Sunday mass and how the community affects cannon proceedings

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Hello.
i’m working on a school assignment that states that we have to establish if the practices of ritual within a community align with the religious teachings, foundational beliefs and values of a particular tradition taking into consideration the society in which we live.
in other words, how cannon teachings and methods of ritual change depending on the local community.

Unfortunately, i’m not a practicing catholic so my personal experience on the subject is minimal.

So, if you’re comfortable with answering this question:
Does your local Sunday mass deviate at all from cannon scripture as a result of the surrounding community. if so, are these changes specific to your region, and what are they?

Thanks very much for your responses, i look forward to hearing them 🙂
 
…Does your local Sunday mass deviate at all from cannon scripture as a result of the surrounding community. if so, are these changes specific to your region, and what are they? …
Hello,

Your phrase “cannon scripture” is a bit confusing. Are you asking us to discuss how our own experiences at Mass(es) compare to what is found in the Bible? If so, there really aren’t specific directions on how to celebrate Mass in the Bible, except that we are to use wheat bread and grape wine, and even that not stated in black and white (we just do what the Lord Jesus did at the Last Supper, since He said to “do this in remembrance of me”).

Therefore, there aren’t a lot of ways a local experience could deviate from Scripture.

Dan
 
If you’re not Catholic I don’t think you’re going to develop enough expertise to be able to write this paper in a timely way. If someone starts talking about the “orans posture” or what’s in the GIRM, you’re not going to know what they’re talking about.

Perhaps it would make more sense to discuss rituals that you are familiar with.

I assume your family celebrates Thanksgiving. There are many rituals associated with Thanksgiving meals. Would you feel cheated if your mother served roast beef instead of turkey that day? If you ate dinner in a restaurant instead of around a table filled with relatives? If you missed the Macy’s parade on TV? Or if football games were canceled in the afternoon?

What about rituals associated with Christmas or Independence Day? What about Super Bowl Sunday? Football is practically a civil religion and people have traditions associated with the game.

P.S.: A cannon is a big gun. You may be referring to canon as in canon law or the canon of Scripture.
 
Hello.
i’m working on a school assignment that states that we have to establish if the practices of ritual within a community align with the religious teachings, foundational beliefs and values of a particular tradition taking into consideration the society in which we live.

Does your local Sunday mass deviate at all from cannon scripture as a result of the surrounding community. if so, are these changes specific to your region, and what are they?
🙂
Welcome! Good luck with your research!

First, the word “cannon” means the military weapon. The word you are looking for here is “canon”. It means:
  1. a law or body of laws of a church
  2. the books of the Bible officially accepted by a church or religious body as divinely inspired
  3. ECCLES. the fundamental and essentially unvarying part of the Mass, between the Preface and Communion, that centers on consecration of the bread and wine a list of recognized saints as in the Roman Catholic Church
The RC canon of the Bible forms the scriptural basis for our liturgy. Over the years the celebration has varied in many ways. At the last supper the Apostles and the 12 (literally, as was the custom) reclined about the table. They shared bread rather than the small host which are used today. Later Christians celebrated on Sundays at a home in the community. They all shared a meal together (sometimes in a less than fair way) and they shared the body and blood of Christ. Eventually during the reign of Constantine, Christians were able to own property and were given their first magnificent church- the Lateran Palace.
The Domus Laterani fell into the hands of the emperor when Constantine I married his second wife Fausta, sister of Maxentius. Known by that time as the Domus Faustae or “House of Fausta,” the structure was eventually given to the Bishop of Rome by Constantine. The actual date of the gift is unknown but scholars believe it had to have been during the pontificate of Pope Miltiades, in time to host a synod of bishops in 313 that was convened to challenge the Donatist schism, declaring Donatism as heresy.
There have been a great many changes in recent history brought about by Vatican II. These include most importantly: use of vernacular language, the removal of the communion rail, the repositioning of the altar, and the change in the direction the celebrant faces during Mass.

Read here about the changes in Vatican II:
vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19631204_sacrosanctum-concilium_en.html

THESE CHANGES ARE CHANGES TO THE DISCIPLINE (changeable) AND NOT THE DOCTRINE (unchangeable) OF THE MASS AS ORDERED AND ESTABLISHED BY THE CHURCH. (The changes brought about by V2 are particularly unpopular among some adherents and they may argue against them. They are, however, the current law of the Church.)

Now, the canon of the Mass has very specific rules which are adhered to “religiously”. 😃 There is something called the GIRM (General Instruction of the Roman Missal) which establishes these rules. You can read more here:

usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/general-instruction-of-the-roman-missal/

Of particular importance to you may be the section:
Chapter IX: Adaptations Within The Competence Of Bishops And Bishops’ Conferences

Since Bishops preside over different countries, cultures, and peoples this section may have some bearing on your topic. Within their diocese Bishops are allowed to adapt these areas whereas the rest of the GIRM is a requirement.
  1. These adaptations consist, for the most part, in the choice of certain rites or texts, that is, of the chants, readings, prayers, explanatory interventions, and gestures capable of responding better to the needs, the preparation, and the culture of the participants and which are entrusted to the Priest Celebrant. However, the Priest will remember that he is the servant of the Sacred Liturgy and that he himself is not permitted, on his own initiative, to add, to remove, or to change anything in the celebration of Mass.[34]
I hope this helps! Not being a Catholic, it will be very difficult to truly understand this topic. Check back frequently with questions to ensure that your understanding of our doctrines and disciplines are correct. 🙂
 
Thanks for your replies, and sorry if my question didn’t make sense,i’m still learning i guess.

special thanks to chefmomster2 that’s pretty much EXACTLY what i was looking for.

Some background info on me, just in case it helps: i’m 17 and living in Australia and currently attending a private catholic school in my senior year, so i do have a fair grasp on some basic catholic rituals.

the task as written on the task sheet says “Determine the validity of foundational beliefs, values and religious teachings as presented through a chosen ritual for members of a particular religious community today as they interact both within the religious community and with the wider community” anything that you write related to this will help me a lot, even if you think i wont understand it, it will be appreciated.

Thanks again the responses have been great so far 😃
 
Thanks for your replies, and sorry if my question didn’t make sense,i’m still learning i guess.

special thanks to chefmomster2 that’s pretty much EXACTLY what i was looking for.

Some background info on me, just in case it helps: i’m 17 and living in Australia and currently attending a private catholic school in my senior year, so i do have a fair grasp on some basic catholic rituals.

the task as written on the task sheet says “Determine the validity of foundational beliefs, values and religious teachings as presented through a chosen ritual for members of a particular religious community today as they interact both within the religious community and with the wider community” anything that you write related to this will help me a lot, even if you think i wont understand it, it will be appreciated.

Thanks again the responses have been great so far 😃
😉 Glad I could help!

How can anyone determine the VALIDITY OF THE BELIEFS, VALUES AND TEACHINGS by looking at the rituals? A ritual certainly reveals all of these things. That is the point of rituals. But in what way do rituals prove that the beliefs, values and teachings are valid? I don’t understand the question. What is meant by validity here?

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😉 Glad I could help!

How can anyone determine the VALIDITY OF THE BELIEFS, VALUES AND TEACHINGS by looking at the rituals? A ritual certainly reveals all of these things. That is the point of rituals. But in what way do rituals prove that the beliefs, values and teachings are valid? I don’t understand the question. What is meant by validity here?

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Trust me, you’re not the only one. The tasks for this subject are always unclear and convoluted.
I think what it’s trying to ask is how the modern or local interpretations of rituals deviate from canon law, but i honestly don’t know. Good news is that the draft is due tomorrow so i can get some feed back on how it’s meant to be done, and i can tell you if you’re interested.
Bad news is that i am a chronic procrastinator, and have put off starting it until today so i have a lot of work to do 😛
 
Trust me, you’re not the only one. The tasks for this subject are always unclear and convoluted.
I think what it’s trying to ask is how the modern or local interpretations of rituals deviate from canon law, but i honestly don’t know. Good news is that the draft is due tomorrow so i can get some feed back on how it’s meant to be done, and i can tell you if you’re interested.
Bad news is that i am a chronic procrastinator, and have put off starting it until today so i have a lot of work to do 😛
Please do let me know! I am curious to hear what that question really means! 😃 Good luck! You have a LOT of reading to do! This is a really tough topic! :bigyikes:
 
Finally got an answer to the question.
as explained by the teacher, the task is to “observe a ritual and determine if the practices match with what is stated in the doctrine of that religion. State if they do or don’t, then explain why in accordance to the needs of the community and any other factors.”

Or something to that effect anyway.

At least now i have a grasp on what i’m meant to be doing, so that helps.

Thread is still open, so if anyone still wants to post any stories about how their experiences with Sunday mass have been slightly altered due to different circumstances (now that the question hopefully makes more sense) it would be appreciated.

Thanks again for everything, it has really helped a lot 😃
 
That sounds a whole lot more reasonable! The first version was incredibly wordy and complicated!

I suggest that you read the GIRM, attend mass, and then compare the mass you saw to the GIRM. You can find your info at the links posted in post 4.

This is from the Catholic Catechism of the Church. It also discusses the Eucharist in great detail:

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P3W.HTM

Keep us posted!
 
I wonder if instead of attending a Mass – which to me seems to have so many different elements that it might be difficult to isolate things – a different sacramental celebration might be helpful. Specifically I’m thinking about a baptism. Hugely symbolic with white garments, water, candles, etc. but also shorter. And perhaps it’s easier to read the Catechism about what we believe about baptism and see it carried out than to take in all we believe about the Mass and what happens there.
 
I wonder if instead of attending a Mass – which to me seems to have so many different elements that it might be difficult to isolate things – a different sacramental celebration might be helpful. Specifically I’m thinking about a baptism. Hugely symbolic with white garments, water, candles, etc. but also shorter. And perhaps it’s easier to read the Catechism about what we believe about baptism and see it carried out than to take in all we believe about the Mass and what happens there.
Great idea! 🙂
 
I wonder if instead of attending a Mass – which to me seems to have so many different elements that it might be difficult to isolate things – a different sacramental celebration might be helpful. Specifically I’m thinking about a baptism. Hugely symbolic with white garments, water, candles, etc. but also shorter. And perhaps it’s easier to read the Catechism about what we believe about baptism and see it carried out than to take in all we believe about the Mass and what happens there.
Good idea, but unfortunately we had to register the topic, so i guess there’s no turning back now. Plus, we also had to personally attend the ceremony, and unfortunately, i don’t know any one being baptized within the allocated time.

thanks for the idea though. i’ll keep it in mind for the next task 🙂
 
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