Suffering: why do we suffer?

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I was the OP and much of the comments were great, though we got side tracked much there. I have read everything that pertained to the original question and I am settled on that issue as too the Christian response.

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How can you find God in suffering?
 
I was the OP and much of the comments were great, though we got side tracked much there. I have read everything that pertained to the original question and I am settled on that issue as too the Christian response.

Now:

How can you find God in suffering?
not to be flip but im not sure you can find G-d without suffering
 
*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

Here are some words from the apparition of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the Sacred Heart of Jesus at Conyers, Georgia.

ourlovingmother.org/Messages_Monthly_1995_OurLovingMother.aspx
“There is victory and liberation in the Cross.”
May 13, 1995
From the crucifix in the apparition room, Jesus looked toward Heaven in prayer. He then said, **“Please tell My children there is victory and liberation in the Cross. You cannot understand the mystery of suffering until you begin to unite your suffering to Me.”

“In suffering I will set you free. I will free you from your selfish inclinations.”

“I invite you to live in My grace.”** The wall turned scarlet and Nancy saw the outline of the continents.

**"Do not begrudge the Cross but embrace the Cross in love and in surrender of your will. Then you will begin to understand the victory which I speak about in the Cross.

"This is the way to true happiness. The way of the Cross is the way of Life Eternal in Me.

“I have spoken. Know that I am Jesus, Son of the Living God.”** After a little while Jesus said,

**“I asked Peter: Do you love me? I ask you: Do you love me? Love Me through the Cross.”**Nancy saw visions of many saints. Jesus said,

**"A saint is not a saint without the Cross. Be not children of this world. Be children of God.

"Meditate on the Cross.

“I love you all, My dear children.”**

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *
 
I was the OP and much of the comments were great, though we got side tracked much there. I have read everything that pertained to the original question and I am settled on that issue as too the Christian response.

Now:

How can you find God in suffering?
I thirst 4 you
You deserve a reply to your question as you were the opening page of the debate, and as there are as many answers to the question as there are pepole in the world, because we all have an opinion, therefore it is hard to satisfy any one, let alone everyone!!!
Having said that, I will try to give my opinion, for what it is worth. First I would like to quote a paragraph from one of reens replies to the post.

“All creation fell, in Adam.
Sickness, pain, hard labor, and death entered the world. Their children would know these realities, never having known Eden. Even the animals world would know pain and illness, and they, too would die. These were the results of the fall.” How beautifully put, and so apt to what we are discussing. “We know that the whole of creation has been groaning in travail together until now; and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.” [Luke 6:37-38]

At Saul’s Conversion. Jesus said “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” [Acts 9:4-5] He did not say, why are you persecuting my Apostles, or followers, but, “why are you persecuting me!” So Jesus is the head of his mystical body, which is groaning in travail. “And he has put all things under his feet and has made him the head over all things for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.” Jesus died on the Cross to give us his Spirit, to overcome the world principalities and dominions, so that we can become adopted sons of God in him.

The cause of our suffering is the loss of faith in the word of God,and we will continue to suffer until we accept Gods Word, Jesus. "One day, when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, Satan also came among them. And the Lord said to Satan,"Whence do you come? Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “From roaming the earth and patrolling it.” And he is still patrolling the earth and causing its suffering as plainly, can be seen by the result of the election. How many more innocence will be murdered with impunity, before they will submit to the will of God.

The time is coming, and is already here, when their indifference will no
longer be tolerated

"He said in reply, “[In the evening you say, “Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red;” and in the morning, “Today will be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.” You know how to judge the appearance of the sky, but you cannot judge the signs of the times.] an evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign, but on sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Then he left them and went away. [Matthew 16:1-5]

Keep thirsting.
God bless
Matt.
 
Another great question!

Answer: humility.

God is a god of humility. The Trinity is an eternal mystery of self-donation.

As I noted previously, by enduring suffering we give of ourselves. Every day, it takes me a lot of effort just to get out of bed in the morning, but I do so because I love my family, and I love God.

God chose to become one like us. The Eternal Word, begotten of the Father before time began, condescended to become one of us, even a little baby, even a little embryo in His mother’s womb.

He was born in a stable. He was beaten and crucified on a Cross.

Among the many reasons this happened was that it was the best way He could show His love for the Father: by perfect obedience and humility. It was also the best way He could show His Divine Humility. “Though He was in the form of God, Jesus did not deem equality with God something to be grasped at. Rather, he emptied Himself and took the form of a slave, being born of human estate. . . .”

That is the answer to the mystery of suffering, right there. When we embrace suffering, we embrace the divine humility of Jesus.

“not to be flip but im not sure you can find G-d without suffering”
No, you can’t.
 
Another great question!

Answer: humility.

God is a god of humility. The Trinity is an eternal mystery of self-donation.

As I noted previously, by enduring suffering we give of ourselves. Every day, it takes me a lot of effort just to get out of bed in the morning, but I do so because I love my family, and I love God.

God chose to become one like us. The Eternal Word, begotten of the Father before time began, condescended to become one of us, even a little baby, even a little embryo in His mother’s womb.

He was born in a stable. He was beaten and crucified on a Cross.

Among the many reasons this happened was that it was the best way He could show His love for the Father: by perfect obedience and humility. It was also the best way He could show His Divine Humility. “Though He was in the form of God, Jesus did not deem equality with God something to be grasped at. Rather, he emptied Himself and took the form of a slave, being born of human estate. . . .”

That is the answer to the mystery of suffering, right there. When we embrace suffering, we embrace the divine humility of Jesus.

“not to be flip but im not sure you can find G-d without suffering”
No, you can’t.
GodsGadfly.

Inspired by the holy Spirit. your suffering has not been in vain.

God bless
matt
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I guess I am going through a mid-life crisis.

I really can not understand why some people sail through life with very little hard ache, they are physically attractive, have smarts, land perfect jobs and marry the perfect spouse, then there are others who come from broken home, marry some looser and have kids and the whole situation repeats itself.

There are those with looks, brains but are cruel, cruel cruel and are just out there to manipulate others and create havec and it seems the tables never turn on them.

Then there are those who have one hardship after another. How can this possibly make them stronger???. I have read about those who have continued faith in the Lord and I can not imagine what keeps them going…so, why is there continued suffering???:confused:

I have tried to make every aspect of my life be with respect for myself…I am a faithful loving wife to a man who does not love me, lies and cheats, his son from a previous marriage hates me, his sister and his parents don’t like me because I tell them the way it is (about S.) But they continue to “support” him no matter what he says or does!!! Thank God his daughter knows what he and his family are all about.

Are they being honest, with themselves??? What would God think about this??? I try to imagine what he would say to my husband, and to his family.

I hate to read about those suffering from medical conditions, marital breakdown and anything that constitutes suffering… So, why do some suffer more than others?? How fair is this, when God supposedly loves us all the same???

LOADED QUESTION…but I need some feedback…

Why are some happier just living together, having children out of wedlock and everything seems to work out just fine for them. I thought God was all about marriage. Pre-marital pregnancy they wed and live happily ever after and those that wait and do things according to the order God wants it, there marriage goes South?
 
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I guess I am going through a mid-life crisis.

I really can not understand why some people sail through life with very little hard ache, they are physically attractive, have smarts, land perfect jobs and marry the perfect spouse, then there are others who come from broken home, marry some looser and have kids and the whole situation repeats itself.

There are those with looks, brains but are cruel, cruel cruel and are just out there to manipulate others and create havec and it seems the tables never turn on them.

Then there are those who have one hardship after another. How can this possibly make them stronger???. I have read about those who have continued faith in the Lord and I can not imagine what keeps them going…so, why is there continued suffering???:confused:

I have tried to make every aspect of my life be with respect for myself…I am a faithful loving wife to a man who does not love me, lies and cheats, his son from a previous marriage hates me, his sister and his parents don’t like me because I tell them the way it is (about S.) But they continue to “support” him no matter what he says or does!!! Thank God his daughter knows what he and his family are all about.

Are they being honest, with themselves??? What would God think about this??? I try to imagine what he would say to my husband, and to his family.

I hate to read about those suffering from medical conditions, marital breakdown and anything that constitutes suffering… So, why do some suffer more than others?? How fair is this, when God supposedly loves us all the same???

LOADED QUESTION…but I need some feedback…

Why are some happier just living together, having children out of wedlock and everything seems to work out just fine for them. I thought God was all about marriage. Pre-marital pregnancy they wed and live happily ever after and those that wait and do things according to the order God wants it, there marriage goes South?
Hi Renata sounds all doom and glum!!
I went through a similar situation from, the mans perspective, and everything fell apart. So I have had many years to reflect on my mistakes.
And some of those reflections my be of some help to you. First thing, have you forgotten how to laugh, and have fun, and do all the giggly things a girl dose? They wear the things that attracted him to you in the first place. Then over the years we become complacent, and forget to show the fun side, we become to serious worried and over burdened with the problems in life. next you used to go out of your way to make yourself attractive for him, but now you don’t see him as important enough to please, unconsciously of course. next when you have an argument, instead of listing to each others, complaints, you shout each other down, the only thing in your mind is getting your point across, not hearing the others grievance. Now when you met him you thought everything he said was right. Now nothing he says is right. So the ego buster that he was thriving on has been taken away. He, can now see, that you see him as a looser. So he will look for the ego trip somewhere else. What I’m saying is you cannot join two magnets together because the power to draw is in both of them so when you try, put them together there is an invisible force, or cushion that repels each other. So until one is demagnatized there will be no coming together!! So one of you must demagnetize. when you met, “YOU” “GAVE HIM THE POWER FREELY,” now you have taken it away, unconsciously, and he feels the looser vibes from you. So if you want happiness demagnetize. men are like little kids, praise them and they will give you the moon. now as regards other pepole having a bed of roses, everything that glitters is not gold. they are the ones that are so puffed up with pried that they would die rather then let others now that they wear anything other then perfect. Every one has their own problems.
NEXT if you want a fire to keep going, give it plenty of fuel, So stop telling his relative or anyone else about your problems, be like the proud ones, but work on them yourself. Next get a hobby walking running swimming, blow off the cobwebs, buy new close, and feel good about yourself.

But most of all, make God the center of your life, and he will make you the center of his. Go to mass regularly and talk to him in your heart.
And may God bless and keep you, Renata, I will keep you in my prayers, and please remember to do the same for me.
Matt, :irish2:
 
This is what I was told by my Brother/Monk who I learn much from…:

"I would advise you to do some reading on the redemptive aspect of suffering. Instead of fighting the suffering you need to embrace it. Offer it to God, rather than focus on God helping you cope. You need to surrender all this to our Lord.

I can post a document later to help you understand and to begin to follow Christian Resignation/Surrender.

One person I know who truly understood the redemptive aspect of suffering was Fr. John Hardon. Two weeks before he died from cancer the medications controlling pain no longer worked. He was in excruciating pain.

From his hospital room it was overhead him praying, “Lord give me more pain!”

He was a man who know the grace and privilege of being in pain and suffering. Those of us who suffer have a great opportunity to join our pain and suffering with that of Christ’s. There is no greater privilege than to share in the suffering with Christ.

So, embrace the suffering. God has given you a gift"

I want to see if there is a book about Fr.Harden. I am told I have suffering like the OT, Job,and this is not an overstatement. I am having a difficult time lately with all this suffering. I need to learn how to surrender. I use to surrender my suffering,but I seem to be at a new level of suffering and the old ways are not working so good. I really think I need to learn how to embrace suffering instead of asking God to help me cope as Bro. said. I want so much to be able to ask for more suffering and totally mean it.
Does anyone else feel this way too?
 
Well, first, my personal belief is that part of the Redemption is that Jesus taught us how to suffer. The proper Catholic response to suffering is to say, “Jesus endured far worse than this, and He didn’t deserve it. I deserve to suffer for all eternity in Hell for my sins, so I should embrace this. Jesus, I offer up my sufferings with your sacrifice on the Cross.”

When we talk about “suffering”, we must remember that “suffering” is an emotional state. We “suffer” from many things, and it is important to distinguish those causes.
  1. Suffering we receive from others’ sins and cruelty. This is obviously a consequence of original sin. It is what Socrates refers to when he says, “It is better to suffer wrong than to do it.” This would not exist without original sin, but even those without original sin–Jesus and Mary–experience it.
  2. Suffering from physical illness, deformity, etc. Regardless of whether illnesses or deformities existed in an unfallen world, it is very clear that they would not have caused suffering. Why? Our suffering from these problems is directly proportionate to our own selfishness.
I’ve written more elaborately on these distinctions in the past (in my master’s thesis, for example), but can’t think offhand of what I formulated.

But I’ve always wanted to write a book called, “The Divine Practical Joke”: we suffer because God finds it funny.

No matter what we complain about in this life, it is nothing compared to Heaven or Hell. No matter how bad things are here, for a short time, the Beatific Vision would wipe it away for ages of ages. On the other hand, if we end up in Hell, the sufferings there are far worse than the worst we experience here. In either case, complaining about suffering in this life is rather silly.

The fact that we suffer-that we have this selfish, “woe is me” reaction to inconvenience–is a consequence of original sin. But suffering itself, properly embraced, is the cure of original sin.
I disagree with you on so many issues. It makes me wonder do you suffer and to what degree if at all?
You stated,“Suffering from physical illness, deformity, etc. Regardless of whether illnesses or deformities existed in an unfallen world, it is very clear that they would not have caused suffering. Why? Our suffering from these problems is directly proportionate to our own selfishness”
Our own self or selfishness has nothing to do with suffering. Suffering would not of existed in an unfalllen world.Only beauty and health and complete love of God exists in an unfallen workd. A " Deformity" suggests just by the word that something is not right. All is right in a perfect world. Sin is what causes suffering. It can fall on anyone. IT can fall on a unselfish person or a selfish person.Many very selfish people never suffering in life and many very unselfish people suffer greatly in life. “OUR OWN” behavior is not a factor if we get suffering in life or not. That is pagan, New Age thinking. This is blaming the suffering person for their suffering. We in our CHurch have many saints in our History that prove what you say as wrong and even against our Chatholic faith.
Real Christians who suffer for Christ do not think, woe is me.They embrace it with Love for and with Christ… by suffering it can not ‘cure’ suffering. Repentance and refusing to sin again is what cures sin. That is one major reason for confession… Because it takes God NOT ourselves to cure sin. As humans we can only sin unless we have the graces of God not to sin. We are nothing.He is everything.
You have a very twisted way of thinking.
Spirit
 
Suffering can be an emotional state, and it also can not be an emotional state.
Secondly, Our suffering from these problems is NOT directly proportionate to our own selfishness. We can have suffering that falls on us and has nothing to do wih us as with JOB in the OT.

As Father Corapi has said, “We can educate ourselves into imbecilism.”

I think the best teacher is life. And if you want to educate yourself on the subject of suffering. Ask a Catholic who suffers. I have suffered greatly most my life and intensely for 16 yrs. And I resent you defining my suffering,especially since you have gotten it wrong.
Spirit
 
why do we suffer?
this question is very deep and the answer is probably deep too…

but i do think the question “if God is so loving why do we suffer?” is silly. there is a flawed assumption that love and suffering cannot go together.

i observed many of you here have gone at lengths attempting to define “suffering”… i guess one definition of suffering may be to believe you are in lower circumstances than you deserve.

anyway, i think thinking about this may help.

children may wonder “if God is so loving, why do we feel physical pain?”
there is a disease where one does not experience physical (nociceptive) pain and they are susceptible to infections and usually do not live beyond 20-30 years. Diabetes also causes insensitivity to pain which leads to ulcers and autoamputation. so we understand that pain is important for us. it may not be desirable but it can be important. im not saying that undue pain like bashing someone with a bat until they are brain dead is a good thing.

i think suffering is like that. Suffering is another part of our God-given life that we sometimes question. i know that contemplating suffering can be used to contemplate Jesus’ passion and suffering for others can be a means to live His passion.

the reason for suffering in all its forms is probably beyond human understanding, just as a child does not understand the reason for existance of physical pain.
perhaps a better question would be “why do we deserve God’s love?”
 
I posted a question a few months back about redemptive suffering. It had very few responses as yours is getting. The question was “Do you have to be in a state of grace for suffering to be redemptive?”. One poster said “yes”, you must be in a state of grace. It knocked the wind out of me. I have been in a state of sin most of my life, including what I thought was a grace that I could join in the sufferings of Christ and that was my fight with cancer. It was made a punishment and I now resent the suffering I have been through above and beyond a little thing of cancer that has been towered over by death itself. I’ve seen the rotting corpse of a loved one and held the hand of the dieing. I tried to reconcile and was told that asking “why” was a lament of pride. So I have left the Church and don’t see me going back any time soon. Hope someone can answer your question, but deep down, we know why we suffer. For some, it’s a taste of what awaits. Tim
Tim, sometimes it is difficult to get answers to such questions online. For example, I don’t believe that we need to be in a state of grace for our suffering to help sanctify us. It does help to be repentant though. God uses suffering if we let Him. Suffering is not a punishment…it’s a sharing in His Cross, and it will be rewarded in Heaven, more than we can imagine. Suffering also teaches us how to love God selflessly, like He loves us.

in itself, pain is bad…a result of the fall…but God can turn it to good, and redemptive suffering is one way He does this.

God bless.
 
There may be information, on the forum, addressing redemptive suffering,
and perhaps another poster could note same.

I am not a Christian, yet I am familiar with Catholic theology.

If I could feel better, offering up my suffering, then I wouldn’t be in profound suffering.
Aching loss, lifelong illness, a difficult childhood - are not undone, emotionally,
by offering this suffering to God, in union with Christ’s own suffering.

In fact, Jesus cried out on the cross “Why have You forsaken me?”
The human emotions of Jesus are expressed, here.
He didn’t feel better, emotionally, offering his sense of abandonment by his Father.
He was offering the perfect sacrifice, according to Christian theology.

Yet St. Paul says:

Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up
what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church…
Colossians 1: 24

This has been variously interpreted, but I see this as a reference to the fact that Jesus,
in his earthly life, could not possibly have endured all the different sufferings that are
the lot of mankind. He could not experience lifelong physical illness, nor mental illness.
He could not know what it is to have lost a child, or a beloved spouse.
He never lived in great poverty. He never had to contend with the losses one may face
as one ages.

Even though he said that “…the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head…” he did not
sleep on a subway grate, in a northeast winter.

So I figure that Catholicism teaches that - whatever one endures, may be offered to God
  • in union with that of the sufferings of Jesus.
Yet what is puzzling, about Paul’s observation, is that elsewhere, in his writings,
he is at pains to point out that Jesus is to be considered the perfect offering, once for all.

But maybe a Christian poster could address this point.

Best wishes,

reen12
Yes it can…a direct quote…Reflection on the Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ +

The agony in the garden was really the agony in His mind. He suffered the passion in His mind before He suffered it in His body—to the point of actually affecting the latter by sweating blood. But from then on, it was His bodily suffering that affected His mental suffering.

At the base of all His suffering was the one thing that human beings dread the most: rejection. He was betrayed by Judas, denied by Peter and abandoned by all the rest of His Apostles; those He had hand picked as His closest intimates. He was most rejected by those who put Him to death. They not only wanted Him dead, they wanted Him to suffer. They not only considered Him to be worth nothing, they considered Him to be worth minus nothing! This significance was not lost on Him. He felt fully the rejection as each physical agony reminded Him.

So we thank Him for joining us on our human journey and actually choosing to experience what we fear the most.

We thank Him for enduring the arrest and the cruelty of the guards and the Sanhedrin. We thank Him for enduring the cruelty of Pilate who allowed Him to be executed rather than risk his own political ruin—and for the cruelty of Herod who wanted to be entertained by having Him work a miracle. We thank Him for all the time He spent satisfying their preoccupation with themselves, just delaying His ultimate death. We thank Him for the anxiety of that night in a cell.

The next morning He was brutally scourged with such intensity and violence that He became as an aged man in a matter of minutes. His multiple wounds bloodied His entire body. The loss of so much blood not only severely weakened Him; it also caused a severe, throbbing headache that remained with Him for the duration.

We thank Him for this and for the mockery He received when they put a purple cloth on His shoulders and pushed a crown of thorns down into His head which intensified His headache. They blindfolded Him and slapped Him, insisting that He ‘prophesy’ who had hit Him. They spat on Him and beat Him.

He stood at the praetorium in utter disgrace according to the attitude of the crowd—while in reality, He stood in utter glory: almighty God, being present to every person who has ever suffered rejection, joining them in their
moment of pain. It was there that He was sentenced to death by crucifixion. As a further humiliation, He was forced to carry His instrument of execution. He revealed to St. Bernard that carrying the cross was His most painful agony. He was so weak, He could hardly walk. So the weight of the cross on His shoulder was unbearable. It most likely dislocated His shoulder. It is not surprising that He fell down on the stone streets that were filthy with animal dung—with the cross on top of Him. And He got up each time.

It was only with the help of Simon of Cyrene that He made it to the top of Calvary. There they drove the nails into the carpal tunnels of His hands, causing pain throughout His upper body. The nail in His feet registered great pain through all the sensitive nerves there. When the cross was righted, His up-stretched arms squeezed His lungs and He began to pant for lack of oxygen. So He had to push down on His crucified feet to push His body up in order to fill His lungs with air. This took great effort because He was so weak. Yet He managed to maintain such effort for three hours of agony which increased gradually as He became weaker moment by moment.

By the end of the third hour, His agony was at its peak. He had come to the point where His strength simply gave out and He suffocated. In this eternal moment as He died, He gave us His life. Transcending time, this moment of divine love is present to us in the tabernacles of the world.

Thank you, Lord. We adore you O Christ and we praise you. By your holy cross, you have redeemed the world! ]

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Tim, sometimes it is difficult to get answers to such questions online. For example, I don’t believe that we need to be in a state of grace for our suffering to help sanctify us. It does help to be repentant though. God uses suffering if we let Him. Suffering is not a punishment…it’s a sharing in His Cross, and it will be rewarded in Heaven, more than we can imagine. Suffering also teaches us how to love God selflessly, like He loves us.

in itself, pain is bad…a result of the fall…but God can turn it to good, and redemptive suffering is one way He does this.

God bless.
Thanks for answering this. I wrote this awhile back, when I was going through a time of despair. At times, I despair and stop practising the faith, but the Lord never gives up on me and always prompts me to return, mainly through others good intentions like yours. I have since started to learn about the value of suffering and I am now in a time of great consolations that I couldn’t imagine. I know there will be highs and lows in this walk, but much pain has been replaced with hope. A hope that may sustain me through future trials, but can be fleeting. It is the good works of the followers of Christ that give us the edge to get through the lows. These promptings of the Holy Spirit can mean the difference between turning from the Lord to embracing Him. I hope we can all keep this in mind when we respond to someones plea’s. Thanks, Tim
 
Thanks for answering this. I wrote this awhile back, when I was going through a time of despair. At times, I despair and stop practising the faith, but the Lord never gives up on me and always prompts me to return, mainly through others good intentions like yours. I have since started to learn about the value of suffering and I am now in a time of great consolations that I couldn’t imagine. I know there will be highs and lows in this walk, but much pain has been replaced with hope. A hope that may sustain me through future trials, but can be fleeting. It is the good works of the followers of Christ that give us the edge to get through the lows. These promptings of the Holy Spirit can mean the difference between turning from the Lord to embracing Him. I hope we can all keep this in mind when we respond to someones plea’s. Thanks, Tim
4EverHis is right. We are all given our crosses and it is how we respond to God and man that makes us closer in union with Christ. God Bless You, Tim.
 
Thanks for answering this. I wrote this awhile back, when I was going through a time of despair. At times, I despair and stop practising the faith, but the Lord never gives up on me and always prompts me to return, mainly through others good intentions like yours. I have since started to learn about the value of suffering and I am now in a time of great consolations that I couldn’t imagine. I know there will be highs and lows in this walk, but much pain has been replaced with hope. A hope that may sustain me through future trials, but can be fleeting. It is the good works of the followers of Christ that give us the edge to get through the lows. These promptings of the Holy Spirit can mean the difference between turning from the Lord to embracing Him. I hope we can all keep this in mind when we respond to someones plea’s. Thanks, Tim
God bless you 🙂
 
Yes it can…a direct quote…Reflection on the Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ +

The agony in the garden was really the agony in His mind. He suffered the passion in His mind before He suffered it in His body—to the point of actually affecting the latter by sweating blood. But from then on, it was His bodily suffering that affected His mental suffering.

At the base of all His suffering was the one thing that human beings dread the most: rejection. He was betrayed by Judas, denied by Peter and abandoned by all the rest of His Apostles; those He had hand picked as His closest intimates. He was most rejected by those who put Him to death. They not only wanted Him dead, they wanted Him to suffer. They not only considered Him to be worth nothing, they considered Him to be worth minus nothing! This significance was not lost on Him. He felt fully the rejection as each physical agony reminded Him.

So we thank Him for joining us on our human journey and actually choosing to experience what we fear the most.

We thank Him for enduring the arrest and the cruelty of the guards and the Sanhedrin. We thank Him for enduring the cruelty of Pilate who allowed Him to be executed rather than risk his own political ruin—and for the cruelty of Herod who wanted to be entertained by having Him work a miracle. We thank Him for all the time He spent satisfying their preoccupation with themselves, just delaying His ultimate death. We thank Him for the anxiety of that night in a cell.

The next morning He was brutally scourged with such intensity and violence that He became as an aged man in a matter of minutes. His multiple wounds bloodied His entire body. The loss of so much blood not only severely weakened Him; it also caused a severe, throbbing headache that remained with Him for the duration.

We thank Him for this and for the mockery He received when they put a purple cloth on His shoulders and pushed a crown of thorns down into His head which intensified His headache. They blindfolded Him and slapped Him, insisting that He ‘prophesy’ who had hit Him. They spat on Him and beat Him.

He stood at the praetorium in utter disgrace according to the attitude of the crowd—while in reality, He stood in utter glory: almighty God, being present to every person who has ever suffered rejection, joining them in their
moment of pain. It was there that He was sentenced to death by crucifixion. As a further humiliation, He was forced to carry His instrument of execution. He revealed to St. Bernard that carrying the cross was His most painful agony. He was so weak, He could hardly walk. So the weight of the cross on His shoulder was unbearable. It most likely dislocated His shoulder. It is not surprising that He fell down on the stone streets that were filthy with animal dung—with the cross on top of Him. And He got up each time.

It was only with the help of Simon of Cyrene that He made it to the top of Calvary. There they drove the nails into the carpal tunnels of His hands, causing pain throughout His upper body. The nail in His feet registered great pain through all the sensitive nerves there. When the cross was righted, His up-stretched arms squeezed His lungs and He began to pant for lack of oxygen. So He had to push down on His crucified feet to push His body up in order to fill His lungs with air. This took great effort because He was so weak. Yet He managed to maintain such effort for three hours of agony which increased gradually as He became weaker moment by moment.

By the end of the third hour, His agony was at its peak. He had come to the point where His strength simply gave out and He suffocated. In this eternal moment as He died, He gave us His life. Transcending time, this moment of divine love is present to us in the tabernacles of the world.

Thank you, Lord. We adore you O Christ and we praise you. By your holy cross, you have redeemed the world! ]

Additional recent answers by Fr. Vincent Serpa
our dear Lord suffered so much 😦
 
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