Sunday Mass Dilemma

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My wife and I were both raised Catholic, both having gone to Catholic school from kindergarten through high school. Many years ago my wife stopped attending Mass because of issues with the Catholic Church. It began with bad memories of having seen priests at her high school doing inappropriate things with female students and peaked with the recent sex scandal. Her trust in the hierarchy of the Church eroded and she felt that she should not be bound by rules made by men she could not trust. This is not a cop out; she is dead serious. We have been married 41 years. My wife is a good woman who cares deeply for others and who lives a life that is more selfless than mine. She tries to follow the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule (do unto others…), but does not practice any faith. She tells me that she prays to God, but that her prayer life is between her and God. While at home I faithfully attend Mass every Sunday, however there is a problem whenever we travel together. Recently, we traveled to Florida to visit an old friend whose wife suddenly and unexpectedly passed away. It was a very tragic death and my wife was very nervous about getting through the experience. She spent over ten years of her life care-giving for three members of her immediate family, all of whom died from painful, protracted illnesses. This caused her to suffer from some kind of travel anxiety that may or may not be part of the problem. While in Florida she refused to attend Sunday Mass with me and strenuously objected to me leaving her in a hotel room while I went off on my own to attend Mass. She feels very strongly that a husband should never leave his wife while traveling out of town. Rather than get into a heated argument and challenge her to a test of wills I agreed to not attend Mass. We have discussed this subject on numerous occasions and she will not compromise on this. She says her parents were religious people who always attended Mass at home, but never went while on vacation. We have many friends, most of whom are Christian, but not a single one attends Mass/church when traveling away from home. I know this does not make it right, but how am I to deal with all this? It is a no win situation.

On a related matter, when I travel alone, as I do whenever I go on ski trips with friends, as my wife does not ski, none of my friends go to church. In order for me to attend Mass it would sometimes be necessary for me to ask my friends to adjust their schedule to accommodate my needs. An example would be I might have to ask them to hold off on having dinner until later to wait for me to return from Mass. Or I might even have to ask them to drive me to Mass if we are sharing a rental car. I have never experienced anyone having to do these things to attend Mass and it does seem unreasonable to expect others to accommodate my needs while they are also on vacation. What do I do? Please do not suggest my wife attend counseling as we had that discussion many times and she refuses. I have also read about asking for a dispensation from the parish priest, however I come from a very large parish of several thousand parishioners, and don’t think the priests would appreciate hearing from me every time I take a trip.
 
I’ll leave your wife to the side, but as to your ski trips with friends, your friends presumably know you and can go on these trips with or without you. Likewise, they can go to dinner with or without you.

A trip for pleasure is not and should not be a chain gang where everybody has to be together at all times. People that believe that are not fun to do trips with.
 
Most parishes have a very early am Sunday mass, say 7am. Can’t you tell your wife to sleep in and you’ll see her for a late breakfast? I would just tell her that she doesn’t have to come, but you’re going. End of conversation.

As for trips with friends, same applies. Call a cab or Uber for transportation if you must.
 
If you decide to miss mass and don’t get a dispensation, go to confession on Monday (or as soon as possible). In your situation, the sin may or may not be mortal, but best to confess to be safe.

Now some suggestions: try (if possible) to book hotels walking distance to a church. Or perhaps there is a church close to a shopping mall, drop the wife off at the mall while you run to mass…

In regards to ski trips, there are many ski resorts with Catholic Chapels walking distance to the slopes/hotels. Denver has a number of these, so does Snowshoe Mountain in West Virginia. Snowshoe’s chapel is actually on the property of the resort.
 
If you decide to miss mass and don’t get a dispensation, go to confession on Monday (or as soon as possible). In your situation, the sin may or may not be mortal, but best to confess to be safe.

Now some suggestions: try (if possible) to book hotels walking distance to a church. Or perhaps there is a church close to a shopping mall, drop the wife off at the mall while you run to mass…

In regards to ski trips, there are many ski resorts with Catholic Chapels walking distance to the slopes/hotels. Denver has a number of these, so does Snowshoe Mountain in West Virginia. Snowshoe’s chapel is actually on the property of the resort.
My husband and I once walked to Mass at Sun Valley in Idaho. It wasn’t very convenient, but we did get there.
 
What you describe is not normal, and it sounds to me like what she witnessed traumatized her. I think she would benefit from discussing the issue with her doctor or a counselor. I know you already said she’s refused counseling in the past, but I would try to continue gently persuading her to give it a try.

In the meantime, I would suggest that you discuss the first issue with your priest or a good spiritual director/advisor and follow their advice over any suggestion I might make here. 🙂

Besides that, I would try to arrange travel so that you can go to Mass before the trip (like a 4pm Saturday vigil), or so you can attend a late Sunday Mass when you get back.
Or perhaps you can sometimes arrange for a friend or relative to visit with your wife while you go to Mass, or if you can afford it, hire a traveling companion for her (even if only for the day you go to Mass). These are only a few suggestions, and I’m sure there are other solutions you could try.

For the second scenario, when you are traveling with friends, I see no reason not to speak to them beforehand about being able to attend Mass, when you’re making arrangements for the trip. :confused: If you can’t work out the rental car schedule, then plan to take a taxicab or public transportation there and back–or maybe even call the parish you plan to attend and ask if a parishioner might be available to give you a ride. We’ve traveled with non-Catholic friends before, and we usually just let them know that we have plans to be at this church at such-and-such a time for about an hour, and if they choose to go ahead with dinner or whatever, that’s okay with us. Depending on the situation, we might even invite them along (though they generally politely decline). Most times, they generously wait for us and just do something else during that hour and a half it generally takes us to get to Mass and back. Sometimes, we’re on our own for dinner or we miss a scheduled event, but that’s okay.

You can check masstimes.org for Catholic churches in whatever area you’ll be, though I still recommend calling the chosen parish to verify the Mass time, especially during HDOs and holidays. 😉

I think it comes down to priorities. If you really, really want to do something, so that you are willing to sacrifice and make it a priority over other things, you’ll generally find a way to get it done. 👍

Will pray for you! :gopray2:
 
I would just tell her that she doesn’t have to come, but you’re going. End of conversation.
Assuming there is no serious mental issue going on here with the wife, this was my first thought, too. 👍 Sometimes I even wish my husband would stand his ground more with me. 🤷 :o
 
Suppose you had a medical condition that required periodic stop-ins at a hospital on the weekends. What true friend would say, “No, we’re on vacation. We won’t drive you to the hospital” or “It’s completely unreasonable to ask us to wait for you while you’re at the hospital for an hour”? Sunday Mass is as important to your soul and spiritual well-being as a hospital visit might be to your physical well-being.

Before you go on your next trip, tell your friends that you need to make Sunday Mass and do the research on your own so you can figure out the best way to do this. Take your own car if you need to or go extra early to attend before the guys are awake.

As to your wife, she seems fearful of travelling and although I don’t share her conviction, I can understand that it might be unnerving for a woman to be alone in a foreign country or something without a male presence. So if this is a fear for her, it’s reasonable for her to ask you to stay with her. Yet, it’s also reasonable for you to expect that your wife will not be an obstacle to your obligation to attend Mass. So I think the solution will probably end up being some sort of compromise. She attends with you but sits in the lobby or in the car reading a book. She goes to the Church but enjoys a latte next door while you pray. Or you schedule some sort of activity that involves people she trusts while you need to be at Mass. Or just ask her to suck up her hatred for the Church and sit in the pew next to you for an hour. She doesn’t have to participate, she can see it as an act of sacrifice for her marriage.
 
Assuming there is no serious mental issue going on here with the wife, this was my first thought, too. 👍 Sometimes I even wish my husband would stand his ground more with me. 🤷 :o
I agree. I would tell her she has the option of coming with you to Mass or staying in the room by herself. Period. Don’t let her manipulate you like this.
 
I have also read about asking for a dispensation from the parish priest, however I come from a very large parish of several thousand parishioners, and don’t think the priests would appreciate hearing from me every time I take a trip.
The above is not a dilemma, it’s an excuse. Yes, your pastor will be happy to hear from you, that’s part of a pastor’s responsibility. It doesn’t matter that you are from a large parish, I’ve been in both large and small. It’s not a big deal to talk to your pastor about this or to ask for a dispensation when traveling (and necessary).
 
I’m not trying to downplay or dismiss the wife’s upset with certain members of the Church (she is not really upset with the Catholic Church itself, but to paraphrase Fulton Sheen, with what she thinks is the Church). . .

but here’s the thing.

Remember, ‘good works’ don’t cancel out bad ones. All the kindness, charity, etc. in the world mean nothing if a person is not ‘in union’ with God. We can pray that as this woman is probably not truly understanding the Church and what she rejects is not the real Church and that therefore she still remains in an imperfect union, but it would certainly be better for her soul if she recognizes this while still on earth.

Now, I’ve been through certain similar issues with my family over the years, and this is one thing I learned: When you compromise on a truly basic belief thinking that it will ‘help’ a person – **it does not help. It winds up actually doing more harm.

**Here, for example, is a woman who has already made an error in rejecting Christ’s Church. To compound the error by ‘giving in’ so as not to ‘hurt her feelings’ and to attempt to assuage this by pointing out all her good qualities **just reinforces her erroneous ideas, instead of getting her to see where she went wrong.

**Why on earth then would she really question her own decisions and actions, if her husband in giving in to her is tacitly acknowledging that she is ‘right’? If she really were ‘wrong’ (she thinks), then he would really try to tell her, for the sake of her soul. He isn’t. . .therefore (she thinks) she was right all along.

If her husband were to come right out with, "I know how you feel, and even though I think you’re endangering your immortal soul, I know that I cannot **force you **into the Truth, but I myself know the Truth and I will, I **must, **for my own soul’s sake, follow Christ’s teachings, and that means that I must and will attend Mass, even if you will not". … then she would know that her husband was serious about his faith, and that might make her question her own decisions and at least would give her the chance to come to the truth.

Right now, there is no incentive for her to examine her ideas, no ‘bad consequence’, no real help but only a false ‘kindness’ that lets her go on even deeper into error.

Again, all I can say from my own experience is that I wish I had had the courage of my convictions and had spoken right from the start, even though I am a total confrontation-phobe, a doormat, a timid and cowardly ‘accommodationist’. . .because as ‘kind’ and ‘helpful’ and ‘loving’ as I thought I was, I wound up only confirming people in their error and making it that much harder for them, spiritually. I regret that more than almost anything in my life (and that’s saying something), and I only hope it will not truly be ‘too late’ for those I love. And so I’m just saying that it’s something to consider in this case.
 
One possible thing to tell your wife is, “That’s fine, honey. We don’t have to travel if you don’t want to.”

But I wouldn’t do that if I were you unless you are willing to stay home for quite a while.
 
I have no further advice for you, but I want you to know I’ll be praying for you. I share a similar burden with my wife who was abused by clergy in the past.
 
Thank you everyone for your very thoughtful responses. Some of your suggestions were more helpful than others but all are appreciated. The response I found to be “spot on” in analysis was from Tantum Ergo. You really got me to look at the problem in the light of day and see the error in my perspective. It appears that the problem is my lack of conviction in what I believe. The solution to my problem will not be easy but at least I understand what the real problem is. I have not visited this website in quite some time, but I’m glad I did. God bless all of you here for what you do. You are a first class group of people with some very impressive knowledge and skill. Thank you all.
 
Well,I understand your wifes problem with the Church but her problem is just that.With the Church.The recent sex abuse scandals and ALL Church scandals in the past (And in the future) are caused by men and men are fallible.The faith is INFALLIBLE!!! The faith didn’t tell those priests to abuse those kids,the priests did it of their own volition.They too have to answer to God one day.
 
In the situation where you wife was having extreme anxiety due to the death of her friend, I can see making an exception. However, declaring that a husband should never leave his wife in the hotel for an hour or less during a trip is ridiculous, in my opinion.

PS- We always go to Mass when we are travelling.
 
My husband and I once walked to Mass at Sun Valley in Idaho. It wasn’t very convenient, but we did get there.
Thats my old backyard. Our Lady of the Snows is quite easy to get to. The priest there now is a dear friend of mine. Sun Valley is very small and the Church is located centrally between downtown Ketchum and the Resort of Sun Valley. Not to mention the Buses run all day free. How was it that it was not convenient? BTW that parish brings in some serious cash… It has to be somewhat convenient I mean John Kerry can find his way there… Not to mention Maria Shriver…
 
I have a close knit group of friends I’ve been going to Vail with for a number of years and I always go there because of our friendship and because they have a timeshare there. It takes two bus trips from the condo to get to the chapel where Mass is celebrated. It’s not convenient but most of the time I go there, always by myself. It sometimes requires me to leave the mountain by myself and end the day of skiing early. It is a considerable inconvenience but I do it most years. It just seems that when you are the only one going to Mass it’s much harder than when you have a friend to go with you.
 
Thats my old backyard. Our Lady of the Snows is quite easy to get to. The priest there now is a dear friend of mine. Sun Valley is very small and the Church is located centrally between downtown Ketchum and the Resort of Sun Valley. Not to mention the Buses run all day free. How was it that it was not convenient? BTW that parish brings in some serious cash… It has to be somewhat convenient I mean John Kerry can find his way there… Not to mention Maria Shriver…
My husband and I were just visiting and it was 15+ years ago, so internet research for trips or mapping was not really a thing then. No smart phones, either. We had no idea about any buses. I just remember a lot of trudging through the snow…Things were different, back in the day.

That might have been the trip when the Schwarzenegger family was at Sun Valley, too. I didn’t see them, but the rest of the family did.

(I have never figured out how my family ever afforded Sun Valley. My grandpa fell in love with skiing because of his WWII ski training. I believe that when he first took his family to Sun Valley, they used to just go up the hill on their own steam, no lift ticket, no sirree!)
 
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