Sunday Mass dilemma

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I’ve got three possibilities for my Sunday Mass obligation this week.
  1. Go to Mass at 7a.m. on Sunday, but have to go through some trouble to find someone’s car to borrow, or a ride, and talk to some people to get out of an obligation i have Sunday morning at 8, but probably isn’t that important.
  2. Go to Mass at 7a.m. on Sunday, but leave early, hopefully after Communion, but have to find someone’s car to borrow.
  3. Go to a Saturday Mass at 2pm, in Korean, which I do not speak. This parish, the one I attend regularly, is close enough to walk to and from easily.
Option 3 is the most convenient, however it’s in Korean, which i do not speak, and it’s quite early for a Saturday evening Mass.

Option 2 is the next convenient, but I have to leave early.

Option 1 is the hardest to pull off.

Is it a sin to leave Mass early? I really don’t want to. Is the 2pm saturday just two early? Any (name removed by moderator)ut will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
 
If you were travelling abroad, let’s say, somewhere in Africa, would you go to a local church there even if you didn’t speak the language?

The Obligation is not about whether you can speak the language or not, it’s attending(assisting) by praying the Mass. The Catholic Church is supposed to be universal and you should be able to recognize the parts of Mass by the rubrics.

So in my opinion, I’d opt for the 2PM Saturday Mass. Even if it doesn’t meet the obligation because it’s so early, you at least went.
 
Are you saying that the fact that I’d have to find a ride, or borrow someone’s vehicle, relieves me of the Sunday obligation?
 
nothing wrong with prayng in Korean

God speaks that too 😉
 
I wouldn’t mind going to the Korean Mass, I think it would be interesting, it’s just that it’s doubtable that it fulfills the obligation, and the 7am Sunday Mass definitely does.
 
The Saturday 2 p.m. Mass does not fulfill your obligation.

Perhaps the better question is, if the 7 a.m. Mass is your only alternative, why did you set up an obligation at 8 a.m.?

Is there a later Mass you can go to on Sunday? Does your parish have a Saturday night vigil Mass? Is there another parish you could go to at a different time on Saturday night or Sunday? Are you avoiding that parish for a valid reason?

You are requires ***as a minimum * ** to attend Mass until Communion. and if you are a Catholic who skates on the minimum, you might ask yourself why?
 
I am curious…who says 2 pm Mass doesn’t fulfill our obligation? Personally, I would opt for the 2 pm Mass also…
Kathy
 
The Obligation is not about whether you can speak the language or not, it’s attending(assisting) by praying the Mass. The Catholic Church is supposed to be universal and you should be able to recognize the parts of Mass by the rubrics.

So in my opinion, I’d opt for the 2PM Saturday Mass. Even if it doesn’t meet the obligation because it’s so early, you at least went.
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I agree with gelsbern, except for the second paragraph. 2PM won’t do it. I’d go with option 2, I guess.

I thought I read at some point that for the vigil option to count, it has to be at least 5PM or later. But I heard/read that a LONG time ago. . .and can’t confirm this.
 
Any Saturday Mass that begins at 4 P.M. or later satisfies your Sunday obligation.
 
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otm:
The Saturday 2 p.m. Mass does not fulfill your obligation.

Perhaps the better question is, if the 7 a.m. Mass is your only alternative, why did you set up an obligation at 8 a.m.?

Is there a later Mass you can go to on Sunday? Does your parish have a Saturday night vigil Mass? Is there another parish you could go to at a different time on Saturday night or Sunday? Are you avoiding that parish for a valid reason?

You are requires ***as a minimum *** to attend Mass until Communion. and if you are a Catholic who skates on the minimum, you might ask yourself why?
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I didn’t really set up an obligation. I’m in a couple organizations, and as a member of one of them, my time, as well as everyone else’s in these organization, is required from 5pm on Saturday evening, till probably around 8 or 9. As a member of the other organization, my time, as well as everyone else’s, is required from 8am to 8pm on Sunday. I had no say in scheduling these events. I am not trying to avoid any parish, any parish in the general vicinity, (10 miles?) I’d probably go to.

But, the situation has evolved, and I have been excused from the part of my Sunday event, lasting from 8 to 8:30 am. I have also secured a vehicle that I can use. So now the only question is, can I assume that the Saturday 2pm Mass fulfills my Sunday obligation, even though the 7am SundayMass is easily accessible.
 
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demolitionman65:
HOW did you find that?
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Google is a wonderful thing. And I read Jimmy’s blog a lot.

Just do a google search on

Saturday mass sunday obligation

and his is the first one that pops up 😃
 
I’ll simplify the question further, after the recent developments.

If there are two easily accessible Masses, one in which it is certain it fulfills the Sunday obligation and the other in which it is not certain , must one choose to go to the one in which it is certain it fulfills the Sunday obligation.

It seems like a much easier question then the one I started with, and I’m glad. It seems that you’re required to go to the Mass in which the Sunday obligation is certainly fulfilled rather than to the one where there is doubt.
 
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grandadmiralboo:
the other in which it is not certain
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Wouldn’t a simple phone call to the parish office settle the issue? I mean, if the parish presents the Saturday afternoon mass as a Sunday mass (if it uses the Sunday readings, etc.), then it IS a Sunday mass regardless of your personal feelings about it.
 
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grandadmiralboo:
But, the situation has evolved, and I have been excused from the part of my Sunday event, lasting from 8 to 8:30 am. I have also secured a vehicle that I can use. So now the only question is, can I assume that the Saturday 2pm Mass fulfills my Sunday obligation, even though the 7am SundayMass is easily accessible.
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Actually, if “the 7am SundayMass is easily accessible,” then the only question is: why are you even curious about the Saturday Mass? Too many people seem concerned about doing as little as possible to fulfill their obligations. Just go to the Sunday Mass, and in the future be a little more careful.
 
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Scullinius:
Actually, if “the 7am SundayMass is easily accessible,” then the only question is: why are you even curious about the Saturday Mass? Too many people seem concerned about doing as little as possible to fulfill their obligations. Just go to the Sunday Mass, and in the future be a little more careful.
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The 7am Mass was not easily accessible, but I have taken certain actions to make it so. I am still curious about the Saturday Mass, not because I want to do “as little as possible”, but because I’m just curious as to what others would say, I’ve already made my conclusion, since I have already taken actions to make the 7am Mass easily accessible, my position is now that the 7am Mass is obligatory, I already know that if I was unable to go to the 7am Mass, then the Saturday 2pm Mass would not be obligatory anyway.
 
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grandadmiralboo:
I already know that if I was unable to go to the 7am Mass, then the Saturday 2pm Mass would not be obligatory anyway.
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Ummm… huh?
 
It’s doubtful that a 2pm Saturday Mass fulfills the obligation, so If I’m unable to go to Mass all day Sunday, or Saturday evening, except for 2pm at the latest, I’m not obligated to go to the 2pm Mass, due to the doubt involved.
 
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grandadmiralboo:
It’s doubtful that a 2pm Saturday Mass fulfills the obligation, so If I’m unable to go to Mass all day Sunday, or Saturday evening, except for 2pm at the latest, I’m not obligated to go to the 2pm Mass, due to the doubt involved.
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You’re quite wrong.

As I said earlier, if you call the parish office and they tell you that the 2 PM Saturday Mass is a vigil mass for Sunday, then it IS just that. It’s not your place to decide that no, it doesn’t *really *satisfy the obligation.
 
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