Sui Juris churches

[BVMFatima]

Hello, I don’t know where else I should post this, but my question is as a Catholic of the Western Church, am I suppose to call myself a Roman Rite Catholic or Latin? What does the Catholic Church call the Western Church? Does it call it the Roman Catholic Church? This is a topic I am very confused on. Thanks God Bless

 

[Cristiano]

Hello, I don’t know where else I should post this, but my question is as a Catholic of the Western Church, am I suppose to call myself a Roman Rite Catholic or Latin? What does the Catholic Church call the Western Church? Does it call it the Roman Catholic Church? This is a topic I am very confused on. Thanks God Bless

There is not Roman Rite. There is the Roman Catholic Church and that includes the Latin Church (in common lingo they are often used as synonyms). The Latin Church includes more then one rite but the most known one is the Latin Rite (e.g. Ambrosian Rite from Milan is another). You can say that you are a member of the Roman Catholic Church, a member of the Latin Church, and a follower of he Latin Rite.

 

[ConstantineTG]

There is not Roman Rite. There is the Roman Catholic Church and that includes the Latin Church (in common lingo they are often used as synonyms). The Latin Church includes more then one rite but the most known one is the Latin Rite (e.g. Ambrosian Rite from Milan is another). You can say that you are a member of the Roman Catholic Church, a member of the Latin Church, and a follower of he Latin Rite.

The Roman Rite is the Mass.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Hello, I don’t know where else I should post this, but my question is as a Catholic of the Western Church, am I suppose to call myself a Roman Rite Catholic or Latin? What does the Catholic Church call the Western Church? Does it call it the Roman Catholic Church? This is a topic I am very confused on. Thanks God Bless

You call yourself Roman Catholic.

 

[Cristiano]

The Roman Rite is the Mass.

Where do you find that statement in the Vatican documents outside Allatae Sunt?

 

[ConstantineTG]

Where do you find that statement in the Vatican documents outside Allatae Sunt?

Summorum Pontificum

Afterwards, however, it soon became apparent that a good number of people remained strongly attached to this usage of the Roman Rite

^Referring to the Extraordinary Form

Pope John Paul II thus felt obliged to provide, in his Motu Proprio Ecclesia Dei (2 July 1988), guidelines for the use of the 1962 Missal; that document, however, did not contain detailed prescriptions but appealed in a general way to the generous response of Bishops towards the “legitimate aspirations” of those members of the faithful who requested this usage of the Roman Rite.

^Again referring to the EF

Already from these concrete presuppositions, it is clearly seen that the new Missal will certainly remain the ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, not only on account of the juridical norms, but also because of the actual situation of the communities of the faithful.

^Obviously referring to the OF

For that matter, the two Forms of the usage of the Roman Rite can be mutually enriching: new Saints and some of the new Prefaces can and should be inserted in the old Missal.

^Talking about the OF and EF

 

[tabycat]

There is not Roman Rite. There is the Roman Catholic Church and that includes the Latin Church (in common lingo they are often used as synonyms). The Latin Church includes more then one rite but the most known one is the Latin Rite (e.g. Ambrosian Rite from Milan is another). You can say that you are a member of the Roman Catholic Church, a member of the Latin Church, and a follower of he Latin Rite.

If my momery is right, the Roman rite was considered the ‘best’ of the Western (Latin) rites because it was used in Rome.

 

[Cristiano]

Summorum Pontificum

Thanks, I stand corrected.

 

[twf]

In canon law and other official Church documents, the terminology is typically defined as follows:

*Latin Church *- the Western Church sui iuris under the immediate leadership of the Bishop of Rome which primarily worships according to the Roman Rite - comprised of over 2000 local particular churches (dioceses or equivalent) including the Diocese of Rome itself

Roman Rite - the primary liturgy of the Latin Church, including both the Ordinary and Extraordinary Forms

Roman Church - typically the Diocese of Rome itself - the particular local church which holds primacy among the multitude of local churches comprising the global Latin Church - more typically known as the Holy See

 

[BVMFatima]

In canon law and other official Church documents, the terminology is typically defined as follows:

*Latin Church *- the Western Church sui iuris under the immediate leadership of the Bishop of Rome which primarily worships according to the Roman Rite - comprised of over 2000 local particular churches (dioceses or equivalent) including the Diocese of Rome itself

Roman Rite - the primary liturgy of the Latin Church, including both the Ordinary and Extraordinary Forms

Roman Church - typically the Diocese of Rome itself - the particular local church which holds primacy among the multitude of local churches comprising the global Latin Church - more typically known as the Holy See

So does this mean i call myself a Latin Catholic? Well why does my Church call itself Roman Catholic?

 

[Cristiano]

So does this mean i call myself a Latin Catholic? Well why does my Church call itself Roman Catholic?

The Roman Catholic Church is not the same of the Roman Church. Roman Catholic Church is also used as the sum of all The Catholic Churches in union with Rome. My suggestion is that you do not worry too much about these details.

 

[fijiq48]

So to put this in a simple way, A Sui Juris is a specific church within the Mother Church as i like to call it and a rite is a form of Holy Mass,Holy Qurbana,etc that a number of Sui Juris follow? For example: the Chaldean Catholic Church and the Syro Malabar Church follow the East Syrian Rite. Is that the correlation between Rites and Sui Juris?

 

[BVMFatima]

The Roman Catholic Church is not the same of the Roman Church. Roman Catholic Church is also used as the sum of all The Catholic Churches in union with Rome. My suggestion is that you do not worry too much about these details.

I disagree, the Whole Entire Catholic Church is not Roman, go to a Byzantine Catholic and call them Roman Catholic and they will be offended.

My question was what to call myself since I belong to the Western Church.

 

[Peter_J]

If my momery is right, the Roman rite was considered the ‘best’ of the Western (Latin) rites because it was used in Rome.

Since the Council of Trent, all Western rites except the Roman Rite have been restricted to locations where they already existed for at least 200 years. Some Western Rites ceased to exist entirely.

 

[Peter_J]

I disagree, the Whole Entire Catholic Church is not Roman, go to a Byzantine Catholic and call them Roman Catholic and they will be offended.

I used to use the term “Roman Catholic”, but I’ve recently started avoiding it, b/c it’s used either to mean “in communion with Rome” or as a substitute for “Latin Catholic”.

 

[twf]

So does this mean i call myself a Latin Catholic? Well why does my Church call itself Roman Catholic?

Canonically you are a Latin Catholic - a member of the Church sui iuris that canon law identifies as the Latin Church. As you worship and receive the sacraments according to the Roman Rite you are also a Roman Catholic by spirituality. A Melkite Catholic belongs to the Melkite Church but may also be identified as a Byzantine Catholic by virtue of his rite and spirituality. At least that’s how I see it.

 

[BVMFatima]

Canonically you are a Latin Catholic - a member of the Church sui iuris that canon law identifies as the Latin Church. As you worship and receive the sacraments according to the Roman Rite you are also a Roman Catholic by spirituality. A Melkite Catholic belongs to the Melkite Church but may also be identified as a Byzantine Catholic by virtue of his rite and spirituality. At least that’s how I see it.

The Latin Church is also called the Roman Church because we are the Church established in Rome, So that’s another reason we are called Roman Catholics.