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Hello all! As I sat and reviewed the details for the 4 day trip to DC that my 8th grader (public school) has the option to attend, I suddenly realized that the trip goes Friday night through Tuesday morning–no options for getting to mass on Sunday! Anyone have any experience with this trip? Ugh!!!

*the trip is on a very structured timeline, arranged by a tour company and transport is by bus, no cars.
 
Hello all! As I sat and reviewed the details for the 4 day trip to DC that my 8th grader (public school) has the option to attend, I suddenly realized that the trip goes Friday night through Tuesday morning–no options for getting to mass on Sunday! Anyone have any experience with this trip? Ugh!!!

*the trip is on a very structured timeline, arranged by a tour company and transport is by bus, no cars.
I’m not familiar with the trip, but there are lots of Masses in DC.

St Matthews is in Dupont Circle
the National Shrine is near Catholic University
Holy Trinity is in Georgetown and there are many many campus Masses at all times of day at Georgetown and presumably Catholic University of America
etc., etc.

Here are Georgetown’s Sunday Masses:

11:00 a.m., 12:30 p.m., 5:00 p.m., 7:30 p.m., 9:30 p.m., 11:00 p.m. in Dahlgren Chapel

Seriously, your kid should be done site-seeing by 11 PM.

The trip people should have dealt with this issue a number of times.

Really, the main issue is probably just transportation there and back, but if there are a couple of kids with the same need, presumably the trip people will figure it out.

Good luck!
 
Many of DC’s Catholic churches would be a fine addition to your child’s site seeing.

St. Matthews Cathedral, for instance, was the church where JFK’s funeral Mass was celebrated.
 
I’m not familiar with the trip, but there are lots of Masses in DC.

St Matthews is in Dupont Circle
the National Shrine is near Catholic University
Holy Trinity is in Georgetown and there are many many campus Masses at all times of day at Georgetown and presumably Catholic University of America
etc., etc.

Here are Georgetown’s Sunday Masses:

11:00 a.m., 12:30 p.m., 5:00 p.m., 7:30 p.m., 9:30 p.m., 11:00 p.m. in Dahlgren Chapel

Seriously, your kid should be done site-seeing by 11 PM.

The trip people should have dealt with this issue a number of times.

Really, the main issue is probably just transportation there and back, but if there are a couple of kids with the same need, presumably the trip people will figure it out.

Good luck!
Yes, I’d just ask the organizers.
 
Hello all! As I sat and reviewed the details for the 4 day trip to DC that my 8th grader (public school) has the option to attend, I suddenly realized that the trip goes Friday night through Tuesday morning–no options for getting to mass on Sunday! Anyone have any experience with this trip? Ugh!!!

*the trip is on a very structured timeline, arranged by a tour company and transport is by bus, no cars.
As others have suggested, I would suggest speaking with those organising the trip and any other Catholic parent and/or Catholic chaperone to see if an arrangement can be made.

Having said that and having organised events like this, the size of the group can affect the ability to accommodate specific requests. I would presume that from the perspective of the public school, this request would be treated on an equal and non-preferential basis as any religious/cultural/special needs request.

I can well imagine that they could not allow the child to be away from the group in the midst of the activities since there is a danger if the rendezvous is missed…and being out late at night represents too many hazards for a child in a strange city.

If the logistics are too much, the child would be excused from the Sunday obligation in this circumstance. You can speak to your parish priest for reassurance.
 
If the logistics are too much, the child would be excused from the Sunday obligation in this circumstance. You can speak to your parish priest for reassurance.
Don’t assume that. Speak with your priest.
It may be best to not go on an unnecessary trip that leaves you without the ability to go to Mass. (do research other options first, though)
 
Don’t assume that. Speak with your priest.
It may be best to not go on an unnecessary trip that leaves you without the ability to go to Mass. (do research other options first, though)
I am a priest, as my username indicates.
 
I am a priest, as my username indicates.
In all fairness, there’s nothing there that clearly states ecclesial status; it could just as easily be the name “Don” + last name.

Thanks Padre, for your (name removed by moderator)ut!

ICXC NIKA
 
Don’t assume that. Speak with your priest.
It may be best to not go on an unnecessary trip that leaves you without the ability to go to Mass. (do research other options first, though)
Even if the obligation is not automatically dispensed, it is possible to get a dispensation from it.

To negate the kid making this trip over this issue, without ascertaining alternative possibilities, will in all likelihood seem like a punishment, rather than teaching faithfulness to the Church.

ICXC NIJA
 
In all fairness, there’s nothing there that clearly states ecclesial status; it could just as easily be the name “Don” + last name.

Thanks Padre, for your (name removed by moderator)ut!

ICXC NIKA
But Don is not my name…it is my ecclesiastical title.

The same would be true of Abbé…and of course the French should be instantly recognised. It is at the foundation of the Church’s history in the United States and Canada.

Europeans, after all, know North America’s customs…I have never understood why anyone in North America would not understand and recognise Europe’s convention.
 
Europeans, after all, know North America’s customs…I have never understood why anyone in North America would not understand and recognise Europe’s convention.
Because Don is **literally **a first name in North America, and a very common one. Short for Donald.

When in the U.S. someone sees “Don” the first thing one would logically think is that it is your name.

Only through context or signature or having read other posts of yours would one catch on that it is a title.
 
But Don is not my name…it is my ecclesiastical title.

The same would be true of Abbé…and of course the French should be instantly recognised. It is at the foundation of the Church’s history in the United States and Canada.

Europeans, after all, know North America’s customs…I have never understood why anyone in North America would not understand and recognise Europe’s convention.
Because the European conventions are numerous, unlike NA’s?

In Spain and its New World annexes, after all, “Don” is used neither as a personal name nor per se as a priestly title, but as a masculine honorific (i.e., Don Quixote).

It is true of course, that in NA many live life without interacting with any other nation, and can do so all too easily if they choose; but there is some room for confusion.

ICXC NIKA
 
Because Don is **literally **a first name in North America, and a very common one. Short for Donald.

When in the U.S. someone sees “Don” the first thing one would logically think is that it is your name.

Only through context or signature or having read other posts of yours would one catch on that it is a title.
Plus, why would Americans recognize European conventions? Fair or not, world affairs in the last 200 years generally revolved around the US, not a random European country (even Italy).
 
Plus, why would Americans recognize European conventions? Fair or not, world affairs in the last 200 years generally revolved around the US, not a random European country (even Italy).
Well, that comment actually says quite a lot.
 
Because Don is **literally **a first name in North America, and a very common one. Short for Donald.

When in the U.S. someone sees “Don” the first thing one would logically think is that it is your name.

Only through context or signature or having read other posts of yours would one catch on that it is a title.
I stand by my assessment…which actually has only diminished.

And with that, I am unsubscribing from this thread.

Good bye.
 
Well, what else do you expect folks to say, Fr.? That’s the reality of world affairs, like it or not. I didn’t say it wouldn’t be nice if more people were polyglots, but the fact is this board is seemingly a majority American.

So what exactly does that comment say again, Fr.?
 
I am a priest, as my username indicates.
Don Ruggero, I don’t mean to be disrespectful. I have spoken with a priest on the matter before and have been advised it is better to miss the trip than to go and miss Mass (he was talking to me specifically when he advised this, which is why I was suggesting for the OP to talk with their priest that knows them). That is my only reason to give my advice, to talk with their priest. I will definitely bow out of this here though, since you are a priest and I am not. I pray none of what I said was disrespectful, because I would not want to disrespect you in any way, shape, or form.

Thank you for your dedication to our Church!
 
Hello all! As I sat and reviewed the details for the 4 day trip to DC that my 8th grader (public school) has the option to attend, I suddenly realized that the trip goes Friday night through Tuesday morning–no options for getting to mass on Sunday! Anyone have any experience with this trip? Ugh!!!

*the trip is on a very structured timeline, arranged by a tour company and transport is by bus, no cars.
There are too many factors to effectively give advice here, it’s probably best to speak to your own pastor. He can dispense your child from mass before the trip begins.

I am sure that the trip chaperones will not let an 8th grader go off by themselves. If a chaperone goes with him/her it might be possible to go to Mass. So you can also talk to the trip organizers.

But, bottom line, if it isn’t possible for your child to go, there is no obligation. And, moreover, your pastor can dispense the obligation.
 
Hello all! As I sat and reviewed the details for the 4 day trip to DC that my 8th grader (public school) has the option to attend, I suddenly realized that the trip goes Friday night through Tuesday morning–no options for getting to mass on Sunday! Anyone have any experience with this trip? Ugh!!!

*the trip is on a very structured timeline, arranged by a tour company and transport is by bus, no cars.
My son went on an 8th grade D.C. trip with his school and I know how extremely intensively planned every single moment of these trips are. I would NOT just call the school and make a request unless you have done some homework and studied the agenda and logistics and then only ask if you have a very good plan to suggest that fits their schedule. Still I would be very careful not to be the difficult parent asking way too much (“Take my child to Mass, please”). I have experienced asking too much consideration for my child in school and I learned that it is typical for the teacher to be super polite and accommodating to the requesting parent’s face but then take it out on your child - like with one little subtle disparaging illusion to “your mom”, for example, which the child picks up on. One or two of these mistakes and my son did not want me talking to his teachers at all, ever again.:eek: I did, though, but I got to treading very carefully in asking for accommodations (which I was happy to do when I was teaching, but everyone is different), and I padded my humble requests with plenty of compliments!😃

Probably asking for this Mass accommodation is way too much, and could be taken as an affronting irritation - something I would not want to risk. You don’t get your way AND you are tagged as too much. A tour bus makes an expensive ride to and from Mass. And probably some teacher looking forward to his/her well-earned nap or break would be asked by his/her superior to accompany your child. And in the entire 8th grade there may be NO others who would opt to go along with your child to Mass. That’s because Sunday Obligation is not preached from the pulpit any more - never in my son’s growing up did I ever hear it.😦 And being the only one being specially-accommodated this way will make your child stand out - everyone will want to know why your child is off doing something different. 8th graders do NOT like to stand out from their peers; they want to blend in. And the school staff does not like doing something that can be seen as favoring or out of the ordinary for any one child. Also if some faculty or staff does bring their own car on the trip that’s a lot to ask them, too.

I just would not ask for this accommodation at all. Its a great way to teach your child that Sunday is an obligation for Catholics, though. You can call your priest first, in case he is one of those casual “whatever” priests concerning Catholic obligations, asking if he would speak to your child (like after Mass) releasing him/her from Sunday obligation in a serious way (not discounting that it IS an obligation). And, you are not obliged to do this, but I did with my child - if for some reason we missed Mass - which was rare - we would go the next day, to a weekday morning or afternoon Mass. You could do it before the trip, if your child is all packed and rested - that takes vigilant planning ahead, though. (They come back tired!). That takes planning ahead, but all the extra work concerning Mass is on you, not the school. Maybe you can make it a positive together-experience, like a Wed. morning Mass, then out for a quick breakfast, then late to school.🙂 That’s if he/she does not have a vital morning class, and if you don’t mind doing that. (I was never adverse to my son missing a bit of school for anything that was positive for family or for his well-being…
 
My son went on an 8th grade D.C. trip with his school and I know how extremely intensively planned every single moment of these trips are. I would NOT just call the school and make a request unless you have done some homework and studied the agenda and logistics and then only ask if you have a very good plan to suggest that fits their schedule. Still I would be very careful not to be the difficult parent asking way too much (“Take my child to Mass, please”). I have experienced asking too much consideration for my child in school and I learned that it is typical for the teacher to be super polite and accommodating to the requesting parent’s face but then take it out on your child - like with one little subtle disparaging illusion to “your mom”, for example, which the child picks up on. One or two of these mistakes and my son did not want me talking to his teachers at all, ever again.:eek: I did, though, but I got to treading very carefully in asking for accommodations (which I was happy to do when I was teaching, but everyone is different), and I padded my humble requests with plenty of compliments!😃

Probably asking for this Mass accommodation is way too much, and could be taken as an affronting irritation - something I would not want to risk. You don’t get your way AND you are tagged as too much. A tour bus makes an expensive ride to and from Mass. And probably some teacher looking forward to his/her well-earned nap or break would be asked by his/her superior to accompany your child. And in the entire 8th grade there may be NO others who would opt to go along with your child to Mass. That’s because Sunday Obligation is not preached from the pulpit any more - never in my son’s growing up did I ever hear it.😦 And being the only one being specially-accommodated this way will make your child stand out - everyone will want to know why your child is off doing something different. 8th graders do NOT like to stand out from their peers; they want to blend in. And the school staff does not like doing something that can be seen as favoring or out of the ordinary for any one child. Also if some faculty or staff does bring their own car on the trip that’s a lot to ask them, too.

I just would not ask for this accommodation at all. Its a great way to teach your child that Sunday is an obligation for Catholics, though. You can call your priest first, in case he is one of those casual “whatever” priests concerning Catholic obligations, asking if he would speak to your child (like after Mass) releasing him/her from Sunday obligation in a serious way (not discounting that it IS an obligation). And, you are not obliged to do this, but I did with my child - if for some reason we missed Mass - which was rare - we would go the next day, to a weekday morning or afternoon Mass. You could do it before the trip, if your child is all packed and rested - that takes vigilant planning ahead, though. (They come back tired!). That takes planning ahead, but all the extra work concerning Mass is on you, not the school. Maybe you can make it a positive together-experience, like a Wed. morning Mass, then out for a quick breakfast, then late to school.🙂 That’s if he/she does not have a vital morning class, and if you don’t mind doing that. (I was never adverse to my son missing a bit of school for anything that was positive for family or for his well-being…
+1.

Going to DC should be part of every young American’s education. And for those youths who are Catholic, so should the reminder that we are a non-Catholic nation, and so, our duties before the Church will not be secured by others, but are between us and God.

Perhaps have the boy call the parish priest himself and ask for dispensation?

ICXC NIKA
 
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