Suffering Mary

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I’m confused on how Mary still suffers for us. I heard that she tells in her apparitions how much she sorrows for mankind, etc. I know she does, but my question is…

if Mary is in Heaven, wouldn’t she be perfectly happy? Why would she still be suffering?
 
Well, if Mary is the new Eve, that is the mother of us all, when she sees us being defiant and disobediant and unrepenting how is she supposed to act if not suffering, doesn’t a mother weep when her child runs away from home?
 
Mary, in virtue of her union with the Lord, lives outside of time; hence, she sees all time as one: the past, present, and future are all in the now, all is accomplished and all has been, yet because everything is in the now she, like God, is able to live each moment of history, able to journey along with us at every moment as if that past or future moment was actually happening now. Because of this, Mary can say she suffers and weeps for us, for she suffered with her Son at Calvary and she wept over man’s sins. It could be that Mary is also be referring to the time when all mankind will weep over the One they crucified when He comes in glory, and when all the saints weep over their sins (though Mary is sinless, she could weep over other’s sins) at Judgment Day.
 
I’m confused on how Mary still suffers for us. I heard that she tells in her apparitions how much she sorrows for mankind, etc. I know she does, but my question is…

if Mary is in Heaven, wouldn’t she be perfectly happy? Why would she still be suffering?
I see what you are saying. Yes, being in Heaven and united with God would, Mary is eternally happy. I believe that God allows her to experience “suffering” by her own choice - Mary of her own free will chooses to feel pain and sorrow for us because as our mother she cannot turn her back on her children.
 
Yes, Mother Mary also crys for our environment too. I saw an apparition of her crying and telling me that she worried about the environment. I couldn’t handle her sorrow and I also cried.

A few weeks later there was a major oil spill in the Ventura county area. Many birds died from the spill. I was living in Oxnard, Calif. in 1993-94.
When I saw the news I knew that Mother Mary was crying about that oil spill and that was what she was trying to tell me.

I have seen her several times during Meditation. She also protects me too. She protects my whole family because my mom prays to her to protect us.

She chooses to contact us and tries to tell us things.
 
We are taught that Heaven is a place of perfect happiness in the Beatific Vision. So either it is, or it isn’t. If someone in Heaven is suffering, then it isn’t a place of perfect happiness, contrary to Church teaching.

The Church doesn’t require belief in even approved apparitions, and certainly not in crying statues. It’s not clear to me what an eternally suffering Mary would even accomplish by such suffering – if it were voluntary. Is there even “free will” in Heaven? To say that Jesus allows His Mother even to voluntarily keep suffering as our Mother seems to imply a defect in the Father’s care for us. Why would Jesus want that for His Mother? What theological good would be accomplished?
 
I’m confused on how Mary still suffers for us. I heard that she tells in her apparitions how much she sorrows for mankind, etc. I know she does, but my question is…

if Mary is in Heaven, wouldn’t she be perfectly happy? Why would she still be suffering?
I would be a little more worried if I ***weren’t *** somewhat confused aball 1035 🙂 .

Since God has revealed Himself and more particularly since Christ’s life, death and resurrection, there exists a mystical side to suffering which seems to elude explanation. Compounding the difficulty is the fact that as Eucharisted was saying, God is beyond time and space. We commonly run into complications while trying to express eternity using our limited human language.

My own thought is that the mystical dimension to suffering will remain as long as the Church militant and the Church suffering remain .

Your question, brought to the next level, is: “Does God suffer?”

It can be said that Christ suffers in His Mystical Body; in us - its members.If Christ is, as St. Paul says, the “head”, then He is very well connected to the members of His mystical body.

Ephesians 4:30 is definitely worth a look too:

30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption"

I experienced a confusion similar to yours, the first few times I read the meditations for the novena to The Divine Mercy. Each meditation contains a quote of our beloved Lord Jesus to St. Faustina. After you read them, you’ll see that I can empathize with you:

First Day
“Today bring to Me all mankind, especially all sinners,
and immerse them in the ocean of My mercy. In this way you will console Me in the bitter grief into which the loss of souls plunges Me.”
Fifth Day"Today bring to Me the Souls of those who have separated themselves from My Church*,and immerse them in the ocean of My mercy. During My bitter Passion they tore at My Body and Heart, that is, My Church. As they return to unity with the Church My wounds heal and in this way they alleviate My Passion."
Sixth Day
Today bring to Me the Meek and Humble Souls and the Souls of Little Children,
and immerse them in My mercy. These souls most closely resemble My Heart. They strengthened Me during My bitter agony. I saw them as earthly Angels, who will keep vigil at My altars. I pour out upon them whole torrents of grace. I favor humble souls with My confidence.

I always found it notable, that, while in the Day 6 quote taken from the meditations, clearly a link is established with Jesus’ agony , the Day 5 quote speaks of things we can do in the present which, “alleviate His Passion.”

The Day 1 quote leans even a little further - it is speaking in the present tense: “In this way you will console Me in the bitter grief into which the loss of souls plunges Me.”

…quite easy to become confused. What I prefer to do is rather than try to figure out so much, " Does God suffer", relating to the Day 1 quote, I would look at , “Why so much grief?” ; because the answer is Jesus’ own unspeakable love for us - a love so great that he would come and suffer that Passion and die again to save even one human soul.

In a similar manner, if I’m reading a message of Our Blessed Mother, rather than dwell too long on Her being saddened/sad, I would try to look at what the cause of the sadness is and pray that I would have the grace to do what she, as a most caring Mother, is exhorting us to do to remedy it. I’ve found personally that occasionally reflecting (when I’m willing to) on how something ( a type of sin) might sadden our Blessed Mother helps keep me from doing it.

A possible point of interest:
One of the four major effects of the sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick is that the sick person’s sufferings become united to Christ’s Passion.
 
We are taught that Heaven is a place of perfect happiness in the Beatific Vision. So either it is, or it isn’t. If someone in Heaven is suffering, then it isn’t a place of perfect happiness, contrary to Church teaching.

The Church doesn’t require belief in even approved apparitions, and certainly not in crying statues. It’s not clear to me what an eternally suffering Mary would even accomplish by such suffering – if it were voluntary. Is there even “free will” in Heaven? To say that Jesus allows His Mother even to voluntarily keep suffering as our Mother seems to imply a defect in the Father’s care for us. Why would Jesus want that for His Mother? What theological good would be accomplished?
Not a bit. God is perfect happiness in and of Himself, and so those who are in His presence cannot be other than perfectly happy as well. At the same time He is quite obviously affected deeply by our sins - so deeply that He took on human form to redeem us from them. Being in His presence, we will not fail to be like HIm in this regard as well. So we too will be affected by the sins of mankind as He is.

The two (perfect happiness and being affected by sin) are reconcilable and reconciled in God - just as Trinity and Unity are reconciled in God, or perfect Mercy and perfect Justice, or other things that we humans don’t fathom as being reconcilable.

As for Mary - her sorrow over sin serves exactly the same purpose as ALL our sufferings serve - when they are united to the sufferings of Christ.
 
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