Sunday Mass dilemma

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rcn:
You’re quite wrong.

As I said earlier, if you call the parish office and they tell you that the 2 PM Saturday Mass is a vigil mass for Sunday, then it IS just that. It’s not your place to decide that no, it doesn’t *really *satisfy the obligation.
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So are you saying that the celebrant’s intent on whether it will fulfill the Sunday obligation or not has bearing on whether it does or not for someone in attendence?
 
it is not a question of intent. if the Mass is a regularly scheduled vigil Mass then that Mass is being said to fulfill the sunday obligation. Every vigil Mass uses the readings for the next day (sunday.) you don’t know why the schedule is set up the way it is. maybe that’s the only time they can offer the Mass in korean. the way to tell if it is the sunday Mass is whether they have two readings before the gospel. if there is just one reading, the responsorial psalm and then the gospel reading, then it is the mass of the day (saturday.) you will be able to tell whether you speak the language or not.

i’m not sure why you don’t just call and find out. it seems like you are looking for someone to tell you either that you don’t have to go to Mass, or that you can just go no matter what and count it as meeting the obligation. i doubt that anyone is going to do that. if it is a vigil Mass, then go to it. if it is not, go to confession if you miss Mass. it’s that simple. missing Mass is not a sin, if you don’t go because of real circumstances that prevent it. only you can determine if you have done what it takes to get you there. if you miss it, confess it. you don’t have to be absolutely sure that it was a sin in order to mention it in confession.
 
The stuff you’re saying sounds like just a lot of assumptions to me. It is my understanding that the readings have absolutely no bearing on whether a Mass fulfills the Sunday obligation or not, take a Wedding Mass celebrated on a Saturday night. The readings are gonna be quite different than the Sunday’s readings, however it most definitely fulfills the Sunday obligation, or a funeral Mass for instance.
 
The Vigil Masses are only valid if they are said AT or AFTER 4 P.M. on Saturday.
 
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The Vigil Masses are only valid if they are said AT or AFTER 4 P.M. on Saturday.
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Fiddlesticks. Parishes can get permission to have one earlier. 2 p.m. would not be out of the question. That’s what we don’t know about the parish in question, and a simple phone call would put the matter to rest.
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grandadmiralboo:
It is my understanding that the readings have absolutely no bearing on whether a Mass fulfills the Sunday obligation or not, take a Wedding Mass celebrated on a Saturday night. The readings are gonna be quite different than the Sunday’s readings, however it most definitely fulfills the Sunday obligation, or a funeral Mass for instance.
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If a Saturday mass uses the (four) Sunday readings, one can be sure that it satisfies the Sunday obligation. Why isn’t that obvious? Why else would that be done? If it only had three readings, then it’s the Saturday daily mass. But if it has four, it’s a Sunday vigil mass. And it counts for Sunday. No ifs, ands or buts.

By the way, I don’t think a Saturday wedding mass would of itself satisfy the Sunday obligation. Weddings and funerals are not usually held late in the day on Saturday anyway. I suppose the priest could grant everyone at a Saturday wedding a dispensation from Sunday mass the next day, but that’s a different matter.

But this is straying from the original question. You don’t “think” the Saturday 2 p.m. mass meets the obligation. But you’ve been told that a phone call to the parish will answer this for you. Make it.
 
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rcn:
By the way, I don’t think a Saturday wedding mass would of itself satisfy the Sunday obligation. Weddings and funerals are not usually held late in the day on Saturday anyway. I suppose the priest could grant everyone at a Saturday wedding a dispensation from Sunday mass the next day, but that’s a different matter.
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Hmm, Canon Law seems to suggest that as long as it’s a Mass, and it’s Catholic, and it’s on Sunday or Saturday evening, it fulfills the obligation. Canon Law says nothing about specific readings, or about wedding and funeral Masses not counting. If you’re gonna make a case for your position, some documentation is warranted.
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rcn:
You don’t “think” the Saturday 2 p.m. mass meets the obligation. But you’ve been told that a phone call to the parish will answer this for you. Make it.
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I don’t believe everything I’m told. 😛
 
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grandadmiralboo:
I wouldn’t mind going to the Korean Mass, I think it would be interesting, it’s just that it’s doubtable that it fulfills the obligation, and the 7am Sunday Mass definitely does.
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Why wouldn’t attending a Korean Mass fufill your Sunday Obligation? After all, many of us attend the Traditiaonl Latin Mass, and do not speak Latin…What’s the difference?
 
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rcn:
Wouldn’t a simple phone call to the parish office settle the issue? I mean, if the parish presents the Saturday afternoon mass as a Sunday mass (if it uses the Sunday readings, etc.), then it IS a Sunday mass regardless of your personal feelings about it.
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Well, actually, if Church law were to say that only Masses after 4 p.m. on Saturday fulfill the obligation (and I use the subjunctive only because I there is dispute among canonists as to what counts as Saturday evening, although 4 p.m. is the generally accepted interpretation) then the parish’s opinion on the matter doesn’t count for anything. They could celebrate Mass on Friday or even Tuesday using those readings, that wouldn’t mean everyone in attendance had magically fulfilled their Sunday obligation.
 
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