Suffering, Weakness, and Perfect Happiness

[Psychotheosophy]

Houses form neighborhoods,
Neighborhoods form cities,
And within the City of Love,
Lies his castle.

All people naturally seek Love.
Because,
All people naturally need Love.

So,
As in any city,
All needs are interconnected,
And any city disintegrates without Love.

 

[Psychotheosophy]

Houses form neighborhoods,
Neighborhoods form cities,
And within the City of Love,
Lies his castle.

All people naturally seek Love.
Because,
All people naturally need Love.

So,
As in any city,
All needs are interconnected,
And any city disintegrates without Love.

And
In our weakness,
We also see our need.

 

[Psychotheosophy]

Houses form neighborhoods,
Neighborhoods form cities,
And within the City of Love,
Lies his castle.

All people naturally seek Love.
Because,
All people naturally need Love.

So,
As in any city,
All needs are interconnected,
And any city disintegrates without Love.

As in the house,
The city is also purified,
And restored to health,
From hidden infections,
In this Body of people.

For example,

According to the authority of the Catholic Church…

Any catholic,
Who accepts good = evil,
Is a blasphemer,
And will be excommunicated
If he does not repent.

Any catholic,
Who repudiates the faith,
According to apostolic tradition and scripture,
Delineated in the Summa Theologica,
Is an apostate,
And will be excommunicated,
If he does not repent.

Any ordained catholic minister,
Who is obstinate against such excommunications,
Is a heretic,
And will be excommunicated,
If he does not repent…

…and relinquishes his authority,

Including the authority
To declare, blasphemy, apostasy, heresy, and schism.

 

[Psychotheosophy]

As in the house,
The city is also purified,
And restored to health,
From hidden infections,
In this Body of people.

For example,

According to the authority of the Catholic Church…

Any catholic,
Who accepts good = evil,
Is a blasphemer,
And will be excommunicated
If he does not repent.

Any catholic,
Who repudiates the faith,
According to apostolic tradition and scripture,
Delineated in the Summa Theologica,
Is an apostate,
And will be excommunicated,
If he does not repent.

Any ordained catholic minister,
Who is obstinate against such excommunications,
Is a heretic,
And will be excommunicated,
If he does not repent…

…and relinquishes his authority,

Including the authority
To declare, blasphemy, apostasy, heresy, and schism.

Obviously,
The Vicar of Christ can not be excommunicated.

However,
According to the authority of the Catholic Church…

Any catholic,
Who does not nurture his or her vocation,
Can lose it,
And it given to another.

Therefore,

The priests and bishops,
Who do not teach the Catholic faith,
In word and deed,
Have less authority
To teach the Catholic faith
Than the laity,
Who do.

 

[Psychotheosophy]

Obviously,
The Vicar of Christ can not be excommunicated.

However,
According to the authority of the Catholic Church…

Any catholic,
Who does not nurture his or her vocation,
Can lose it,
And it given to another.

Therefore,

The priests and bishops,
Who do not teach the Catholic faith,
In word and deed,
Have less authority
To teach the Catholic faith
Than the laity,
Who do.

Since Catholic teaching always supersedes Catholic Canon Law,
It would be wise to learn Catholic teachings, first and foremost,
(Such as anything published under Pope John Paul II),
Being able to dialog about it,
Being able to test anything,
Dubbed “Catholic.”

 

[Benadam]

Perfect happiness. Seeking it is a primordial drive. A homing beacon from God that doesn’t seem to require intellect. It’s carnal origins are demonstrated by the lower animals. Even a person who commits suicide is seeking happiness. Albeit in what must be a most imperfect manner, perhaps having lost hope in ever experiencing it.

We have an example of perfect happiness fulfilled in Genesis. The entire cycle, from the revelation of a good that is lacking and originates the suffering, to the experience of limitation to find it in of ourselves, and finally, the revelation that not just restores perfect happiness but raises it up to a more perfect state.

God say’s; " It is not good that the man is alone" (pp). Adam responds to the order God revealed by seeking the good that he lacked. He sought a good he couldn’t know untill found. A good that when recieved would give him a more abundant life, a good that would perfect his joy. Make him even more perfectly happy. A search that revealed his weakness. It seems that unbeknownst to Adam, the revelation of weakness was the goal of Adam’s search. When the external resources of possible goods had been exhausted and no helpmeet for Adam was found, God acted on Adam’s behalf and revealed the good that perfected his happiness.

Which begs the question. Is perfect happiness the same as complete happiness?

 

[4Horsemen]

Perfect happiness. Seeking it is a primordial drive. A homing beacon from God that doesn’t seem to require intellect. It’s carnal origins are demonstrated by the lower animals. Even a person who commits suicide is seeking happiness. Albeit in what must be a most imperfect manner, perhaps having lost hope in ever experiencing it.

We have an example of perfect happiness fulfilled in Genesis. The entire cycle, from the revelation of a good that is lacking and originates the suffering, to the experience of limitation to find it in of ourselves, and finally, the revelation that not just restores perfect happiness but raises it up to a more perfect state.

God say’s; " It is not good that the man is alone" (pp). Adam responds to the order God revealed by seeking the good that he lacked. He sought a good he couldn’t know untill found. A good that when recieved would give him a more abundant life, a good that would perfect his joy. Make him even more perfectly happy. A search that revealed his weakness. It seems that unbeknownst to Adam, the revelation of weakness was the goal of Adam’s search. When the external resources of possible goods had been exhausted and no helpmeet for Adam was found, God acted on Adam’s behalf and revealed the good that perfected his happiness.

Which begs the question. Is perfect happiness the same as complete happiness?

I would say that “complete happiness” can be experienced on the natural level when one’s basic needs are fulfilled. However, people generally are not completely satisfied anyhow and want not only what they need but what they desire as well.

I would say that “perfect happiness” can only be understood on the supernatural level in that we can experience this as a gift only when we are perfectly united to God. That is, when we have “left” this sensory world and acquire the height of prayer as St. Teresa of Avila described in her analogy of the mansions as existing in our “interior castle.” (Also the title of her writing). This is a taste of Heaven in which “perfect happiness” is uninterrupted and lasting forever.

I like your example from Genesis, but I would say that Adam found “complete happiness” (earthly) when God made Eve. Adam’s desire for “perfect happiness” is part of his interior make-up, God’s design, that we may seek that “perfect happiness” that can only be found in Him.

 

[Psychotheosophy]

Perfect happiness. Seeking it is a primordial drive. A homing beacon from God that doesn’t seem to require intellect. It’s carnal origins are demonstrated by the lower animals. Even a person who commits suicide is seeking happiness. Albeit in what must be a most imperfect manner, perhaps having lost hope in ever experiencing it.

We have an example of perfect happiness fulfilled in Genesis. The entire cycle, from the revelation of a good that is lacking and originates the suffering, to the experience of limitation to find it in of ourselves, and finally, the revelation that not just restores perfect happiness but raises it up to a more perfect state.

God say’s; " It is not good that the man is alone" (pp). Adam responds to the order God revealed by seeking the good that he lacked. He sought a good he couldn’t know untill found. A good that when recieved would give him a more abundant life, a good that would perfect his joy. Make him even more perfectly happy. A search that revealed his weakness. It seems that unbeknownst to Adam, the revelation of weakness was the goal of Adam’s search. When the external resources of possible goods had been exhausted and no helpmeet for Adam was found, God acted on Adam’s behalf and revealed the good that perfected his happiness.

Which begs the question. Is perfect happiness the same as complete happiness?

I believe we already had a very long discussion about this on another thread.

And

Since your catholic,
And the Catholic Church states that perfect happiness is the same as complete happiness,
Then,
What will convince you that you are wrong (and not right)?

 

[Psychotheosophy]

I would say that “complete happiness” can be experienced on the natural level when one’s basic needs are fulfilled. However, people generally are not completely satisfied anyhow and want not only what they need but what they desire as well.

I would say that “perfect happiness” can only be understood on the supernatural level in that we can experience this as a gift only when we are perfectly united to God. That is, when we have “left” this sensory world and acquire the height of prayer as St. Teresa of Avila described in her analogy of the mansions as existing in our “interior castle.” (Also the title of her writing). This is a taste of Heaven in which “perfect happiness” is uninterrupted and lasting forever.

I like your example from Genesis, but I would say that Adam found “complete happiness” (earthly) when God made Eve. Adam’s desire for “perfect happiness” is part of his interior make-up, God’s design, that we may seek that “perfect happiness” that can only be found in Him.

I agree that
Earthly happiness
And
Heavenly happiness,
Are not the same.

 

[hienieboo]

i didn’t think there was such thing called perfect happiness. i mean, i believe that everyone
tries to find the complete joy within their lives, but as far as “perfect” i wouldn’t
think so… i would like to find that complete joy within my life though…

 

[hienieboo]

Perfect happiness. Seeking it is a primordial drive. A homing beacon from God that doesn’t seem to require intellect. It’s carnal origins are demonstrated by the lower animals. Even a person who commits suicide is seeking happiness. Albeit in what must be a most imperfect manner, perhaps having lost hope in ever experiencing it.

We have an example of perfect happiness fulfilled in Genesis. The entire cycle, from the revelation of a good that is lacking and originates the suffering, to the experience of limitation to find it in of ourselves, and finally, the revelation that not just restores perfect happiness but raises it up to a more perfect state.

God say’s; " It is not good that the man is alone" (pp). Adam responds to the order God revealed by seeking the good that he lacked. He sought a good he couldn’t know untill found. A good that when recieved would give him a more abundant life, a good that would perfect his joy. Make him even more perfectly happy. A search that revealed his weakness. It seems that unbeknownst to Adam, the revelation of weakness was the goal of Adam’s search. When the external resources of possible goods had been exhausted and no helpmeet for Adam was found, God acted on Adam’s behalf and revealed the good that perfected his happiness.

Which begs the question. Is perfect happiness the same as complete happiness?

wow i was thinking the same thing about complete happiness. very true!
i always wonder if there is complete and true happiness

 

[Benadam]

I would say that “complete happiness” can be experienced on the natural level when one’s basic needs are fulfilled. However, people generally are not completely satisfied anyhow and want not only what they need but what they desire as well.

I would say that “perfect happiness” can only be understood on the supernatural level in that we can experience this as a gift only when we are perfectly united to God. That is, when we have “left” this sensory world and acquire the height of prayer as St. Teresa of Avila described in her analogy of the mansions as existing in our “interior castle.” (Also the title of her writing). This is a taste of Heaven in which “perfect happiness” is uninterrupted and lasting forever.

I like your example from Genesis, but I would say that Adam found “complete happiness” (earthly) when God made Eve. Adam’s desire for “perfect happiness” is part of his interior make-up, God’s design, that we may seek that “perfect happiness” that can only be found in Him.

maybe I’m not attaching the proper concepts to the words ‘perfect’ amd 'complete. I envision heaven as an eternal movement towards absolute happiness, or happiness not as a possession but like God. God is happiness. I was conceptualizing that as complete happiness. That in heaven happiness would be eternally more united to God. Eternally becoming more divine in meaning.

 

[Benadam]

I believe we already had a very long discussion about this on another thread.

 

[Benadam]

I agree that
Earthly happiness
And
Heavenly happiness,
Are not the same.

Wasn’t Adam’s happiness perfect and earthly? Don’t animals experience happiness proper to their state of perfection? I want to use the terms as the Church does. I’m not.

 

[4Horsemen]

maybe I’m not attaching the proper concepts to the words ‘perfect’ amd 'complete. I envision heaven as an eternal movement towards absolute happiness, or happiness not as a possession but like God. God is happiness. I was conceptualizing that as complete happiness. That in heaven happiness would be eternally more united to God. Eternally becoming more divine in meaning.

I think it’s a question of semantics. The terms are often used as synonyms interchangably.
However, the word “complete” regarding happiness denotes a state of perfect contentment of being already there. The term “perfect” really does the same. God is perfect and complete.
I just used the word “complete” (or completion)
for happiness on the natural plane and “perfection” on the spiritual plane in an earlier post. It seems that a person (or animal?) can feel perfectly contented, that is complete. But to acquire a state of perfection (as St. Teresa of Avila and other saints define), it is necessary to travel the spiritual highway conquering vices and gaining virtue so as to become perfect in that we are united to God.

com⋅plete  /kəmˈplit/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhm-pleet] Show IPA adjective, verb, -plet⋅ed, -plet⋅ing.
Use complete in a Sentence
–adjective 1. having all parts or elements; lacking nothing; whole; entire; full: a complete set of Mark Twain’s writings.
2. finished; ended; concluded: a complete orbit.
3. having all the required or customary characteristics, skills, or the like; consummate; perfect in kind or quality: a complete scholar.
4. thorough; entire; total; undivided, uncompromised, or unmodified: a complete victory; a complete mess.

per⋅fect  /adj., n. ˈpɜrfɪkt; v. pərˈfɛkt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [adj., n. pur-fikt; v. per-fekt] Show IPA
Use perfect in a Sentence
–adjective 1. conforming absolutely to the description or definition of an ideal type: a perfect sphere; a perfect gentleman.
2. excellent or complete beyond practical or theoretical improvement: There is no perfect legal code. The proportions of this temple are almost perfect.
3. exactly fitting the need in a certain situation or for a certain purpose: a perfect actor to play Mr. Micawber; a perfect saw for cutting out keyholes.
4. entirely without any flaws, defects, or shortcomings: a perfect apple; the perfect crime.
5. accurate, exact, or correct in every detail: a perfect copy.
6. thorough; complete; utter: perfect strangers.

There are more delineations of each word. So, basically the words are interchangeable.

 

[Psychotheosophy]

Apparently I need to learn the meaning the Church attaches to those words before using them again.
Complete means finished to me. Perfection OTOH can be increased or lifted up eternally in my view.

So,
(If you are answering my question,)
You will be convinced that you are wrong (and not right),
If I tell you the meaning the Church attaches to the word “perfect” and “complete?”

And,
Empty you mind of your views and meanings
And assume the views and meaning of the Church?

And,
Refuse to be perfectly content with your views,
And seek being perfectly content with the views of the Church?

 

[MindOverMatter]

Huh? Am I from another planet??
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I’m from another planet. The planet niburu. I am a gray. I am now orbiting your planet right now as we speak, looking down upon your some what dysfunctional and unsophisticated civilization wondering when you are going to wipe yourselves out. The sooner you do it, the sooner i can go home. In our world we no longer have debates about God or suffering because our vast intellects proved the existence of God many billions of years ago. Watching you creatures take so long to understand something so obvious is very painful. On our planet we had a great philosopher call “kaligouwaza”. We now have a statue of her, and on it is written a famous saying that she often shared with us when we became one in mind. The words are “Beware of earth, because human beings are insane”

I have been tracking and hacking signals coming from your the planet and thats how i found this forum. If my superiors find out, they will transform me into a human, and i will have to spend the rest of my years with a small intelligence like you creatures!!!

 

[centurionguard]

I’m from another planet. The planet niburu. I am a gray. I am now orbiting your planet right now as we speak, looking down upon your some what dysfunctional and unsophisticated civilization wondering when you are going to wipe yourselves out. The sooner you do it, the sooner i can go home. In our world we no longer have debates about God or suffering because our vast intellects proved the existence of God many billions of years ago. Watching you creatures take so long to understand something so obvious is very painful. On our planet we had a great philosopher call “kaligouwaza”. We now have a statue of her, and on it is written a famous saying that she often shared with us when we became one in mind. The words are “Beware of earth, because human beings are insane”

I have been tracking and hacking signals coming from your the planet and thats how i found this forum. If my superiors find out, they will transform me into a human, and i will have to spend the rest of my years with a small intelligence like you creatures!!!

Wow ! A fan of Erich von Däniken and his books I see. Perhaps not to be totally discarded. But you should know that much that he speaks is comprised of much conjecture even though it be fascinating, The Tenth Planet Niburu ? Why (name removed by moderator)ut this in this thread ?

 

[Benadam]

So,
(If you are answering my question,)
You will be convinced that you are wrong (and not right),
If I tell you the meaning the Church attaches to the word “perfect” and “complete?”

 

[4Horsemen]

I’m from another planet. The planet niburu. I am a gray. I am now orbiting your planet right now as we speak, looking down upon your some what dysfunctional and unsophisticated civilization wondering when you are going to wipe yourselves out. The sooner you do it, the sooner i can go home. In our world we no longer have debates about God or suffering because our vast intellects proved the existence of God many billions of years ago. Watching you creatures take so long to understand something so obvious is very painful. On our planet we had a great philosopher call “kaligouwaza”. We now have a statue of her, and on it is written a famous saying that she often shared with us when we became one in mind. The words are “Beware of earth, because human beings are insane”

I have been tracking and hacking signals coming from your the planet and thats how i found this forum. If my superiors find out, they will transform me into a human, and i will have to spend the rest of my years with a small intelligence like you creatures!!!

Haven’t read the books but will add to my list of to-do reading. Sounds interesting. Can’t beat the fantasy Lord of the Rings. Of course it’s not sci-fi. I read something by Kurt Vonnegut one time. Been reading philosophy lately. Anyhow, just beam me up, “Scottie,” er, MindOverMatter!!! :yyeess: