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Sungenis wanted to respond to White’s claims about him that were brought up from this forum…
I hope I am not breaking any rules or anything else I just thought it would interest some since it clears a few things we had doubts about…
White writes:
aomin.org/index.php?itemid=494
Sungenis Responds:
Fooled by a “very troubled kid”? Yes. But with the “the most absurd accusations,” not even close.
The very reason I put stock into Mr. X’s accusations against Webster and company is that I had discovered long ago the same cut-and-paste distortions of the Fathers on the subject of Sola Scriptura of which Mr. X was accusing them!!!
It only made sense to me that Mr. X was privy to the source of those manipulations, since I had seen the results in Webster’s book for myself.
William Webster has a reputation for selective citations from the Fathers, as does James White. They are like two peas in a pod. In fact, if either one of them would like to publically debate this issue, I would be more than obliged to show the world their devilish manipulations of the patristics.
As for White’s argument that “Sungenis is out of the mainstream,” it doesn’t hold a drop of water. Understand this, my fellow Catholics. James White was declining to debate me long before I took on a more traditional slant in the apostolate of CAI in 2002. I have the documentation to prove it.
And then add this to the unbalanced equation. While James White was singing the blues that he wasn’t going to debate me because I had “left the mainstream” and had become a “traditionalist,” White arranged a debate with Gerry Matatics, a traditionalist that is more out of the mainstream than I, during the same time he was complaining to me, and he followed through with the debate even after I pointed out his hypocrisy in doing so!
As for Keating, Hahn and Sippo, as is usually the case, White is trying to capitalize on disagreements I have with other people to give himself an excuse not to debate me. I’m counting, and this is now the fifth excuse that White has used in order to escape the scrutiny of his Reformed Baptist belief system.
For the record, Sippo and I communicate quite regularly. Ask him yourself. There is one thing about Art Sippo, he gives everyone a fair shake. As for Keating, our disagreements lie mostly in the fact that Karl refuses to touch the hot button issues that are most troubling the Church, and that is why I don’t hesitate to criticize some of the work of Catholic Answers. As for Hahn, I’ll talk to him anytime he wants to drop me an email or call me on the phone. Despite our disagreements, Hahn and I together engaged a Protestant last year on the Internet, and we sent him home with his tail between his legs.
As for debating “mainstream” opponents, I suggest that you visit some of the people White has debated in the last few years and count how many fringe groups and individuals he either invites to debate or accepts their invitation to debate. You will see that the “mainstream” argument is nothing but a smoke screen.
My books, Not By Faith Alone and Not By Scripture Alone, remain top-sellers at both Amazon and Barnes and Noble. White wrote his own book on justification, “The God Who Justifies,” long before I left the “mainstream” (as he calls it), but White purposely didn’t make one reference to Not By Faith Alone. Some scholar. Some people told me he did so because he didn’t want me to come back and rebut his book.
And now, White has done the same thing with his latest book, Scripture Alone, pretending not to be polemical so that he can minimize his critics. But his plan has backfired. As soon as I’m done my present projects, I’m going to do a major written critique on both The God Who Justifies and Scripture Alone, and I can tell you this, I am not going to be merciful to James White.
The real truth is that James White wants to debate people like Rutland, Michuta and Pacwa because he knows they don’t have good debating skills, and thus he comes out smelling like a rose. He is a hypocrite of the first order, and you’ll do your best to stay away from him.
Robert Sungenis
I hope I am not breaking any rules or anything else I just thought it would interest some since it clears a few things we had doubts about…
White writes:
aomin.org/index.php?itemid=494
Sungenis Responds:
Fooled by a “very troubled kid”? Yes. But with the “the most absurd accusations,” not even close.
The very reason I put stock into Mr. X’s accusations against Webster and company is that I had discovered long ago the same cut-and-paste distortions of the Fathers on the subject of Sola Scriptura of which Mr. X was accusing them!!!
It only made sense to me that Mr. X was privy to the source of those manipulations, since I had seen the results in Webster’s book for myself.
William Webster has a reputation for selective citations from the Fathers, as does James White. They are like two peas in a pod. In fact, if either one of them would like to publically debate this issue, I would be more than obliged to show the world their devilish manipulations of the patristics.
As for White’s argument that “Sungenis is out of the mainstream,” it doesn’t hold a drop of water. Understand this, my fellow Catholics. James White was declining to debate me long before I took on a more traditional slant in the apostolate of CAI in 2002. I have the documentation to prove it.
And then add this to the unbalanced equation. While James White was singing the blues that he wasn’t going to debate me because I had “left the mainstream” and had become a “traditionalist,” White arranged a debate with Gerry Matatics, a traditionalist that is more out of the mainstream than I, during the same time he was complaining to me, and he followed through with the debate even after I pointed out his hypocrisy in doing so!
As for Keating, Hahn and Sippo, as is usually the case, White is trying to capitalize on disagreements I have with other people to give himself an excuse not to debate me. I’m counting, and this is now the fifth excuse that White has used in order to escape the scrutiny of his Reformed Baptist belief system.
For the record, Sippo and I communicate quite regularly. Ask him yourself. There is one thing about Art Sippo, he gives everyone a fair shake. As for Keating, our disagreements lie mostly in the fact that Karl refuses to touch the hot button issues that are most troubling the Church, and that is why I don’t hesitate to criticize some of the work of Catholic Answers. As for Hahn, I’ll talk to him anytime he wants to drop me an email or call me on the phone. Despite our disagreements, Hahn and I together engaged a Protestant last year on the Internet, and we sent him home with his tail between his legs.
As for debating “mainstream” opponents, I suggest that you visit some of the people White has debated in the last few years and count how many fringe groups and individuals he either invites to debate or accepts their invitation to debate. You will see that the “mainstream” argument is nothing but a smoke screen.
My books, Not By Faith Alone and Not By Scripture Alone, remain top-sellers at both Amazon and Barnes and Noble. White wrote his own book on justification, “The God Who Justifies,” long before I left the “mainstream” (as he calls it), but White purposely didn’t make one reference to Not By Faith Alone. Some scholar. Some people told me he did so because he didn’t want me to come back and rebut his book.
And now, White has done the same thing with his latest book, Scripture Alone, pretending not to be polemical so that he can minimize his critics. But his plan has backfired. As soon as I’m done my present projects, I’m going to do a major written critique on both The God Who Justifies and Scripture Alone, and I can tell you this, I am not going to be merciful to James White.
The real truth is that James White wants to debate people like Rutland, Michuta and Pacwa because he knows they don’t have good debating skills, and thus he comes out smelling like a rose. He is a hypocrite of the first order, and you’ll do your best to stay away from him.
Robert Sungenis
