Sunday Mass Obligation

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We had a bad snow storm overnight and the roads this morning were not in good shape. I decided to go to Mass this evening and told my wife as much. The children were sleigh riding and she went over to meet them. They did not return in time so I had to go solo. The children in question are post 1st Communion age. Is it a mortal sin for me not to have made sure my kids made it to Mass?
 
You told your wife. . .did you tell your children? Did you tell them that they absolutely had to be home by a certain time in order to make Mass? Or did you make your decision after they had gone out to play? Did they get home 5 or 10 minutes after you left–and were you “right on time”?

Not enough info here to make even an educated guess, I’m afraid.
 
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You told your wife. . .did you tell your children? Did you tell them that they absolutely had to be home by a certain time in order to make Mass? Or did you make your decision after they had gone out to play? Did they get home 5 or 10 minutes after you left–and were you “right on time”?

Not enough info here to make even an educated guess, I’m afraid.
I probably mentioned it to them - I can’t recall exactly. They are fairly young - 8 and 9 years old.
 
Just have them go to confession before receiving Communion. Too many people skip Sunday Mass and then waltz right up for Communion like it’s their right, and not a privilege.
 
I second paramedic girl. It is certainly possible (since you can’t remember) that they didn’t realize that they could HAVE the opportunity to go to Mass–and if they did not, then they did not sin at all. And if your wife tried to get them, and did not get back in time, then she did not really sin either. God does not hold us to the impossible. If there was not enough time to get the kids and get them home before you left, He didn’t expect her to suddenly develop superspeed or bilocation. I’m sure she’ll want to go to confession anyway to say, “Bless me Father, I missed Mass last Sunday, though not through my own fault. . .I would have gone had I been able to get the children home in time to go”, and the children likewise, “Bless us Father, we missed Mass last week, with the snow, we didn’t realize that we could go later and by the time Mom caught up with us and got us home Dad had left”.
 
was there a snowsotrm and that prevemnted them from going to a later mass and you made the only mass before the road closed?
 
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paramedicgirl:
Just have them go to confession before receiving Communion. Too many people skip Sunday Mass and then waltz right up for Communion like it’s their right, and not a privilege.
I have asked several priests on this issue and have received mixed results. A lot of times the priest says it is still alright to go to communion if I miss mass as long as I have the intention of going to conrfession some time in the future. However if I have missed mass I usually will tell a priest beforehand, not really a confession but just basically get absolved from that one thing.
 
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wjp984:
I have asked several priests on this issue and have received mixed results. A lot of times the priest says it is still alright to go to communion if I miss mass as long as I have the intention of going to conrfession some time in the future. However if I have missed mass I usually will tell a priest beforehand, not really a confession but just basically get absolved from that one thing.
hmmm. The thing with confession is you can’t just go along and confess “one thing” - that’s a flawed understanding of the sacrament, and of sin in general. a confession needs to be full - ALL your sins.

reading some of the other posts - again, to say in confession “forgive me this sin but it wasn’t my fault.” is a flawed understanding of sin. If it wasn’t your fault, it wasn’t sin. you can’t go to the Sacrament of Penance with reservations - you’ve either sinned and want to seek forgiveness, or you haven’t.

I’d like to say more, thinking this is not that clear, but have to go write an essay.

Remember Christ has payed the price for your sins - when you’ve asked forgiveness, it’s as if your sins never were - you are blameless.
 
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Balance:
hmmm. The thing with confession is you can’t just go along and confess “one thing” - that’s a flawed understanding of the sacrament, and of sin in general. a confession needs to be full - ALL your sins.

reading some of the other posts - again, to say in confession “forgive me this sin but it wasn’t my fault.” is a flawed understanding of sin. If it wasn’t your fault, it wasn’t sin. you can’t go to the Sacrament of Penance with reservations - you’ve either sinned and want to seek forgiveness, or you haven’t.

I’d like to say more, thinking this is not that clear, but have to go write an essay.

Remember Christ has payed the price for your sins - when you’ve asked forgiveness, it’s as if your sins never were - you are blameless.
There is too much emphasis these days on protecting the person’s emotions from their own accountability before God. The result has been a generation of people who think they don’t sin, or that sin isn’t their fault. This is a sure path to hell.

When someone in my family misses Sunday Mass, they go to Confession before approaching the Sacrament of Communion. My daughter just missed Mass due to the flu. She will go to Confession before Communion next week. This sets a good example for others who miss Mass frequently and still receive Communion, I think.
 
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paramedicgirl:
There is too much emphasis these days on protecting the person’s emotions from their own accountability before God. The result has been a generation of people who think they don’t sin, or that sin isn’t their fault. This is a sure path to hell.

When someone in my family misses Sunday Mass, they go to Confession before approaching the Sacrament of Communion. My daughter just missed Mass due to the flu. She will go to Confession before Communion next week. This sets a good example for others who miss Mass frequently and still receive Communion, I think.
missing Mass becuase you’ve got the flu is in no way, not ever, a sin. To suggest it is, is NOT a “good example” at all. It’s only an example of being overly scrupulous. With all due respect, to tell your daughter she’s sinned by being sick is not healthy nor helpful to her or to your family. that’s the sort of thing that adults look back at and say, “what the…?”

a sure path to hell? language like that is hardly helpful.
 
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paramedicgirl:
The result has been a generation of people who think they don’t sin,.
and this is as bad as the generation before it, who thought that every little thing was a sin.
there’s a balance in the middle that we have to work towards.
 
CCC 2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor.119 Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.
 
Now you have me worried. We had snow and ice yesterday and I live in a rural area with several hills to get out to the main road. I did not try it yesterday and now I am wondering if I did wrong.
 
Let me try this again.

We had about 20" of snow Saturday night into Sunday morning so Sunday morning Mass was out of the question. We went about our normal course of business and I made a mental note to myself that going to 530pm Mass would be a good idea and then mentioned it to my wife. Throughout the day we had visitors including non-Catholic relatives who took the children sleigh rising. My wife went over to where they were sleigh riding around 4pm and I told her again that I would like to go to 530 Mass. They did not get back in time so I had to go alone. Keep in mind that my wife is a lukewarm Catholic - missing Mass is no big deal to her.

So I guess I have two questions:
  1. Is it a mortal sin to the parent for not ensuring that their post-Communion age children make it to Mass?
  2. If it is - is it a mortal sin under the circumstances outlined above?
 
S.J.:
. The children in question are post 1st Communion age. Is it a mortal sin for me not to have made sure my kids made it to Mass?
congratulations for phrasing the question right, it is certainly not the kids’ fault. It all depends on what arrangements you and your wife made, and how well those arrangements worked. If you both tried your best but failed it was a mistake, not a sin. Certainly weather was no longer a factor in the afternoon if they could go sledding. If a parent made a deliberate choice for the recreation over Mass, that would be a sin, moreover because it would be teaching the children such a choice is acceptable. Sounds like a miscalculation of how much time it would take to get the kids where they needed to be, nothing deliberate, so no sin. But that is speculation, nobody knows what is in the heart.
 
Certainly 20" of snow is a legitimate reason not to attend morning Mass, I am guessing many parishes may have cancelled Mass (that is what a number of Diocese here in FL did during 2004 hurricanes) in order to keep people off the road and endangering themselves.

That said, obviously at some point you realized you would be able to attend the evening Mass. You ‘mentioned’ to your wife that you would like to attend the 5:30 Mass. Perhaps it would have been better to tell your wife you would be attending the 5:30 Mass and the children would need to be back in time to get cleaned up to go to Mass.

Is any of this a mortal sin, I don’t know for sure. In order for a mortal sin to be committed, the full knowledge and intent have to be present. Did you know that your children would not be back in time and you let them go anyway? Did you intend to make the situation thus that they would miss Mass? Regardless, if it is a concern to you, then take it to confession.

You might also use this as a teaching opportunity to your children that even though the weather was bad enough in the morning to prevent attending Mass, it wasn’t bad enough in the afternoon to prevent them from going sleigh riding or from attending the evening Mass. Teach them that Mass on Sunday is the priority, everything else is secondary, including sleigh riding after a big snow.
 
It sounds like it was just overlooked that time. Unless it’s a regular thing, I wouldn’t be concerned. Just listen to your conscience. God knows what’s in everyone’s hearts.
 
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Balance:
missing Mass becuase you’ve got the flu is in no way, not ever, a sin. To suggest it is, is NOT a “good example” at all. It’s only an example of being overly scrupulous. With all due respect, to tell your daughter she’s sinned by being sick is not healthy nor helpful to her or to your family. that’s the sort of thing that adults look back at and say, “what the…?”

a sure path to hell? language like that is hardly helpful.
Where did I say that I told my daughter she sinned by having the flu and missing Mass? You are really taking too much liberty with your interpretation of my post. I said she missed Mass due to the flu and will go to confession before receiving Communion. That is because she felt she actually could have gone to Mass after all. This was day 8 of the flu and she was up and around as soon as I left for Mass.

Shame on you for jumping to conclusions!

And you say you don’t believe missing Mass routinely and still going for Communion like it’s a right and not a privilege isn’t a sure path to hell, then please realize that is exactly the attitude that is so prevalent in the Church today. Your comment that language like that is hardly helpful reminds me of the parishioners who routinely scold our priest when he dares to deliver a homily aimed at teaching faith and morals. They are too spiritually weak to hear any hard hitting Catholic truths about the justice of God. They only want to hear about His mercy. They don’t want to think about hell at all.
 
S.J.:
Let me try this again.

We had about 20" of snow Saturday night into Sunday morning so Sunday morning Mass was out of the question. We went about our normal course of business and I made a mental note to myself that going to 530pm Mass would be a good idea and then mentioned it to my wife. Throughout the day we had visitors including non-Catholic relatives who took the children sleigh rising. My wife went over to where they were sleigh riding around 4pm and I told her again that I would like to go to 530 Mass. They did not get back in time so I had to go alone. Keep in mind that my wife is a lukewarm Catholic - missing Mass is no big deal to her.

So I guess I have two questions:
  1. Is it a mortal sin to the parent for not ensuring that their post-Communion age children make it to Mass?
  2. If it is - is it a mortal sin under the circumstances outlined above?
There’s really no possible way that we can really answer these questions. We don’t know what was going on in your head or your wife’s. It wouldn’t appear that she understands that it is a sin to miss Mass save for serious reason. Maybe you made the effort, maybe you didn’t make enough of one. The only thing that we can know for sure is that missing mass without serious reason is a sin. I’d go to confession with the whole family just in case. The kids certainly need to be let in on the fact that it’s far more important to make it to Mass than to sled.
 
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paramedicgirl:
Where did I say that I told my daughter she sinned by having the flu and missing Mass? You are really taking too much liberty with your interpretation of my post. I said she missed Mass due to the flu and will go to confession before receiving Communion. That is because she felt she actually could have gone to Mass after all. This was day 8 of the flu and she was up and around as soon as I left for Mass.

Shame on you for jumping to conclusions!

And you say you don’t believe missing Mass routinely and still going for Communion like it’s a right and not a privilege isn’t a sure path to hell, then please realize that is exactly the attitude that is so prevalent in the Church today. Your comment that language like that is hardly helpful reminds me of the parishioners who routinely scold our priest when he dares to deliver a homily aimed at teaching faith and morals. They are too spiritually weak to hear any hard hitting Catholic truths about the justice of God. They only want to hear about His mercy. They don’t want to think about hell at all.
Hi Paramedicgirl,
I bolded the part of your post that I agree with 100%. Our Bishop just issued a very stern warning that missing mass is a very serious, grave, MORTAL sin. This was in repsonse to a recent report that for the first time in US history, Protestants are attending church more regularly than Catholics. How sad. 😦

But in defense of Balance’s post, when I read your original post I also wondered why your daughter would have to go to confession if she missed mass because she was sick? I pictured her throwing up all over… which would explain why she’d need to miss - which would mean no sin on her part. I can totally see why Balance questioned the necessity of confession.

Now that you’ve explained it was actually day 8 of the flu & she was just fine after you left - well that makes more sense. 🙂

Peace,
CM
 
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