suicide a sin?

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I have read the divine comedy. The ones that suicided where in hell.

But I was wondering if God is all forgiven. Then why not suicide. I mean if God breaks someone or gives him a cross to heavy. How are we suposed to carry?

I dont understand our lord who is in heaven. To depressed to go to church even. No one understands me. People think I troll. I am.just sensitive, and all my friends left me not that I ever had a good friend.
 
You can’t suicide. That is not an option. With the exception of Judas Iscariot God put us all on this Earth so we may live and serve him in holiness and truth. That is why he gave us life, so we may serve Him. If we throw our life away we are basically saying to Him that we don’t want his gift. That, refusing a gift, is in most countries and cultures considered a very grave insult so you just imagine how our tender Lord would feel about someone who committed such a sin. Life is a testing ground, a battleground. God put you and everyone else who ever lived for a reason, and with the exception of JI that is a good reason. He is a winner and He NEVER creates losers. Rationality and honor are as much part of his persona as is goodness and truth and he would never damage his honor by creating a loser human being - if you remember His golden commandment is to love others as we love ourselves and you can bet anything He would never deviate from that rule with the exception of JI. What all this means is that He expects you to make the most of His gift of life. In the Bible He gets very angry at a servant who does nothing, well he’s going to be infinitely angrier with a servant who kills himself. Go pray a rosary, make a good confession, steer clear from this sex worker whatever you do and pick yourself up. God and many others will be right behind you.
 
Life is a gift, and we are not the owners of life. We are in God’s hands. Suicide is a refusal of God’s lordship and an act of despair; it is an act of independence before God, in which we take life in our own hands. So it is a sin.
However, we are not the ones who judge the one who commits suicide. God is the only one who judges with fairness and compassion, because he is the only one who knows us inside out, better than we know ourselves.
Surely, there are terrible moments in life, moments of loneliness and despair, when our hearts and minds may break down. There are moments of darkness, when we cannot see light at the end of the tunnel. We cannot judge anybody on that situation, and should not start pointing out fingers and making accusations. In those moments, it seems as if God does not exist, or then he has totally abandoned us. In those terrible moments, accompany Jesus to Gethsemane, feel the pain of his heart and share with him your pain. Read the book of Job, who went through moments of darkness and despair. Pray with the psalms, like psalm 22, which Jesus prayed on the cross.
I pray with you and for you. May God bless you, and give peace and joy to your heart.
 
Yehuda_Dion said:
You can’t suicide. That is not an option. With the exception of Judas Iscariot God put us all on this Earth so we may live and serve him in holiness and truth. That is why he gave us life, so we may serve Him. If we throw our life away we are basically saying to Him that we don’t want his gift. That, refusing a gift, is in most countries and cultures considered a very grave insult so you just imagine how our tender Lord would feel about someone who committed such a sin. Life is a testing ground, a battleground. God put you and everyone else who ever lived for a reason, and with the exception of JI that is a good reason. He is a winner and He NEVER creates losers. Rationality and honor are as much part of his persona as is goodness and truth and he would never damage his honor by creating a loser human being - if you remember His golden commandment is to love others as we love ourselves and you can bet anything He would never deviate from that rule with the exception of JI. What all this means is that He expects you to make the most of His gift of life. In the Bible He gets very angry at a servant who does nothing, well he’s going to be infinitely angrier with a servant who kills himself. Go pray a rosary, make a good confession, steer clear from this sex worker whatever you do and pick yourself up. God and many others will be right behind you.
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The sex worker was the only one that ever loved me. I can’t feel Gods love, and he put me in this place. If I suicide it just means he gave me to much, I try to sit still and pray but Gods not there. I can’t find him, I pray therosary he is gone, I go to confession he’s gone.

I cannot get in touch with God he is out of my life, I try to sit still, I try to go to church, I try to do everything I can. But it’s hopeless. I cannot help anyone like this, God probably has no plans with me either. If he wanted a good servant he should have made me stronger, he made me weak, he made me fragile, and he gave me mental and bodily ilnesses. I can’t take this anymore, I feel like getting in the car with a bottle of whiskey and pushin it to the limit.

But no I keep trying to find God, but he left me he left me. Why can’t the holy ghost reach me when I sit still and pray. Why can’t God reach me? I set aside my hate everything, I just feel so ****in bad, I feel like going to die. It’s Gods will, cause he is nowhere to be found…
 
Thou Shalt Not Kill. Suicide breaks that commandment, I’d say it’s definitely a sin.
 
Meemai said:
The sex worker was the only one that ever loved me. I can’t feel Gods love, and he put me in this place. If I suicide it just means he gave me to much, I try to sit still and pray but Gods not there. I can’t find him, I pray therosary he is gone, I go to confession he’s gone.

I cannot get in touch with God he is out of my life, I try to sit still, I try to go to church, I try to do everything I can. But it’s hopeless. I cannot help anyone like this, God probably has no plans with me either. If he wanted a good servant he should have made me stronger, he made me weak, he made me fragile, and he gave me mental and bodily ilnesses. I can’t take this anymore, I feel like getting in the car with a bottle of whiskey and pushin it to the limit.

But no I keep trying to find God, but he left me he left me. Why can’t the holy ghost reach me when I sit still and pray. Why can’t God reach me? I set aside my hate everything, I just feel so ****in bad, I feel like going to die. It’s Gods will, cause he is nowhere to be found…
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Hello Meemai,
You say you can’t get in touch with God and that he is out of your life. You also admit to being weak. Life doesn’t have much going for it without God in our lives, so “thou shalt not kill” looses it meaning to a certain degree. God never intended us to live without him. If we could live without him then we would not need him.
You admit to being weak. That admittance is a strength because you recognise your need for God. He isn’t as far away from you as you think. You are trying to reach God but are weak. The reality is God wants to reach you because you can’t reach him.
Two things. STOP hating yourself! Be gentle with yourself. Make the second a golden rule. Be gentle with yourself. You are trying too hard! The hard is impossible when we are weak. Gentleness is a fruit of the spirit. Being gentle with yourself is an important part of loving yourself.
Choosing your friends carefully is also a part of loving yourself. What good are friends who direct us to living lives of sin? They may offer only a false “love” because they take us away from God.
The devil would have us all hate ourselves. Suicide is ultimate self hatred. God wants us to love our own person because God does love us. Think of it this way. If you were not lovable then Jesus would not have suffered and died on the cross for you. He is God’s message that with all of your faults and failings etc you are precious in God’s sight. What worldly treasure can compete with you? Satan offered Jesus all the treasures of the world and Jesus declined. If you were the only person in the world then Jesus would still have went through what he did for you. That’s the truth of it.
So start by being GENTLE with yourself. Be assured that God does love you. Stop listening to the devil’s hatred towards you. Love yourself because God truly does.

May God bless and protect you forever. I will hold you in my prayers.
 
Lisa1967 said:
I am praying for you. Please get some counseling.
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They are going to talk about what to do with me, my psychologist etc. But they don’t even really what to do perse. I feel lost, and well all sucks… I feel like I’m going trough a dark night of my soul, just like how John of the cross wrote it.
 
After reading many NDEs I tried suicide. It’s a trap. People fall into a trap where they believe life only has meaning if there is pleasure, or that God will consider their suffering and let them enter into heaven–that is, presuming God’s mercy.

I cannot make you stop suffering, but I will tell you this. God is the best writer there is. All the happy people in this world who cause pain and are indifferent to being good or loving will meet the hand of justice. Similarly those who suffer much in this life and mourn will be blessed. It says so in the beatitudes. Considering that God coupled suffering to His glory, the more we suffer now, the more glory we may have in heaven. The people you see living the good life are missing that point and the poetic reversal that God promises. Pray for faith so you can understand this. I will keep you in my prayers.
 
The Church teaches that God loves everyone beyond our understanding. Every single person that has ever or will ever live was created out of love. We are all created in the image of God.

God loves you, Meemai. He doesn’t give you a cross beyond what you can bear. Understanding this was hard for me, it seemed like mine were so heavy I couldn’t bear them. But they are bearable with His help.

Please see a priest, and if you ever have thoughts about harming yourself, call an emergency or crisis line or your psychologist. God does NOT want you to harm yourself.
 
Please seek counseling. Sometimes there is a chemical imbalance which has nothing to do with mental health but physical in nature, just like thyroid issues or adhd. I can relate with you being that not once but three times I nearly lost it. I had autistic tendencies as a child I had to work hard in overcoming, so at 13 I was hospitalized for depression. Finally by age 14 onward, things came together. The second time was when both my mom and sister was sick with terminal cancer, my mom died first, than my sister, nearly lost it yet somehow God gave me a dream of my mom comforting me and bringing peace into my life. Third time was when my soon to be ex-husband abandoned me, taking my two kids from me while nearly 8 months pregnant. That baby saved my life-had to be strong for her. She is now ten and doing well. I got my two kids back. Somehow-God pulled me through when things was bad. I am now going to school on my post-911 GI Bill (yes-I got into the air force with 5 waivers and a reservist) and been through hell personally yet somehow, when things are awful, a window opens up. My two kids have aspergers, I may have it too-so now I know the reason about my odd childhood and at peace with it. My youngest-that baby that saved my life-with mild aspergers is a joy to me. Very sociable and thankfully wasn’t affected much by the episodes. My oldest is getting ready to train to drive a school bus-yes he is an adult and doing well. I know depression sucks, yet God wants us to be happy and find joy in little things. I worked up at Dover AFB and saw a member who took his own life-and my heart went out to him and his family. Friends are affected too-losing a close friend from suicide. It is not the answer or a solution. Please, whatever you do, try to stay strong in faith not only for God but for those who cares for you. There are more folks that cares for you than you realize-believe me. If not for my faith, my air force family, friends-I wouldn’t be here now. God puts people in our lives for a reason, maybe even to test our faith. Oh-I forgot to mention that my dad disowned me also after the divorce, and blamed me for my middle child’s autism. Yet-he seemed to have forgotten about me and my childhood struggles. I gave it all to God and focus on my kids and getting my education. Oh-I stayed in SC too to keep that distance from my dad (in Indiana) and my ex-husband (in MS). For my own mental stability-being around positive Christian folks helps a lot. Please hang in there a little longer, I keep thinking of Mindy McGready-the country musician with a beautiful voice who gave up too easily-a bad choice. Please seek help with your parish priest or call the crisis hotline number, or 211-they have resources too. Don’t give up, don’t do it. Reading about the saints and their struggles may provide encouragement may help too. St Francis of Assisi was my hero-with his dad disowning him and his love of the poor folks-kept strong when the going was tough-had too-for my kids. Now I am at peace and doing fine-the storm will pass for you too. Please don’t take the “easy” way out-you must try to trust God. Hugs…
 
In the case of severe clinical depression, the mind doesn’t think right. There are other diagnosis of mental illness that affect the thinking. In these cases, we cannot judge a person who attempts, or succeeds, suicide. Suicide is still wrong, but there is a bit of an argument, I think, for those with a diagnosis of mental illness. Not to say that such a person shouldn’t seek out help, but that we should be more understanding and supportive.

Meemai, I understand your pain. I lived with it for years. It often comes back to haunt me, but doesn’t rule my life as it once did. There are still times when I question the benefit of this life, but have to take on trust that God is still in charge. Let me put it this way, say you called in an emergency. The fire trucks/cops/ ambulance or whatever appropriate emergency vehicle appropriate, will come to help. We take on trust that they are coming because of our call. We call on God, and wait for his answer. It is hard waiting sometimes.

I know it’s hard dealing with this, I also have been diagnosed with mental illness. But keep going to church, go to confession often (only don’t pester the priest with the same sin everytime) and take communion.

Let me finish by saying, I trust that you can get through this. Why? Because I believe that God can, and will, use this to help you. In fact, he may just be waiting to see if you will submit to him. I trust you because I trust God.
 
Meemai, the Lord Jesus and Blessed Mother love you. The Lord is usually closest to us when we cannot feel him and/or are in great pain. However, quite often that doesn’t become apparent until the situation has passed.

You said in one of your posts, that you cannot help anyone when you are like this or be a good servant of the Lord. Actually you can. Here are the words of St. Paul in his letter to the Colossians, verse 1:24: “Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church…”

Unite your sufferings to the Lord and ask him to use them for your own healing and to the benefit of other members of the church. May God bless you and keep you safe.
 
Meemai,

Please don’t give up on yourself or on God. He has not left you, you just aren’t letting Him in. Keeping praying. go to Mass, sit in the back, you don’t even need to follow what is going on. Just sit there and be open to the Holy Spirit trying to touch you.

I have been where you are and in my own way try to get my life to end. After many years of fighting letting God love me, I found hope and love. I now have 3 children I physically should never have been able to have. I take medicine for my anxiety, which I will need forever.

You need to find a good therapist, but you also need to let them help you. There is so much more to life than what you have now, but it will take some effort on your part to let God guide you. Hold on and let others help you. You are worth it. Praying for you.
 
thomasf said:
Thou Shalt Not Kill. Suicide breaks that commandment, I’d say it’s definitely a sin.
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Thanks for your empathy. This person has a serious problem he needs help with and you are just blowing him off. :rolleyes:
 
There are a lot of people out there with this attitude. Now, I would agree that attempting suicide in order to “pay back” someone who hurt you is wrong. But most suicide successful or not are due to a severe depression or other mental incapacity. To put it one way, one day I was in a group and mentioned feeling like there was no light at the end of the tunnel. One of the men said, “there’s a light there. It’s the train coming.” How do you deal with that feeling?
 
Christy_Beth said:
There are a lot of people out there with this attitude. Now, I would agree that attempting suicide in order to “pay back” someone who hurt you is wrong. But most suicide successful or not are due to a severe depression or other mental incapacity. To put it one way, one day I was in a group and mentioned feeling like there was no light at the end of the tunnel. One of the men said, “there’s a light there. It’s the train coming.” How do you deal with that feeling?
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With courage. God doesn’t share his friendship with cowards, and if He gives them a place in Heaven, it’s probably substandard.
 
Christy_Beth said:
There are a lot of people out there with this attitude. Now, I would agree that attempting suicide in order to “pay back” someone who hurt you is wrong. But most suicide successful or not are due to a severe depression or other mental incapacity. To put it one way, one day I was in a group and mentioned feeling like there was no light at the end of the tunnel. One of the men said, “there’s a light there. It’s the train coming.” How do you deal with that feeling?
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I’ve thought about it too, but my anger is at God. If in fact He loves me like everyone says he does, why am I not feeling it? I figure the best way to get back at Him is to end my life and be condemned to Hell. If the only way I can hurt Him is to deny Him my soul, then so be it.
 
Meemai said:
I have read the divine comedy. The ones that suicided where in hell.

But I was wondering if God is all forgiven. Then why not suicide. I mean if God breaks someone or gives him a cross to heavy. How are we suposed to carry?

I dont understand our lord who is in heaven. To depressed to go to church even. No one understands me. People think I troll. I am.just sensitive, and all my friends left me not that I ever had a good friend.
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In my younger years I did things I shouldn’t have. I have had contact with a demon before and he knew about Hell. And he also commited suicide. He made this very clear. So, based on this, I would say that suicide is a pretty good way to disconnect yourself permanantly from God
 
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