. The problem is that the poll numbers seem to indicate that the Canadian election will be so close that there is even a danger of a hung Parliament.

Canada needs a stable government that is not Liberal.
 
David Oatney said:
As I said in a post in another forum, the Liberals have got to go. They have long been a pox on Canadian sanity, and look to be an embarrassment South of the border. The problem is that the poll numbers seem to indicate that the Canadian election will be so close that there is even a danger of a hung Parliament.

Canada needs a stable government that is not Liberal.

We agree on what needs to be done. Very likely we agree on why it needs to be done. The question is how?
 
I’m in Toronto as well… well Etobicoke to be exact, close to Lakeshore/Mississauga.

Y’know, I have imagined having a political party that is completely anti-abortion (halt abortions, except in those cases where it is permissible to save the mother’s life due to complications), anti-homosexual (halt redefinitions, get rid of that ‘hate crime law’ well the part that included homosexuals for some reason which we’ve seen abused in many cases, though not make homosexuality itself a crime.), and take a strong stand against embryonic stem cell research (plenty of other useful, working alternatives to get stem cells from.) And none of that we gotta rename a Christmas Tree a holiday tree or secularizing society so we don’t offend anyone crud.

Frankly two party systems don’t work, at least not in the real world. If there is another political party that is non-negotiable on the above, then I’m all for it. Of course other issues do matter aside from those. Otherwise if it ever gets to a big point where I have to choose between the lesser of two evils in the political sphere, I’d abstain from voting. I have no problem ‘throwing my vote away’ and I refuse to associate myself where possible with competing parties that I might equally dispise. It’s getting to a point where one can’t vote with their conscience for a clear candidate anymore…
 
Ani Ibi:
We agree on what needs to be done. Very likely we agree on why it needs to be done. The question is how?
**There is no other choice but to vote Conservative. What do you do, completely abandon the Church’s teaching and vote for the (Marxist/pseudo-Communist) NDP? :nope: **

What else could you do…all run off to Quebec and vote for the Bloc?:whacky: Yeah…right.

Martin is desperate. If he is to be believed, you’d think the Liberals about to be beaten the tar out of was a national emergency!
 
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jdnation:
I have no problem ‘throwing my vote away’ and I refuse to associate myself where possible with competing parties that I might equally dispise. It’s getting to a point where one can’t vote with their conscience for a clear candidate anymore…
Well, throwing your vote away might sound like a good idea, however it’s anything but. As Catholics are we not obligated to vote in favour of the ‘lesser evil’? What would you prefer; a Liberal government which is flat out wrong on moral issues , or a Conservative government that has some of these issues right? Personally I’d go with the step forward rather than the steps descending further down.

We should simply endorse those politicians that are pro-life. By simply becoming involved in politics more we can do a lot. The politicians may not seem to care, but our votes do matter. Live life as we ought, endores pro-life candidates, and spread the word about the said candidates.

Now I’m really new to the political scene myself, so I can use any help and advice myself. This minority government, and the atrocious defiance of life and love I’ve seen lately from our government sickens me.

I’m not exactly sure how to get ourselves a perfect government, methinks that would require the Pope to become Prime Minister. What we should be looking for is a way to minimize the damage that can be done though.

I also live right around Toronto, about 40 minutes away.
 
I’m in the process of contacting Campaign Life Coalition on Bond Street. It’s a process because they are a volunteer association and you have to keep contacting them before they actually agree to get you involved. I think we can do two things in the next election:
  1. Get a list of pro-life speakers and invite them to events where the press will be
  2. Start pro-life email campaigns to the candidates.
 
David Oatney said:
**There is no other choice but to vote Conservative. What do you do, completely abandon the Church’s teaching and vote for the (Marxist/pseudo-Communist) NDP? :nope: **

What else could you do…all run off to Quebec and vote for the Bloc?:whacky: Yeah…right.

Martin is desperate. If he is to be believed, you’d think the Liberals about to be beaten the tar out of was a national emergency!

The Conservatives imho are as crooked and unreliable as the Liberals. The NDP are ten times worse. The Green are OK but they don’t have a pro-life platform. There is the Christian Heritage Party. Usually in our riding we have about 15 different candidates.

Obviously the solution long term is to start a new party. For the time being we need just to keep pro-life in the news and bug the hek out of the existing candidates with email campaigns.
 
We need to get rid of the arrogant and crooked Liberal party. They are a Culture of Death Party.The only party that can replace them now is the Conservative party. That is who we have to vote for now because there is no way you can have a new party up and running soon. Then we have to try and influence them. Tell them what you believe. They are not a perfect party but they do have a social conservative side.But in the mean time start working on a truly Culture of Life party.
 
I’m out of Dieppe NB. I am not exaclty proud of Canada (legal prostitution which is called “the sex trade”, legal abortion which is called “women’s health” and legal gay marriage which is called “diversity” and etc.) But in NB I am very proud of our government who has refused to simply pay for abortions. In fact, last I heard, Moncton hospitals do not offer to artifically abort babies anymore! And they have gotten themselves in trouble with the feds because of it! Talk about the Lord at work. The party leader, Premier Bernard Lord is a good man, he was the MP in my riding when he was elected, and I’m praying that he is our future Prime Minister (might be a few years, he wants to stay local for a bit yet.)

Still, New Brunswick ins’t the only place on Earth. What else can be done?
 
Ani Ibi:
The Conservatives imho are as crooked and unreliable as the Liberals. The NDP are ten times worse. The Green are OK but they don’t have a pro-life platform. There is the Christian Heritage Party. Usually in our riding we have about 15 different candidates.

Obviously the solution long term is to start a new party. For the time being we need just to keep pro-life in the news and bug the hek out of the existing candidates with email campaigns.
It sounds like you have another problem…the belief that no one in any of your parties is good. This is patently false for all people of all parties everywhere in the world. While good people may be in the minority (and in some parties, good people may be in frighteningly low numbers) they are there.

Canadians I talk to seem to have the same disease many Europeans have. It is a thought process that says “RIGHT WING=BAD.” This kind of thinking hasn’t gotten the Europeans much of anywhere, and it can be argued that it has at least helped with the decline of a Christian political voice in Europe. Frankly, if Canadian (orthodox) Catholics want to help shape public policy, they need to get over this kind of thinking, and they need to do it post-haste.

No political party of any stripe is going to be a perfect one. You are going to have imperfect people running the show until Christ himself returns in glory. You have got to work within the system you have in order to reform it. Basically, these are your options:

Vote Liberal: A vote for pro-death, anti-family, anti-Catholic forces for the most part.

Vote NDP: Essentially, a vote for people who think Karl Marx was too right-wing. Our new Holy Father has listed these sorts as some of the biggest enemies of the Church today.

If you live in Quebec, you can always vote BQ/PQ: This is a party that doesn’t really take a difinitive stand on the issues that really matter to us…but they do have* many* pro-aborts running for them, and that is a sign of where they would take a Republique du Quebec. There would be no return to the days of Duplessis when the Church had real social clout.

Or you can vote Conservative: Here is a party that not only wants pro-life/pro-family votes, but openly says that such people are welcome to join, stand for seats in Parliament, even help make decisions and build the Party. Are they doing everything we’d like to see? Of course not. I am a Republican here in the States, and the GOP is the closest thing we have here to your Conservative Party. There are many things that the GOP has done that I am not happy about or pleased with, but they’ve also done A LOT of good things, too. Things that would never have happened if their opposition had been allowed to return to power.

My guess is that the Conservatives will be much the same: They’ll do a good many things that will tick you off, but some pro-family/pro-life things will begin to happen for Canada that might otherwise not happen if the Tories are not given the chance to govern.
 
David Oatney said:
**It sounds like you have another problem…the belief that no one in any of your parties is good. This is patently false for all people of all parties everywhere in the world. **My guess is that the Conservatives will be much the same: They’ll do a good many things that will tick you off, but some pro-family/pro-life things will begin to happen for Canada that might otherwise not happen if the Tories are not given the chance to govern.

You’re guess is based on false assumptions. At the provincial level, the Conservatives lost $5 billion; they just couldn’t account for it. The premier at the time was finance minister when the money was lost. Almost an additional $1 million was kicked back to a friend of the premier. They brought this province and the City of Toronto to its flipping knees, arrogantly blaming our woes on the poor.

Ten years ago approximately the Canadian public had had enough of the corruption in the Conservative government and reduced them to 2 seats, virtually wiping them off the face of the earth. In all that time, the conservative and alliance and other right-wing parties kept on in-fighting and couldn’t get it together.

No the situation in Canada for Catholics is as I described it. The main 3 parties are too corrupt imho to be worthy of our votes. None of the 3 main parties has a pro-life stance to speak of. The Christian Heritage Party is Protestant.

We will need a new party in the long-term; we will have to do our best to keep pro-life in the news in the short-term and vote the best as we can for individual pro-life candidates regardless of their party affiliation.
 
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