Suicide and how to better understand God's love

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To be entirely honest, I have considered suicide numerous times throughout the past year. Each time, I remember God’s love for me and realize that it is not in His plan for me to die when I have been blessed with the numerous opportunities to help others. Despite this, I occasionally find myself depressed with nobody to turn to but God because I have a secret I can tell to no one. To understand this, I want to both explain my situation and ask for advice:

Growing up, I was blessed with two loving parents who allowed me to develop my faith into what it is today - a strong devotion to God and all the ability to appreciate what he gives us each and every day. I have never had financial problems and I attended the finest private schools in Kentucky before becoming a teacher myself. I admit that I have been blessed in a materialistic sense. As we know, however, money doesn’t buy everything - especially God’s love. I am an active member of my church, yet I struggle with something I have battled my entire life - I am a man who has always felt closer to men than women.

The Bible tells us that homosexuality is an abomination. There is a difference between tolerance and acceptance; I have encountered many people in my life who are gay and I love them in a Christian sense, yet I do not ‘accept’ their unions. We know that marriage is an institution of God which allows us the gift of children. Children, then, are proof of God’s love for us - this I strongly believe. As homosexuals are not able to produce children due to mechanical reproductive isolation (or, in other words, incompatible parts), they are unable to physically represent God’s love. Understanding this, I cannot ‘accept’ myself.

I have never told anyone of my attraction to men - I have even created this profile for the specific reason of trying to find answers that will allow me to somehow fix myself. Even using that word - “fix” - I exert a contradiction because I know there is nothing wrong with me - all of God’s children are perfect. The question I must ask myself is how I may overcome this struggle? Please be open-minded and non-judgmental in understanding that I am not crazy - I am trusted with educating your children.

I am educated enough to understand that no gay person fits into a neatly defined box we can label “gay.” One of my friends who I hunted with, fished with, played football with, and simply never conceived as being gay in any stereotypical fashion ended up coming out to me the summer before we parted ways and went to college in different states. I assured him he was still my friend and nothing changed between us for many years. That is, until he accepted a position as an IT specialist at the institution where I teach, putting us back into contact. Knowing that I attend church regularly, we began a discussion that led to him asking me, “Does your church accept gays?” I replied honestly: “No.” This slippery slope led me to thoughtfully asking him to reconsider his relationship with his partner, which I could tell upset him. I told him that I could not accept him or his relationship as valid in the eyes of God and asked him to please not give up on God. The conversation ended with him essentially saying ‘loving God is hard when I am bombarded by messages like this.’ This person was my absolute best friend who knows me better than any other person alive, and now he avoids me because I hurt his feelings and I avoid him because I can never tell him how sorry I am because I wish I could be open about myself.

Please do not think I am saying all homosexuals are confused. My difficulty in expressing myself comes from having these feelings deep inside of me that I can tell no one - I am resorting to this online forum full of strangers to ask for advice, yet I know that we are not really strangers at all - we are a family through Christ.

I am trying my hardest to not say I am gay. I have tried every way possible to justify homosexuality. In my college days I met a man, who’ll will call “John,” who I felt a connection to. I felt “normal” with him. We never acted on any lustful impulse and because of his similar Catholic upbringing, we never even talked about certain lusts because we both already realized they were not an option. We were happy in complete secret. I ended up telling John that I was not gay and that we both needed to find help. He was devastated and to this day I can never forgive myself for hurting him, although I feel that was the decision I was supposed to make? This is what led me to first consider suicide. I thought about sitting in the garage and turning the car on, letting the gas take me away. Through God’s love, I was saved.

I want to say, more than anything, that I will just live my life and strive to always help my students achieve greater and greater expectations, but I so badly want to adopt and raise a child with John. Yes, I loved him more than anyone else I have ever met, and I feel like I’m ripped in half when I see him and have to pretend I barely know him.

I have considered suicide in the past, yet I cannot let those around me down and I cannot forsake all that God has given me. I feel like a coward by telling that I have thought of suicide, but I want to feel brave by at least putting this somewhere. Although my family and friends accept and love me - even if they did find out about John and I - I want God to also love me (although I know he already does?). If you have taken the time to read this, I sincerely thank you. If you or someone you know has ever experienced this pain, please let me know how you have coped with it or ever overcame it.
 
You need to call Courage. They can help you with all of this. Please please call them. They’re amazing.

The Courage Central Office can be reached at:

Courage International, Inc.
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Phone: (203) 803-1564
 
I can’t offer you much, except my prayers. I know it’s a tremendous cross to bear to have same-sex attraction. Please do call Courage, I have heard many good things about them.
 
Sweetheart, I’m not from the same religion as you, as I’m here to find answers for my friend, but I hope that my words will mean something to you as I was raised with part Christian beliefs too, and most religions do have the same underlining morals as mine.
You can’t put a label on love, and a person’s soul doesn’t fit neatly into little categories or labels. They say that love is unconditional, knows no boundaries, and is indifinable? so why’s it so hard to understand that yeah, you can love somebody who is the same gender as you. They the same things about a person’s soul, everyone is so different, there’s no limitations to the soul, and people are ever changing and growing within themselves, you love who you love, and you’re attracted to the type of person who is most suited to you, if that’s guys, well that’s guys. I’m sure that your God has a plan for you, and that it made you the way that you are for a reason, I’m sure that the right person out there for you, the one that was made for you is of your gender(for whatever reason he will of needed to be male, maybe there’s something he needed to do, or you needed to), and that’s why you’re both the same. But there’s nothing wrong with it ! Christian’s are told to accept other’s for who they are, and that God loves all of it’s children, then God loves you, for WHO you ARE! all of you, even the negative things, or your mistakes, even if you’ve been mean to someone who didn’t deserve it, all of it! God loves you, and to God you are perfect, how could you not be? Accept who you are, and be happy, because you were made to be the way you are for a reason.
I’m so sorry that you’re feeling suicidal, I’m sure that this is another sign that you’re going against what you were meant to be. Honestly, I just want to give you a big hug and tell you that it is truely okay!
Please remember, the bible was written by a man, word of God or not… man is prone to sin and perhaps things weren’t written entirely to God’s word, if you think about that, it truely explains a lot! It’s also likely that a lot of things are so easily misunderstood.
You know your God, you know it wouldn’t of made you to be something that is truely “wrong”
God also made several other animals, which are capable of loving and being attracted to the same sex, God even made some that can switch their own gender ! So it’s not so unbelievable that God making you gay is everything but bad.
 
Sweetheart, I’m not from the same religion as you, as I’m here to find answers for my friend, but I hope that my words will mean something to you as I was raised with part Christian beliefs too, and most religions do have the same underlining morals as mine.
You can’t put a label on love, and a person’s soul doesn’t fit neatly into little categories or labels. They say that love is unconditional, knows no boundaries, and is indifinable? so why’s it so hard to understand that yeah, you can love somebody who is the same gender as you. They the same things about a person’s soul, everyone is so different, there’s no limitations to the soul, and people are ever changing and growing within themselves, you love who you love, and you’re attracted to the type of person who is most suited to you, if that’s guys, well that’s guys. I’m sure that your God has a plan for you, and that it made you the way that you are for a reason, I’m sure that the right person out there for you, the one that was made for you is of your gender(for whatever reason he will of needed to be male, maybe there’s something he needed to do, or you needed to), and that’s why you’re both the same. But there’s nothing wrong with it ! Christian’s are told to accept other’s for who they are, and that God loves all of it’s children, then God loves you, for WHO you ARE! all of you, even the negative things, or your mistakes, even if you’ve been mean to someone who didn’t deserve it, all of it! God loves you, and to God you are perfect, how could you not be? Accept who you are, and be happy, because you were made to be the way you are for a reason.
I’m so sorry that you’re feeling suicidal, I’m sure that this is another sign that you’re going against what you were meant to be. Honestly, I just want to give you a big hug and tell you that it is truely okay!
Please remember, the bible was written by a man, word of God or not… man is prone to sin and perhaps things weren’t written entirely to God’s word, if you think about that, it truely explains a lot! It’s also likely that a lot of things are so easily misunderstood.
You know your God, you know it wouldn’t of made you to be something that is truely “wrong”
God also made several other animals, which are capable of loving and being attracted to the same sex, God even made some that can switch their own gender ! So it’s not so unbelievable that God making you gay is everything but bad.
I know you mean well, but it’s rather bad manners to come to a Catholic forum and tell Catholics not to worry about precepts of our Church that are indeed, very important. Please don’t do that any more. It causes disruption and confusion. We as Catholics accept people with same-sex attraction but we cannot accept homosexual marriage, etc. This forum member understands and is not asking for support for his urges. He’s asking for support to continue to fight those urges. You as a “Pagan Christian” can’t relate to that.
 
I know you mean well, but it’s rather bad manners to come to a Catholic forum and tell Catholics not to worry about precepts of our Church that are indeed, very important. Please don’t do that any more. It causes disruption and confusion. We as Catholics accept people with same-sex attraction but we cannot accept homosexual marriage, etc. This forum member understands and is not asking for support for his urges. He’s asking for support to continue to fight those urges. You as a “Pagan Christian” can’t relate to that.
That’s not what I’m doing at all, I was looking for some advice for my (catholic) friend, and found this, it honestly makes me so sad for him. I’m sure that God accepts all forms of marriage.
I don’t believe you known anything of what I can relate to, going by that comment you’ve made.
I’m not telling him to give in to any lustful urges, as a 22 year old virgin I don’t support the concept of sex before marriage to the one you’re meant to be with, I am encouraging him to accept himself, as he’s been made the way that he is for a reason, we all are.
One of the reason’s I believe, all knowing God will have made people gay, can you imagine the rate of adoption? a lot of heterosexual couples don’t even consider adopting but for gay couples it is something they see as part of their lives and future. There are so many possible reasons, but there is definitely a reason for us being the way that we are fundamentally.
If you were meant to go against who you are, it wouldn’t be hurting you like this, you would be feeling better:(
 
That’s not what I’m doing at all, I was looking for some advice for my (catholic) friend, and found this, it honestly makes me so sad for him. I’m sure that God accepts all forms of marriage.
I don’t believe you known anything of what I can relate to, going by that comment you’ve made.
I’m not telling him to give in to any lustful urges, as a 22 year old virgin I don’t support the concept of sex before marriage to the one you’re meant to be with, I am encouraging him to accept himself, as he’s been made the way that he is for a reason, we all are.
One of the reason’s I believe, all knowing God will have made people gay, can you imagine the rate of adoption? a lot of heterosexual couples don’t even consider adopting but for gay couples it is something they see as part of their lives and future. There are so many possible reasons, but there is definitely a reason for us being the way that we are fundamentally.
If you were meant to go against who you are, it wouldn’t be hurting you like this, you would be feeling better:(
No, God doesn’t accept all forms of marriage. He made marriage to be between one man and one woman, period.

As I said, I’m sure you mean well, but your opinion on this subject really doesn’t help the OP to bear his cross.
 
That’s not what I’m doing at all, I was looking for some advice for my (catholic) friend, and found this, it honestly makes me so sad for him. I’m sure that God accepts all forms of marriage.
I don’t believe you known anything of what I can relate to, going by that comment you’ve made.
I’m not telling him to give in to any lustful urges, as a 22 year old virgin I don’t support the concept of sex before marriage to the one you’re meant to be with, I am encouraging him to accept himself, as he’s been made the way that he is for a reason, we all are.
One of the reason’s I believe, all knowing God will have made people gay, can you imagine the rate of adoption? a lot of heterosexual couples don’t even consider adopting but for gay couples it is something they see as part of their lives and future. There are so many possible reasons, but there is definitely a reason for us being the way that we are fundamentally.
If you were meant to go against who you are, it wouldn’t be hurting you like this, you would be feeling better:(
Actually about a third of American adults over 25 have considered adoption, one of the reasons you don’t see that amount of adoption is because there aren’t that many infants to adopt in the US, indeed there are more actively trying to adopt than there are infants. Also not that many gays actually want to adopt.

The right choice is often not the easiest or most pleasant choice
 
We know that marriage is an institution of God which allows us the gift of children. Children, then, are proof of God’s love for us - this I strongly believe. As homosexuals are not able to produce children due to mechanical reproductive isolation (or, in other words, incompatible parts), they are unable to physically represent God’s love. Understanding this, I cannot ‘accept’ myself.
I don’t really think that you believe that 🙂 How many people in this world, single or married, are childless, out of various reasons? Do you think that God doesn’t love childless people or that they have the slightest reason to feel abnormal, damned, inferior to those who procreate children? Not to mention that you *already *have children, since you are a teacher - I had a terrific teacher (single, childless, hetero) who used to say that she was the mother of hundreds of children; I’m proud to be one of them and to this day I’m very grateful to her.
So if you accept yourself, you won’t have to hurt John by pretending that you don’t love him; you won’t have to hurt yourself by pretending that you barely know him. You say that he is Catholic too, so I guess he understands better than anyone your reason to remain chaste. As for your wish to start a family and raise children together with John, I’m afraid you won’t find too many encouraging answers here. Is any Catholic member of the forum living in a same-sex partnership? If so, I doubt they will post here saying “follow my example”.
 
I struggled in the past with thoughts of suicide, partly because of my past lifestyle (I am a recovering alcoholic) and partly because of an overly-developed pessimistic personality, to put it lightly. For years, I held on to life for reasons of fear alone – fear of what would happen if I committed the ultimate, permanent solution to temporary problems. I lost three friends to suicide as a younger man, and the pain it caused their respective families, and me, encouraged me to press on until I could find the inner joy that gave me hope. I finally found that joy in Christ and in the Church (I am a convert from protestant Christianity). It took many years, and there are times that I still struggle, but I know that, ultimately, Christ and the Cross reach far beyond any suffering that I endure.

Suffering … what a curious phenomenon. Many sufferings I brought upon myself, but not all. I recall the example that Pope John Paul II gave of dealing with suffering in a manner that glorifies God. His suffering resulted from that over which he had no control, but he endured to the end in a manner that glorified Christ. That said, please never release the hope that Christ gave to us all through His crucifixion and resurrection.

Now, a thought on struggles with same-sex attraction. I am heterosexual, so I cannot claim to understand your struggles completely. I can, however, understand the temptations resulting from the need for a celibate lifestyle. I am divorced, and I am awaiting an annulment. That said, I have finally realized that I was not wired for a committed relationship with a woman, so I have undertaken to examine the importance of maintaining a chaste life. Simply put, I enjoy physical relations as much as any man, but I know that outside of marriage – which can exist only between a man and a woman – I cannot participate in such relations. Accordingly, I have made a choice – a choice to live a celibate life to glorify God. Christ and His Church love you just as much as anyone else, but some of us must commit to not acting on our sexual desires in conflict with the love of God.

I hope this makes some sense and offers some glimmer of hope. May Christ continue to guide you and bring you hope and joy.
 
Ryan_LL, please don’t give up. Last spring Catholic Answers had a radio show on understanding same-sex attractions that might answer a lot of your questions. The guest was Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, and the show aired on April 11, 2012. You can find it by going to the radio section of this website, and you can listen to it through your computer. After posting here I am sure that many prayers are on their way to heaven for you.
 
I want to thank you all for your kind words! Please, let’s not argue - if a person leaves a comment explicitly stating they are not Catholic, I will not get “confused.” I will read an accept all forms of commentary with the understanding that they are not of the same religious background and may not understand mine or your beliefs. That being said, I am so thankful I found this site.

Last night and this morning, I used the search feature and read no less than 500 or so responses to threads concerning homosexuality. I received some private messages with concern for my health and I want to tell everyone that I am NOT considering suicide at the moment - I want that “Teacher of the Year” award too badly to give up so easily!

That being said, I want to say I have come to a few conclusions. While working on my doctorate degree, I have made countless lists of things I need to read, things I want to do, and people I want to interview - always beginning with the affirmative phrase “I will…” to make sure I subconsciously understand that this is something I need to do. I decided to make a list after reading the numerous threads - promising myself honesty - of things that I will do to make myself happy and keep from ever having these terrible thoughts again. I drafted the following:
  1. I will apologize to my John and explain my feelings to him. So much time has passed, but I cannot live with this guilt.
  2. I will apologize to my best friend.
  3. I will live a celibate life to honor God. I have been gay since I can remember; I never chose to be gay and will no longer find it acceptable to let others proclaim it as a “choice.”
  4. I will no longer live in fear.
I always wish to honor God and if this is the path he has chosen for me, then so it shall be. I assure you that if I could choose, I would have a wife, a dog, and the white picket fence, but I would rather be gay, accepting, and happy than struggling any longer. I have absolutely no clue what will happen, but I have to make a change - I know God does not want me as a corpse in a garage. I will continue to love him and honor him in the best way that I can, but I will no longer hide what I feel so many of my friends and family already know. I am gay, and I am loved. It took me finding this forum and reading countless ideas in anguish, but it has given me hope. I want to be honest with myself.
 
All of that sounds great, but do be aware that if you identify as gay, you may have a lot of pressure to become what society says “gay” looks like…including having sex. Keep your eyes on the goal of remaining chaste, you can perhaps keep your same-sex attraction and the cross you bear as a result, for yourself and a few close friends.

Praying for you. And glad you are not suicidal.
 
  1. I will apologize to my John and explain my feelings to him. So much time has passed, but I cannot live with this guilt.
  2. I will apologize to my best friend.
  3. I will live a celibate life to honor God. I have been gay since I can remember; I never chose to be gay and will no longer find it acceptable to let others proclaim it as a “choice.”
  4. I will no longer live in fear.
I always wish to honor God and if this is the path he has chosen for me, then so it shall be. I assure you that if I could choose, I would have a wife, a dog, and the white picket fence, but I would rather be gay, accepting, and happy than struggling any longer. I have absolutely no clue what will happen, but I have to make a change - I know God does not want me as a corpse in a garage. I will continue to love him and honor him in the best way that I can, but I will no longer hide what I feel so many of my friends and family already know. I am gay, and I am loved. It took me finding this forum and reading countless ideas in anguish, but it has given me hope. I want to be honest with myself.
MANY, MANY HUGS TO YOU!! Merry Christmas to you and to all the people you love!!
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I have never told anyone of my attraction to men - I have even created this profile for the specific reason of trying to find answers that will allow me to somehow fix myself. Even using that word - “fix” - I exert a contradiction because I know there is nothing wrong with me - all of God’s children are perfect. The question I must ask myself is how I may overcome this struggle? Please be open-minded and non-judgmental in understanding that I am not crazy - I am trusted with educating your children.

Please do not think I am saying all homosexuals are confused. My difficulty in expressing myself comes from having these feelings deep inside of me that I can tell no one - I am resorting to this online forum full of strangers to ask for advice, yet I know that we are not really strangers at all - we are a family through Christ.

I am trying my hardest to not say I am gay. I have tried every way possible to justify homosexuality. In my college days I met a man, who’ll will call “John,” who I felt a connection to. I felt “normal” with him. We never acted on any lustful impulse and because of his similar Catholic upbringing, we never even talked about certain lusts because we both already realized they were not an option. We were happy in complete secret. I ended up telling John that I was not gay and that we both needed to find help. He was devastated and to this day I can never forgive myself for hurting him, although I feel that was the decision I was supposed to make? This is what led me to first consider suicide. I thought about sitting in the garage and turning the car on, letting the gas take me away. Through God’s love, I was saved.

I want to say, more than anything, that I will just live my life and strive to always help my students achieve greater and greater expectations, but I so badly want to adopt and raise a child with John. Yes, I loved him more than anyone else I have ever met, and I feel like I’m ripped in half when I see him and have to pretend I barely know him.

I have considered suicide in the past, yet I cannot let those around me down and I cannot forsake all that God has given me. I feel like a coward by telling that I have thought of suicide, but I want to feel brave by at least putting this somewhere. Although my family and friends accept and love me - even if they did find out about John and I - I want God to also love me (although I know he already does?). If you have taken the time to read this, I sincerely thank you. If you or someone you know has ever experienced this pain, please let me know how you have coped with it or ever overcame it.
I wish I could just hug you! I really believe God loves you, after all he made you. No truer words spoken in being a family in Christ. I can’t relate to your specific experiences, but I can relate to someone in pain. I can’t offer solutions or advice I could only offer a compassionate ear to listen, a shoulder to cry on and arms to hug and comfort. I really do wish I was close by so I could just hug you, I really mean that.
 
I want to thank you all for your kind words! Please, let’s not argue - if a person leaves a comment explicitly stating they are not Catholic, I will not get “confused.” I will read an accept all forms of commentary with the understanding that they are not of the same religious background and may not understand mine or your beliefs. That being said, I am so thankful I found this site.

Last night and this morning, I used the search feature and read no less than 500 or so responses to threads concerning homosexuality. I received some private messages with concern for my health and I want to tell everyone that I am NOT considering suicide at the moment - I want that “Teacher of the Year” award too badly to give up so easily!

That being said, I want to say I have come to a few conclusions. While working on my doctorate degree, I have made countless lists of things I need to read, things I want to do, and people I want to interview - always beginning with the affirmative phrase “I will…” to make sure I subconsciously understand that this is something I need to do. I decided to make a list after reading the numerous threads - promising myself honesty - of things that I will do to make myself happy and keep from ever having these terrible thoughts again. I drafted the following:
  1. I will apologize to my John and explain my feelings to him. So much time has passed, but I cannot live with this guilt.
  2. I will apologize to my best friend.
  3. I will live a celibate life to honor God. I have been gay since I can remember; I never chose to be gay and will no longer find it acceptable to let others proclaim it as a “choice.”
  4. I will no longer live in fear.
I always wish to honor God and if this is the path he has chosen for me, then so it shall be. I assure you that if I could choose, I would have a wife, a dog, and the white picket fence, but I would rather be gay, accepting, and happy than struggling any longer. I have absolutely no clue what will happen, but I have to make a change - I know God does not want me as a corpse in a garage. I will continue to love him and honor him in the best way that I can, but I will no longer hide what I feel so many of my friends and family already know. I am gay, and I am loved. It took me finding this forum and reading countless ideas in anguish, but it has given me hope. I want to be honest with myself.
You are so needed. The world needs your example desperately. I know that you understand how much we need teachers. But do you know how many people we need with the courage to stand up and say that while they were made with same-sex attraction, this is no fault of their own, and they are Catholic anyway? Please, your Catholic witness can save many you don’t yet know. You can do more than you have ever dreamed.
 
my eyes started to tear when you wrote “I thought about sitting in the garage and turning the car on, letting the gas take me away. Through God’s love, I was saved” .
please please please never take or hurt your own life, you are so precious to your friends, family, John, so many people.
I’ve read most of the comments you have been receiving and was completely disgusted. They are not helping you at all in the right way. They all seam to be like, “ohh its so hard to find out you like the same sex, here ring this number to help you” no no no, you dont need help, you have found your self, dont feel the need to change just because its not 100% OK in other Catholics eyes,when you start to listen to those kidda things, thats when the hurt starts all over again.
You can still love God and all that, and still love John (have same sex feelings)
You are completely you, you are perfect and amazing. You should go out meet other gay/bi transgender people, soooo many of them have gone through the same things as you. Immerse your self with these kidda people but at the same time you dont have to let go of gods hand at all. You are not a mixed up person, or a wierdo, Wanting to start a same sex family is completely normal as a straight family. Your not in need of being cured, or in need of being pitied. you are in need of the love you want to seek out, in need to be understood, and inner peace, and you will find it!
I hope this helps you out. 🙂
 
This thread has been quiet for 6 mos. now. And this is your very first post on this forum. Please pay attention to the date of the OP when you do a search, and don’t post on old threads, it causes confusion.
 
help and advice should’t be kept within a expiry date.
When you join a forum, the current members will let you know what the proper behavior is. Here, we try not to dredge up old threads because people will start responding to the OP all over again, without noting the date and the fact that no one has commented in a long time. You will see the results when someone else does this.
 
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