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I know that the Church teaches that earthly suffering can be put to good use, ie, offered up for various causes, especially for those suffering in Purgatory. But I don’t quite understand why. I think it has something to do with Jesus suffering on the Cross for us, but I’m not sure… Does suffering transform into some sort of heavenly currency, to be handed out to those in Purgatory, or to sinners in need of conversion? 😛 I’m only half joking there.

Another issue: if suffering is so good, and so useful to offer up, then why use medicine? Shouldn’t we, theoretically, embrace every chance to suffer, and therefore want it to last as long as possible, as to have more to offer up? For example, I have chronic knee pain. I offer it up everyday as I walk all of 10mins to work. But I am currently waiting to see a doctor about it. (the Canadian health-care paradox: if you’re willing to wait, it’s free! :rolleyes: ) But should I try to cure it? Or should I, instead, walk as much as possible so as to offer up my suffering, until my bones fuse together from the abuse, or whatever?

I’m not questioning Church teaching here, just trying to understand it.
 
Wow, what a deep topic!

I am a new Catholic, but it was the answer the Church had concerning suffering that drew me home.

As I understand it, it is Christ’s suffering that is redemptive. But as members of His Body, the Church, we are called to participate in His redemption, and when we are sent suffering in this life, through whatever means it comes to us, we are to offer it up to join to His own sufferings, it is our participation in the redemptive process.

Now, as far as whether we are to seek out suffering or to try to alleviate suffering, I can only say this, that Christ himself asked the Father to take the cup of suffering from him, but ultimately that the Father’s will be done. So I don’t think it’s necessarily scriptural to seek out suffering or to not ask for a way out, but to always defer to the will of the Father ultimately.

Does this make any sense at all?😊
 
Wow, what a deep topic!

Now, as far as whether we are to seek out suffering or to try to alleviate suffering, I can only say this, that Christ himself asked the Father to take the cup of suffering from him, but ultimately that the Father’s will be done. So I don’t think it’s necessarily scriptural to seek out suffering or to not ask for a way out, but to always defer to the will of the Father ultimately.

Does this make any sense at all?😊
That really makes sense! I totally forgot about that… I guess we can pray for our suffering to end, but that God’s will be done, and if His will is suffering, then to embrace it… But I’m still confused as to the redemptive suffering stuff. I think I’m starting to understand it better, but I’d like a few more explanations, just to make sure…
 
I hope this does not break forum rules. It’s not online anywhere, but it is such a beautiful answer the the OP’s question, I am quoting it in full.
Fr Larry Adamczyk:
Nobody likes to suffer, yet in his letter to the Colossians, St Paul writes, “Now I REJOICE in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the Church.” First, why does St. Paul rejoice in his sufferings and secondly, how can he fill up what is lacking in the sufferings of Christ. The Servant of God, Pope John Paul the Great wrote an Apostolic Letter on this topic in 1984 called Salvifici Doloris, or Salvific Suffering. He begins by talking about “the joy that comes from the discovery of the meaning of suffering.” The first thing to remember is the difference between pain and suffering. Pain is a physical sensation that something is wrong with the body. Pain need not be tolerated and medicine or approved medical techniques should be used to alleviate pain. Suffering comes from our own inner desire to have something that we do not possess. One question I’ve often gotten from older people who are sick is “Why does God keep me around?” Some people in trying to understand suffering reach the point of actually denying God, thinking that this pain comes from God or if God were real then He could get rid of this suffering. But this is precisely the nature of evil. Something is evil because it does not fit into God’s rational and ordered plan for the universe. If we could fit suffering into a rational plan then it would not be so evil. “Salvation,” the Pope writes, “means liberation from evil, and for this reason it is closely bound up with the problem of suffering. . .and the definitive suffering: the loss of eternal life.” Christ shared in the depth of that suffering. For while Jesus knew no sin, He became sin for us and took upon His shoulders all our sins. For as Pope John Paul has written, “In the Cross of Christ not only is the Redemption accomplished through suffering, but also human suffering ITSELF has been redeemed. . . Man, discovering through faith, the redemptive suffering of Christ, also discovers in it, his own sufferings.” Suffering, then when united to Christ’s suffering on the cross, can have meaning because it has become redemptive, if we but unite it to Christ. As St. Paul writes in the Second Letter to the Corinthians, “For as we share abundantly in Christ’s sufferings, so through Christ we share abundantly in comfort too.” As long as we unite our suffering to Christ on the Cross, just as Jesus was raised up on the third day, so to our own suffering, when done in union with Christ, will lead to eternal life and Resurrection on the last day. If we hold on to our suffering, and refuse to offer it up, it simply weighs us down and drags us further away from God. But how can we “fill up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church.” “Does that mean that the Redemption achieved by Christ is not complete?” Pope John Paul responds, " No. It only means that the Redemption, . . . remains always open to all love expressed in human suffering. . . Christ achieved the Redemption completely and to the very limits but at the same time He did not bring it to a close. . . For, at the same time, this Redemption, even though it was completely achieved by Christ’s suffering, lives on and in its own special way develops in the history of man. It lives and develops as the body of Christ, the Church, and in this dimension every human suffering, by reason of the loving union with Christ, completes the suffering of Christ." In other words, the Church, which is the Mystical Body of Christ, in order to be conformed to Christ and made in His image and likeness, must suffer. The Church exists in time and space and so, not only our own sufferings, but the sufferings of generations who are yet to come, are part of that Mystical Body of Christ. Therefore, because the Church exists in time, each generation must appropriate to itself the sufferings of Christ. The suffering of Christ on the Cross, two thousand years ago, was more than sufficient for our salvation. While Christ’s suffering were abundantly sufficient to save each and every person ever created, Christ’s sacrifice is not complete until we have accepted that suffering into our own lives and it comes to fruition in the Resurrection to eternal life. The Servant of God, Pope John Paul II, not only explained to us the redemptive power of suffering by his words but he showed it to us in the way he lived his life. When he was afflicted with Parkinson’s disease in his later years, Pope John Paul did not allow his physical ailments to deter him from his mission. Pope John Paul showed us not only with his words but also with his life how to “fill up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the Church.”
Betsy
 
I ran out of space in the previous post. This homily was given this past Sunday, the 16th Sunday of Ordinary Time, year C. The text is Colossians 1:24-28. Everybody else preached on Martha and Mary that day, but the forgotten second reading got a great treatment at Fr. Larry’s Mass.

Betsy
 
I ran out of space in the previous post. This homily was given this past Sunday, the 16th Sunday of Ordinary Time, year C. The text is Colossians 1:24-28. Everybody else preached on Martha and Mary that day, but the forgotten second reading got a great treatment at Fr. Larry’s Mass.

Betsy
Great, Betsy! I haven’t read Salvifici Doloris in a couple of years, and this was a wonderful recap of that JPII Apostolic Letter, perfect for this thread and hopefully helped the OP with her understanding, I know I found it helpful.

Salvifici Doloris was one of the first writings of JPII I had read, I wasn’t a Catholic yet, but I knew I was on my way! 😃
 
I know that the Church teaches that earthly suffering can be put to good use, ie, offered up for various causes, especially for those suffering in Purgatory. But I don’t quite understand why. I think it has something to do with Jesus suffering on the Cross for us, but I’m not sure… Does suffering transform into some sort of heavenly currency, to be handed out to those in Purgatory, or to sinners in need of conversion?

I’m not questioning Church teaching here, just trying to understand it.
I had the same question - how does our suffering united with the suffering of Christ become redemptive for someone else?

The quote from Fr Larry Adamczyk and StCsDavid’s writing are both very good.

Here is a simple answer I got from my spiritual director with my understanding from his explanation:

When we offer up our suffering and unite them with the Cross, we are honoring and glorifying God. By honoring and glorifying God, lot of grace are gained. God will use that grace. If we offer up our suffering for a specific person, the grace can benefit that person.
If we didn’t specify, or that person does not need it, God will allocate that grace to whoever he wants to bestow.

That is how our offered up suffering can become redemptive.

My SD’s explanation is simple and makes sense. I hope this helps.
 
I am thinking about all of your answers, and I think I’m am understanding it better now. Thank you all!!!
 
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