Sunday Mass Is Less Holy Than Daily Mass

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Ever since last year, when I started attending daily Mass a few times a week, it has made me dismayed about Sunday Mass.

It seems to me that the Church (at least my parish) has subdued the holiness of Sunday Mass, likely in favor of holding the audience, and I can’t say I’m happy about it.

First, I know the mass book says that common psalms can be used in place of the one that is designated for the Mass. But it has become tiresome that the responsorial every week for the past 2 years has been Psalm 34. Apparently, it’s the only Psalm that the choir leader likes to sing, and Heaven forbid we allow the lector to just read the responsorial in between the two readings that he or she reads. So, no matter what the USCCB says should be the Psalm of the week, it’s #34. At daily Mass, of course, the psalm that the lectionary says is the one for that day is the one that is read. This is important because many times, all the readings (including the R.P.) have a common theme, which is why they are chosen to be used together in the Mass.

Then there is a Eucharist, the most important part of the Mass. At daily Mass, there is complete silence as people walk to the front, receive the body and blood, and return to their pews, and for a couple minutes afterward. It’s such silence that the only voice heard is the priest saying “the Body of Christ” as each person approaches him. Sunday Mass? Two hymns, sung loudly, and often they are songs which are not Eucharistic songs. (When I was younger, the Eucharistic Hymn was always something along the lines of “Gift of Finest Wheat” or “We Are Yours.” Now it’s “whatever the choir leader feels like singing.”) And we’re supposed to sing the hymns, rather than praying silently.

Oh, one more thing, once the last person has returned to the pew after Communion is distributed, and while the sacred hosts are being brought to the tabernacle, here come the ushers for the second collection! I was brought up to remain kneeling and in prayer until the tabernacle is closed, now I am trying to do so while a basket is being held in front of my face.

Then, sometimes Sunday Mass continues after Communion with “special blessings” for this person or that person, or a certain group of people. Or a standing ovation for the choir. Or something else.

People at daily Mass are all there to be there for Mass. People at Sunday Mass I’m not sure why some of them are there; maybe to be seen, maybe it’s their social gathering for the week, I don’t even know anymore. But based on how much chit-chat is going on, I find it hard to believe that their #1 reason for being there is worship of God.
 
You’re talking about a quite a few different issues!

On singing
a) the songs are not appropriate or not particularly appropriate
b) the psalm has been inappropriately restricted to one song
c) you prefer silence to singing during Holy Communion

On behavior–fellow parishioners seem more focused on worship and prayer at daily Mass.

Well, first off, when people are distracted or not focused on prayer, they probably skip morning Mass that day, since there is no obligation. We can’t have people doing that on the day when Mass is a duty! Ready or not, Sunday participation is a must. That means we’ll probably see more distracted behavior on Sunday.

The music is something else again. The ideal Mass is sung, and singing does not distract from prayer. Singing IS prayer. Just as with spoken prayer, though, a prayer that is inappropriate or that lacks artistic merit makes a prayerful attitude difficult.

What does your pastor say?
 
You’re talking about a quite a few different issues!

On singing
a) the songs are not appropriate or not particularly appropriate
b) the psalm has been inappropriately restricted to one song
c) you prefer silence to singing during Holy Communion

On behavior–fellow parishioners seem more focused on worship and prayer at daily Mass.

Well, first off, when people are distracted or not focused on prayer, they probably skip morning Mass that day, since there is no obligation. We can’t have people doing that on the day when Mass is a duty! Ready or not, Sunday participation is a must. That means we’ll probably see more distracted behavior on Sunday.

The music is something else again. The ideal Mass is sung, and singing does not distract from prayer. Singing IS prayer. Just as with spoken prayer, though, a prayer that is inappropriate or that lacks artistic merit makes a prayerful attitude difficult.

What does your pastor say?
Our former pastor just retired over the summer so we have a new one who started last month.

While everybody loved the former pastor, it seems as though he let things run amok and allowed others to dictate liturgy. The R.P. thing seems really loose. For example, when the readings of the week are talking about the Lord shepherding the people as the shepherd tends the flock, and the missal calls for Psalm 23 (extremely appropriate) to be part of the Liturgy of the Word, it seems disingenuous for the choir leader to substitute Psalm 34. There are other cases where a certain R.P. fits perfectly with a set of readings, but it is subbed out at one person’s whim.

As for the singing, I understand that hymns are part of the Mass. But during the Eucharistic procession, is a Mary hymn (Ave Maria) or some other hymn (Prayer of St. Francis) appropriate? I say no. Not when “One Bread, One Body” or “We Are Yours” or another hymn which relates to the Body and Blood of our Lord is available, and it always is. That being said, perhaps it is just my personal preference, but the Eucharistic procession, reception, and reflection should be a time of silence. Of course, I’ll never have what I really want–kneeling at the communion rail to receive–as that isn’t done in many NO churches anymore.

And taking up a collection while the host is still exposed (the tabernacle hasn’t been closed) is sacrilege as far as I’m concerned.

Sorry about the rant, but lately I have been in love with daily mass (to the point that I feel sad when I can’t make it to one), but have dreaded Sunday mass.
 
You might ask Father if your parish can form a liturgy committee. This would handle questions like coordinating the timing of collections.
 
Then, sometimes Sunday Mass continues after Communion with “special blessings” for this person or that person, or a certain group of people. Or a standing ovation for the choir. Or something else.

People at daily Mass are all there to be there for Mass. People at Sunday Mass I’m not sure why some of them are there; maybe to be seen, maybe it’s their social gathering for the week, I don’t even know anymore. But based on how much chit-chat is going on, I find it hard to believe that their #1 reason for being there is worship of God.
I don’t understand what is wrong with when the Mass continues after Communion, to bless people or to give a standing ovation for the choir. When I’ve attended Mass in the past on Mothers Day for instance. the priest has asked the mothers present to stand and we applauded them. I don’t see what is wrong with honoring them or even the choir in that way. The Bible speaks much about rejoicing.

I do think some of them are there because the Church teaches it is obligated. Unlike Protestant churches where if people miss a Sunday, it is not considered to be that they’ve committed mortal sin.
 
I don’t understand what is wrong with when the Mass continues after Communion, to bless people or to give a standing ovation for the choir. When I’ve attended Mass in the past on Mothers Day for instance. the priest has asked the mothers present to stand and we applauded them. I don’t see what is wrong with honoring them or even the choir in that way. The Bible speaks much about rejoicing.

I do think some of them are there because the Church teaches it is obligated. Unlike Protestant churches where if people miss a Sunday, it is not considered to be that they’ve committed mortal sin.
Celebrating mothers on Mother’s Day is different than clapping after every mass for the choir. Why clap? Should my students clap for me at the end of religious Ed class? I did a good job. I’m performing and putting my time in for free. 😉

I wouldn’t think Protestants view missing services as a sin. They don’t have the Eucharist.
 
Ever since last year, when I started attending daily Mass a few times a week, it has made me dismayed about Sunday Mass.

It seems to me that the Church (at least my parish) has subdued the holiness of Sunday Mass, likely in favor of holding the audience, and I can’t say I’m happy about it.

First, I know the mass book says that common psalms can be used in place of the one that is designated for the Mass. But it has become tiresome that the responsorial every week for the past 2 years has been Psalm 34. Apparently, it’s the only Psalm that the choir leader likes to sing, and Heaven forbid we allow the lector to just read the responsorial in between the two readings that he or she reads. So, no matter what the USCCB says should be the Psalm of the week, it’s #34. At daily Mass, of course, the psalm that the lectionary says is the one for that day is the one that is read. This is important because many times, all the readings (including the R.P.) have a common theme, which is why they are chosen to be used together in the Mass.

Then there is a Eucharist, the most important part of the Mass. At daily Mass, there is complete silence as people walk to the front, receive the body and blood, and return to their pews, and for a couple minutes afterward. It’s such silence that the only voice heard is the priest saying “the Body of Christ” as each person approaches him. Sunday Mass? Two hymns, sung loudly, and often they are songs which are not Eucharistic songs. (When I was younger, the Eucharistic Hymn was always something along the lines of “Gift of Finest Wheat” or “We Are Yours.” Now it’s “whatever the choir leader feels like singing.”) And we’re supposed to sing the hymns, rather than praying silently.

Oh, one more thing, once the last person has returned to the pew after Communion is distributed, and while the sacred hosts are being brought to the tabernacle, here come the ushers for the second collection! I was brought up to remain kneeling and in prayer until the tabernacle is closed, now I am trying to do so while a basket is being held in front of my face.

Then, sometimes Sunday Mass continues after Communion with “special blessings” for this person or that person, or a certain group of people. Or a standing ovation for the choir. Or something else.

People at daily Mass are all there to be there for Mass. People at Sunday Mass I’m not sure why some of them are there; maybe to be seen, maybe it’s their social gathering for the week, I don’t even know anymore. But based on how much chit-chat is going on, I find it hard to believe that their #1 reason for being there is worship of God.
The key is to be open to community in all its garish splendour. For example, I love, love our Friday night dinners with mostly just husband. (Kids all busy) Normally pies, chips, peas and gravy with bottle of red wine in on lounge in front of 6pm news. It’s so nice. But then a lot of Sunday lunches are madness with a lot of family noise, mess and a certain relative making an origami bishops hat out of serviettes. You know… it’d be nice to have a perfect family who knew how to properly attend the dinner table… but its about the family and acceptance and community at the end of the day. Sometimes ‘holy’ is subjective. It can be found in the most base situations.
 
You might ask Father if your parish can form a liturgy committee. This would handle questions like coordinating the timing of collections.
EXACTLY!

Stewardship is a very hard thing to get started and keep growing in the Parish.
ALL TOO OFTEN - it is the same two or three people (or families) that do the lion’s share of the grunt work to keep the parish running and they’d be all too ready to accept some help!

As for the details mentioned in the OP… IMHO, these are liturgical abuses and something to be charitably discussed with the pastor.
 
The key is to be open to community in all its garish splendour. For example, I love, love our Friday night dinners with mostly just husband. (Kids all busy) Normally pies, chips, peas and gravy with bottle of red wine in on lounge in front of 6pm news. It’s so nice. But then a lot of Sunday lunches are madness with a lot of family noise, mess and a certain relative making an origami bishops hat out of serviettes. You know… it’d be nice to have a perfect family who knew how to properly attend the dinner table… but its about the family and acceptance and community at the end of the day. Sometimes ‘holy’ is subjective. It can be found in the most base situations.
Mass is about JESUS, awe and reverence. Family is totally separate …Period. Maybe the anglicans have it right with coffee hour AFTER mass… if this is how you see mass, glad I cannot get there except the occasional blessedly focussed weekday mass. garish splendour indeed! agree that holiness can be found in many place BUT mass is special, and I would never again go to the later Sunday masses here for the reasons the OP says
 
Ever since last year, when I started attending daily Mass a few times a week, it has made me dismayed about Sunday Mass.

It seems to me that the Church (at least my parish) has subdued the holiness of Sunday Mass, likely in favor of holding the audience, and I can’t say I’m happy about it.

First, I know the mass book says that common psalms can be used in place of the one that is designated for the Mass. But it has become tiresome that the responsorial every week for the past 2 years has been Psalm 34. Apparently, it’s the only Psalm that the choir leader likes to sing, and Heaven forbid we allow the lector to just read the responsorial in between the two readings that he or she reads. So, no matter what the USCCB says should be the Psalm of the week, it’s #34. At daily Mass, of course, the psalm that the lectionary says is the one for that day is the one that is read. This is important because many times, all the readings (including the R.P.) have a common theme, which is why they are chosen to be used together in the Mass.

Then there is a Eucharist, the most important part of the Mass. At daily Mass, there is complete silence as people walk to the front, receive the body and blood, and return to their pews, and for a couple minutes afterward. It’s such silence that the only voice heard is the priest saying “the Body of Christ” as each person approaches him. Sunday Mass? Two hymns, sung loudly, and often they are songs which are not Eucharistic songs. (When I was younger, the Eucharistic Hymn was always something along the lines of “Gift of Finest Wheat” or “We Are Yours.” Now it’s “whatever the choir leader feels like singing.”) And we’re supposed to sing the hymns, rather than praying silently.

Oh, one more thing, once the last person has returned to the pew after Communion is distributed, and while the sacred hosts are being brought to the tabernacle, here come the ushers for the second collection! I was brought up to remain kneeling and in prayer until the tabernacle is closed, now I am trying to do so while a basket is being held in front of my face.

Then, sometimes Sunday Mass continues after Communion with “special blessings” for this person or that person, or a certain group of people. Or a standing ovation for the choir. Or something else.

People at daily Mass are all there to be there for Mass. People at Sunday Mass I’m not sure why some of them are there; maybe to be seen, maybe it’s their social gathering for the week, I don’t even know anymore. But based on how much chit-chat is going on, I find it hard to believe that their #1 reason for being there is worship of God.
I really have a problem with the last paragraph. It seems as though you are coming off “holier than thou.” IMHO. One, while I have been distracted by whispers, thanks to ADHD, I have never thought that these people were just there to be seen or for a social event. Two, if someone REALLY REALLY REALLY, doesn’t want to go ANYWHERE they will find an excuse not to go, even if it is Mass. I know, I can find excuses sometimes. Maybe you should focus on you and not be worried about the people’s intentions around you.
 
It’s really important to pray for those around you in mass,pray when you receive Jesus that
all those receiving understand truly what is happening.

I felt so sad last night leaving the church hearing an older person using our Lord’s name in vain to punctuate a sentence…it seems some people just don’t know and it’s very sad.
I think persevering in how you were taught is very good…keep kneeling ,keep that reverence,
it’s between you and Jesus.

I love getting to the city for midweek mass, it’s like a balm to be undistracted ,there is no connecting /unconnecting and all those around are of the same frame of mind.We try to humbly take this with us to the busier Sunday mass.
 
Even older people can forget the reverence they were taught and once practiced, and I’m sure being a quiet example can help them and others remember.
 
I just moved to another province in Canada,
and I just LOVE the masses here, the music
is far superior and altho the people stand at
a bit different times during mass, it is the same
liturgy I’m used to in my former parish. Praise
and thanks goes to my God!
I would suggest you hunt for a new parish.
 
I really have a problem with the last paragraph. It seems as though you are coming off “holier than thou.” IMHO. One, while I have been distracted by whispers, thanks to ADHD, I have never thought that these people were just there to be seen or for a social event. Two, if someone REALLY REALLY REALLY, doesn’t want to go ANYWHERE they will find an excuse not to go, even if it is Mass. I know, I can find excuses sometimes. Maybe you should focus on you and not be worried about the people’s intentions around you.
Very harsh. let me tell you about my first ever Mass here in Ireland… a country church and I was a minute or so late… When I reached the Church there were people crowded into the porch and I thought WOW! All men, older men… I followed Mass in the doorway and they were chatting away, eating etc. and as soon as it was time for communion OUT they surged… I had to fight the tide of men to get into the body of th eChurch and LO! The front pews were deserted … I asked my new landlady who grinned and explained that " mammy" had told the men GO TO MASS and although Mammy had been in the graveyard many years, they still obeyed her. In another newly decorated Church there was a large sign in the porch" DO NOT LEAN ON THE WALLS!" And the last time I went to 12. 30 mass in the cathedral here, I sat at the back and there were women having a long and earnest conversation and lads playing games on their phones. having been sent to Mass While yes of course we must only truly know our own conscience etc, it is wise to be aware… no one ha the right to disturb prayer and many folk do nto have a quiet place at home. guilt plays a heavy hand, even with my own health issues it has taken a long battle to shed it.
 
A more disturbing issue might be the lack of being properly disposed to celebrate the Sunday Mass…you seem to focus on what is not pleasing to you human senses and to be missing the important spiritual relevance of the Mass.

🤷
 
Ever since last year, when I started attending daily Mass a few times a week, it has made me dismayed about Sunday Mass.

It seems to me that the Church (at least my parish) has subdued the holiness of Sunday Mass, likely in favor of holding the audience, and I can’t say I’m happy about it.

First, I know the mass book says that common psalms can be used in place of the one that is designated for the Mass. But it has become tiresome that the responsorial every week for the past 2 years has been Psalm 34. Apparently, it’s the only Psalm that the choir leader likes to sing, and Heaven forbid we allow the lector to just read the responsorial in between the two readings that he or she reads. So, no matter what the USCCB says should be the Psalm of the week, it’s #34. At daily Mass, of course, the psalm that the lectionary says is the one for that day is the one that is read. This is important because many times, all the readings (including the R.P.) have a common theme, which is why they are chosen to be used together in the Mass.

Then there is a Eucharist, the most important part of the Mass. At daily Mass, there is complete silence as people walk to the front, receive the body and blood, and return to their pews, and for a couple minutes afterward. It’s such silence that the only voice heard is the priest saying “the Body of Christ” as each person approaches him. Sunday Mass? Two hymns, sung loudly, and often they are songs which are not Eucharistic songs. (When I was younger, the Eucharistic Hymn was always something along the lines of “Gift of Finest Wheat” or “We Are Yours.” Now it’s “whatever the choir leader feels like singing.”) And we’re supposed to sing the hymns, rather than praying silently.

Oh, one more thing, once the last person has returned to the pew after Communion is distributed, and while the sacred hosts are being brought to the tabernacle, here come the ushers for the second collection! I was brought up to remain kneeling and in prayer until the tabernacle is closed, now I am trying to do so while a basket is being held in front of my face.

Then, sometimes Sunday Mass continues after Communion with “special blessings” for this person or that person, or a certain group of people. Or a standing ovation for the choir. Or something else.

People at daily Mass are all there to be there for Mass. People at Sunday Mass I’m not sure why some of them are there; maybe to be seen, maybe it’s their social gathering for the week, I don’t even know anymore. But based on how much chit-chat is going on, I find it hard to believe that their #1 reason for being there is worship of God.
In the parish I attend, the pastor has instituted a rule that any socializing after mass should be done in the church’s social hall since people are praying in the the pews and need silence.

Have you tried talking to the priest? You could tell him of your concerns.

By the way, why is Sunday mass less holy than weekday mass just because you do not like how others behave?
 
The irony of course is that you are complaining about Psalm 34, and it IS the Psalm in the lectionary for last Sunday and this Sunday.
 
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