Sunday as the Sabbath - help needed

[ocuinn]

I would appreciate help responding to this thank you:

Oh you mean when John was in the Spirit, seeing all of the things fore told in the Scriptures regarding the “Day of the Lord” aka " the Lord’s Day" (referenced at least 20 times in the prophets). He wasn’t talking about “Sun Day!!” Please go back and look at the Greek for all the other references for “the first day of the week”…they are all “mia Sabbaton”…regarding the 7th Day Sabbath. In Acts 20:7…Paul was preaching on Shabbat, as that’s when people still gathered together, and preached until midnight, which was then the first day of the Hebraic week on Sat. night. That passage has a much deeper teaching about the resurrection of Jesus, because Eutychus fell out of a THREE story window, was pronounced dead and came back to life. (But of course we don’t see that when we’re not reading with a Hebraic view point.) As far as collecting money on “the first day of the week” goes… It was Biblical not to handle money on the Sabbath because it was against the Torah/Law (Ex. 20:8-11;Neh. 10:13-15; Amos 8:5) They waited until after the sun went down at the close of Sabbath…thus it became the “first day of the week” on our Saturday night. So far I haven’t seen anything about Sun Day being the “Lord’s Day” yet. I need more than one witness according to scripture.

 

[Neofight]

I’d like to help you, but I can’t follow your post…it seems to ramble…maybe rephrase it in a simpler, more coherent thoughts?

 

[DavidFilmer]

I also had a hard time understanding the question. The Gentiles reckoned dawn as the beginning of a new day. The Jews regarded sunset (not midnight) as the beginning of the new day (because sunset was the end of one day, and surely the end of one day must mark the beginning of another). The Early Church had both gentiles and Jews, so there was no consensus.

Modern Western society doesn’t hold either idea - we have this arbitrary “midnight” which is twelve hours offset from Noon. We can do that only because we invented clocks.

But, let me ask you, why does it matter on what day we go to Mass? What if the Early Church had agreed on Wednesday. Why would it matter?

 

[PaulfromIowa]

Sunday is not the Sabbath. Sunday is the Lord’s Day. The early Church always celebrated the Eucharist on Sunday, the day Christ was raised from the dead.

There is much reading on Catholic Answers about this:

catholic.com/search/content/sabbath

 

[JohnR77]

I would appreciate help responding to this thank you:

Oh you mean when John was in the Spirit, seeing all of the things fore told in the Scriptures regarding the “Day of the Lord” aka " the Lord’s Day" (referenced at least 20 times in the prophets). He wasn’t talking about “Sun Day!!” Please go back and look at the Greek for all the other references for “the first day of the week”…they are all “mia Sabbaton”…regarding the 7th Day Sabbath. In Acts 20:7…Paul was preaching on Shabbat, as that’s when people still gathered together, and preached until midnight, which was then the first day of the Hebraic week on Sat. night. That passage has a much deeper teaching about the resurrection of Jesus, because Eutychus fell out of a THREE story window, was pronounced dead and came back to life. (But of course we don’t see that when we’re not reading with a Hebraic view point.) As far as collecting money on “the first day of the week” goes… It was Biblical not to handle money on the Sabbath because it was against the Torah/Law (Ex. 20:8-11;Neh. 10:13-15; Amos 8:5) They waited until after the sun went down at the close of Sabbath…thus it became the “first day of the week” on our Saturday night. So far I haven’t seen anything about Sun Day being the “Lord’s Day” yet. I need more than one witness according to scripture.

This is not rambling, but a poor attempt to counter a Christian’s response as to why we celebrate the Lord’ Day on the First Day of the week.

Sunday is not the Sabbath. Just as the Old Covenant gets replaced by the New, the Sabbath is replaced with a better day.

The Sabbath points us forward to even a more glorious day, the Lord’s Day, the eighth day, or the first day of the week which in turn points us to that time in which we will spend with God in Eternity after our earthly journey. Therefore, the Sabbath points us to the eighth day which points us to the day at the end of time when we will find our eternal rest with God in Heaven.

Saint Luke must have had a special purpose for mentioning that they “gathered” on the “first” day of the week in Acts 20:7. This is evident because no where else in Acts, with one exception, does he list the date or the day of the week that this or that momentous missionary journey began, or this or that significant event happened. This implies that Luke was intending to convey the special significance that the “first” day of the week had come to represent. His only exception is when he states that Paul or some other missionary went to the synagogue on the Sabbath. Their purpose for going there on the Sabbath was to get a large audience to preach to. The Jews had not assembled there to celebrate a Christian service.

The Christians follow Jesus’ example and celebrate Mass on the First day of the week.

**Luke 24:1, 13, 27, 30, 35.
**(1) “But on the first day of the week…(13) That very day two of them were going to a village named Emmaus, …(27) And beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he (Jesus) interpreted to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself…(30) When he was at table with them, he took the bread and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to them…(35) Then they told what had happened on the road, and how he was known to them in the breaking of the bread.” RSV

As for the Lord Day ?

Who is the Lord ? Answer Jesus.

What day does he defeat Satan, Rise from the dead, appear to the Apostles, and send the Holy Spirit ?
First Day

CHRIST** HONORSTHE**** FIRST DAYOFTHE W**EEK

**Christians gathered on the first day of the week because that was the day of the Lord’s greatest triumph over Satan and death. Luke’s Gospel proclaims that Christ rose on the first day of the week. **
Luke 24:1, 2, 6, 7, 13, 19-21
“1. But at daybreak on the first day of the week they took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.
2. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb …
6. He is not here, but he has been raised. Remember what he said …
7. that the Son of Man must be handed over to sinners and be crucified, and rise on the third day.” …
13. Now that very day two of them were going to a village seven miles from Jerusalem called Emmaus …
19 … Jesus the Nazarene …
20. how our chief priests and rulers both handed him over to a sentence of death and crucified him.
21. But we were hoping that he would be the one to redeem Israel; and besides all this, it is now the third day since this took place.”

Each every time the early church fathers stipulate which day is the Lord’s Day they all say the first day of the week. NOT ONE says it is the Sabbath.

defendingthebride.com/mc/sa/sab26.html

Read more

defendingthebride.com/mc/sa/sab1.html

.