Suffer a witch to live?

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I relalise how foolish it was of me to try and convince you by argument. In the end it is written in our hearts the difference between right and wrong. All i can do is warn you.
 
Misinterpretations abound. I don’t think you’ve understood the fact that I don’t put any real faith in Wicca. I don’t practice it. The tarrot card was just a little thing for my website and not something that I put any trust in, though I found the results interesting, but I can certainly tell how such a thing works and on the internet it certainly has nothing to do with anything mystical. With anything on a computer, it’s a matter of science, and sometimes not even very good science if the creator doesn’t know what they are doing.
 
The purpose of my interest in witchcraft and sorcery is the fact that I am writing a fantasy novel. End of story.
 
isaac.madsen said:
Oh, sure. This is probably true. I’ve done a great deal of research on Joseph Smith, Jr. and I can say that my research seems to indicate that he was a dabbler in early American magick, which is likely what first estranged him from the locals - thus being the reason they mocked him for his visions and such.

I can’t say that Gardner and Smith were right and honorable in their practices, but at the same time, I see little reason to repudiate their beliefs. After all, they grew up in early American where there was a lot of this sort of thing going on. I’m sure that many of us on this board would have been caught up in those sorts of activities had we grown up in those times and circumstances. Many are even today, and I can’t say that I see anything wrong with it (except the practice of polygamy which is ultimately the biggest reason for my rejection of much of Mormonism).
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In what why would you consider thier beliefs valid? Smith was known as a con man and Gardener liked to run around in the woods naked having sex with whoever? Both profiting from fictitous writings and fooling people sincerely looking for spiritual truth?
Many sincere people follow false teachings, yet that doesn’t make the teachings any less false.
 
OnlyAmbrose said:
Hey all,

Are we obligated to put witches to death, as demanded in Exodus 22:18? And would that include Wiccans?

The idea doesn’t seem to be in the Christian spirit to me, but it’s right there in the Bible. How do we explain the fact that we don’t kill Wiccans even when it’s in the Bible?

This was just brought up in a discussion regarding contraception. The argument my friend made was that things change over time, and cited the fact that witches are no longer killed as an example.
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I think that passage was addressed when Jesus said “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”

You were supposed to kill adulterers too, but obviously Jesus didn’t want that. I think it was a blanket statement to stop killing people for their sin until you know you are free. Also saying that life can only be taken from people by he who gives it.
 
Bennie_P said:
In what why would you consider thier beliefs valid? Smith was known as a con man and Gardener liked to run around in the woods naked having sex with whoever? Both profiting from fictitous writings and fooling people sincerely looking for spiritual truth?
Many sincere people follow false teachings, yet that doesn’t make the teachings any less false.
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I don’t justify their bad behavior. Rather, I find it interesting that those who follow their teachings find a great deal of religious satisfaction from it. I can’t particularly understand why as I’m definitely not satisfied with Mormonism, but I still find the subjects worthy of study because they seem to bring about the same results that Christianity does for Christians and Judaism does for Jews, etc.
 
isaac.madsen said:
they seem to bring about the same results that Christianity does for Christians and Judaism does for Jews, etc.
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How would you compare these results?

In my opinion non Christian practices ultimatley lead to bondage, but that’s just my belief

‘who the Son sets free is free indeed’

Sorry this is a bit off topic
 
Not really off topic. We’re still talking about witchcraft, right?

You certainly have a right to believe whatever you chose, as well as do they. My own personal belief is that God leads us all to him through different forms of faith. If all things are possible with God, is it not then possible than a person might come to God in different ways?
 
isaac.madsen said:
Not really off topic. We’re still talking about witchcraft, right?

You certainly have a right to believe whatever you chose, as well as do they. My own personal belief is that God leads us all to him through different forms of faith. If all things are possible with God, is it not then possible than a person might come to God in different ways?
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Certainly, but if we are trying to grow closer to God by practicing evil e.g witchcraft, apostacy etc then in relaility we are growing farther away.

I think the catholic church teaches that people can be saved if they have not rejected Chirst and his teachings (e.g they have never heard about him to reject him) and have obayed the natural law (Ten commandments) written on their heart.
 
isaac.madsen said:
Not really off topic. We’re still talking about witchcraft, right?

You certainly have a right to believe whatever you chose, as well as do they. My own personal belief is that God leads us all to him through different forms of faith. If all things are possible with God, is it not then possible than a person might come to God in different ways?
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This is actually a major tenet of freemasonry & New Age Thought, there are many paths and each has it truth or part of the truth and each person has the abilty to make his own truth through knowledge and work out thier own salvation. One problem with this is it makes man a god and God just a second insignificant thought with no absolutes in truth. This is really convienient for those that reject morality based on Judea-Christian teachings - :rolleyes:

“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.” A. Crowley
 
Oh. Sure, you can put it that way.

OR

You could take it from the view of Swami Vivekananda, who said, “I am proud to belong to a religion which has taught the world both tolerance and universal acceptance. We believe not only in universal toleration but we accept all religions as true. I am proud to belong to a nation which has sheltered the persecuted and the refugees of all religions and all nations of the earth. I am proud to tell you that we have gathered in our bosom the purest remnant of the Israelites who came to Southern India and took refuge with us in very year in which their holy temple was shattered to pieces by Roman tyranny. I am proud to belong to the religion which has sheltered and is still fostering the remnant of the grand Zoroastrian nation.”

Again, I say was it not also the eastern wise men who looked to the stars and recognized the sign of Christ’s birth?

To quote Matthew 2:1-2, “Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.” (KJV)

Or try the NIV version: "After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him.”
 
Swami Vivekananda - *"Who can say that God does not manifest himself as Evil as well as Good? But only the *
Hindu dares to worship him in the evil. . . How few have dared to worship death, or Kali! Let us worship death!"

The apostle to India St. Thomas conversing with Jesus

*Thomas saith to him: Lord, we know not whither thou goest. And how can we know the way? *Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me. John 14:5-6

Choose Life or worship death.🤷 We all have a freewill to choose.

Peace
 
I think his definitions for evil and worshipping are in a slightly different context than the Christian perspective. That’s one thing you must realize when studying other religions. If you want to make your comparisons, perhaps you should do it after studying up on what their concepts are. Vivekananda is trying to tell people that we should not be afraid of death. It is merely a part of life. In a sense, Christians also worship death because they worship Christ for dying on the cross for them. To us, however, it would not be prudent to use the word “worship” in such a scenario. Vivekananda is merely making a statement that death is a part of life, and even a holy part of it in that we are returning to our maker. Perhaps then, in the context of what he said, to a Christian it would mean that we must respect death and the hardships (aka: evils) that come along with it.
 
This is what the bible says about Pagan religions (such as Wiccan)

1 Corinthians 10:20 (New International Version)
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20 No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons.
It is clear Pagan worship is not worship of God, because i rejects the natural law e.g avoidance of sorcery. Sorcery cannot be condoned as it attemps to controll demonic power. It is clear that neo pagan religions worship many ‘gods’ this defies the first commandment, as there is only one God, these other ‘gods’ must be demons.
 
Isaac,
If you want to learn more about the origins and history of Wicca, I would recommend a couple of books to you. One, by British historian Ronald Hutton, is called “Triumph of the Moon: A History of Modern Pagan Witchcraft.” In it Hutton traces the societal and philosophical trends in the 19th century that set the stage for the emergence of Wicca in the early to mid 20th century in Britain, then a detailed account of that emergence, the way it splintered and developed into different strands, crossed the ocean to blend with American radical feminism and came back across to change the original beliefs. Very interesting reading and I find the way in which a new religion develops fascinating.

The other book, which I have not read yet but have had highly recommended to me, addresses Wicca in America. It is by Chas Clifton, called “Her Hidden Children: the rise of Wicca and Paganism in America.”

For an interesting discussion on theism from a modern polytheistic perspective, you might also find John Michael Greer’s “A World Full of Gods: an inquiry into polytheism” worth a read. I enjoyed it very much.

Good luck with your book.
 
This cleary proves that all forms of witchcraft form a Catholic perspective is wrong, please don’t take this as an attack on you i am merely stating the catholic viewpoint, what you choose to do with it is up to you.
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isaac it says you are a Christian on your profile, if you want my advice leave the witchcraft alone (Tarrot) it can only lead to evil.
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You were fine until you said it was evil…but I will address that in a minute.

Well, Christians are supposed to believe the Bible. But no, it does not prove anything. That is why it is called a belief. And naturally you would disagree with any religion that is not Christain, because you are CHristian.

First, if you are to call withccraft evil, then please base your statement on something(besides what it says in the Bible). Magick is neutral. In the wrong hands, it is bad. In the right hands, it can work miracles. And you will have too pay the consequences for what you affect using magick. And how is WIcca even remotely evil? Does honoring the female aspect of God make a religion Satanistic? Does caring for the enviroement send you to hell? Wicca is all about postive change. As I said before, the only things that Wiccans do not like about some Christians is their belief is that they are right no matter what and that everything else is from Satan.

Isaac, do some educated research on paganism, or buy a book on it. Scott Cunningham is good. Then you can make your descision about what you believe. Either way, your descision will be the right one, as long as it feels right to you.
 
Oh, and as for practicing sorcery and raising the dead, I do that every other Tuesday. 😃
 
It is clear that neo pagan religions worship many ‘gods’ this defies the first commandment,
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One very important thing to understand is that Wiccans will not care if you say “Well my Bible says you can’t”. Wicca is Wicca and Christianity is Christianity.

Wiccans believe in one Divine being, and then break it down into many different aspects, since the concept of God is so huge to grasp. To Wiccans, worshipping one God is fine, but some feel that you won’t get as much out of it, and you usually won’t.
 
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