Sunni vs Shia

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Hello. I have been thinking lately, within the context of Islam which seems closer to Muhammad’s teachings. I don’t want this to turn into a debate on Islam which I view as incorrect. I just want to hear other people’s opinions.

For me it would seem to be Shia. It provides for an orderly translation of leadership down. However I don’t know a lot about the Shia-Sunni disagreements. So for the sake of debate which is more correct?
 
Since you ask who is more faithful to his teachings, Shia or Sunni, I used this article.

One fundamental difference we have here is that Jesus promised to be with us until the end of time, while the Muslims don’t have Muhammad with them to “lead them into all truth”.

The Shia believe in infallible Imams, but then I believe they are a misguided faith: so what? At least the Shia try to “safeguard their faith”. So, it seems the Shia are the truest Muslims.
 
Hello. I have been thinking lately, within the context of Islam which seems closer to Muhammad’s teachings. I don’t want this to turn into a debate on Islam which I view as incorrect. I just want to hear other people’s opinions.

For me it would seem to be Shia. It provides for an orderly translation of leadership down. However I don’t know a lot about the Shia-Sunni disagreements. So for the sake of debate which is more correct?
On You-Tube I recently saw a talk done by a Muslim man who converted from Shia Islam to Sunni Islam. He spoke about how Shia practices shirk/blasphemy by praying to martyrs rather than to Allah/God alone. Honestly, the more he spoke the more Shia sounded very similar to Catholicism. I do believe that Sunni is more authentically Islam in that they worship & pray to Allah/God alone which the Quran is very clear about that no one should associate any partners with God.
 
Hello. I have been thinking lately, within the context of Islam which seems closer to Muhammad’s teachings. I don’t want this to turn into a debate on Islam which I view as incorrect. I just want to hear other people’s opinions.

For me it would seem to be Shia. It provides for an orderly translation of leadership down. However I don’t know a lot about the Shia-Sunni disagreements. So for the sake of debate which is more correct?
Seriously I have no clue except that I think the Shiite have a link or devotion for Mother Mary in some way.

That said, my first thought is Sunni are the first Mohammedans. 🤷

MJ
 
From what I know about history, I think the Sunni understanding is more correct. I’ve looked at some of the shia arguments that try to undermine Abu Bakr, Aisha, Umar and Uthman [may Allah be pleased with them], but none of them have held up to scrutiny.

The sahaba were the ones who were with the prophet when Gabriel [peace be upon him] came to sit with them and teach them about their deen [or ‘religion’]. The sahaba were there when verses were revealed to the prophet. They knew the prophet and the Qur’an better than anyone else. It’s only logical that the first caliph would be one of the sahaba; and who better than Abu Bakr, who was Muhammad’s best friend even before Muhammad’s prophetic calling?

The shias believe that after Muhammad died, the first caliph, or his rightful successor, should have been Ali, but shias believe that Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman conspired to steal the caliphate away from Ali and that Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman apostatized [a’udhu billah]. If these three men were going to apostatize, there would’ve been signs before Muhammad [peace be upon him] died. So was Ali a kind of double agent? did he know that these three men were kafirs, but refused to say anything or do anything about it until after the prophet died?
Bologna. It was not in Ali’s character to do that.

The shias also have differing views on the Mahdi, who is an islamic ruler that is yet to come. It’s is written in some shia literature that one of things the Mahdi will do is that he’ll bring Aisha back to life and will whip her. Whipping one of the mothers of the believers? have they lost their minds?

We could go on all day about how misguided the shia position is when it comes to who the first caliph should’ve been, what Aisha was like, Ali’s relationship with Abu Bakr, etc. They’ve tried to undercut Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman for centuries, but their theories all require you to check your brain at the door.
 
From what I know about history, I think the Sunni understanding is more correct. I’ve looked at some of the shia arguments that try to undermine Abu Bakr, Aisha, Umar and Uthman [may Allah be pleased with them], but none of them have held up to scrutiny.

The sahaba were the ones who were with the prophet when Gabriel [peace be upon him] came to sit with them and teach them about their deen [or ‘religion’]. The sahaba were there when verses were revealed to the prophet. They knew the prophet and the Qur’an better than anyone else. It’s only logical that the first caliph would be one of the sahaba; and who better than Abu Bakr, who was Muhammad’s best friend even before Muhammad’s prophetic calling?

The shias believe that after Muhammad died, the first caliph, or his rightful successor, should have been Ali, but shias believe that Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman conspired to steal the caliphate away from Ali and that Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman apostatized [a’udhu billah]. If these three men were going to apostatize, there would’ve been signs before Muhammad [peace be upon him] died. So was Ali a kind of double agent? did he know that these three men were kafirs, but refused to say anything or do anything about it until after the prophet died?
Bologna. It was not in Ali’s character to do that.

The shias also have differing views on the Mahdi, who is an islamic ruler that is yet to come. It’s is written in some shia literature that one of things the Mahdi will do is that he’ll bring Aisha back to life and will whip her. Whipping one of the mothers of the believers? have they lost their minds?

We could go on all day about how misguided the shia position is when it comes to who the first caliph should’ve been, what Aisha was like, Ali’s relationship with Abu Bakr, etc. They’ve tried to undercut Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman for centuries, but their theories all require you to check your brain at the door.
Thanks for your perspective. I guess I am drawn toward Shia because of its similarity to Catholicism.
 
Seems like a pointless discussion. Of what value is there in being “true” to false theological teaching?

From that perspective, all that matters is how closely each sect conforms to what God revealed in Scripture and Tradition. I’m not sure there is a real difference in that regard.

Who cares if Muhammed intended to establish a visible and unbroken line of succession or not? As christians, we know that God didn’t inspire him to take on the mantle of prophet at all, so weighing in on matters of Islamic authority succession is a fight in which we have no dog.

Apologies to Contarini (who I will attempt to paraphrase), but one cannot be faithful to a false teaching. Faithfulness is only applicable if it is applied to the truth. If it is applied to a falsehood, it isn’t faithfulness. He used this to make the point that christians have no business in opining whether muslims who believed in violent johad were the “real” muslims compared to those who wave away those passages of the Quran, but it applies here too.
 
Thanks for your perspective. I guess I am drawn toward Shia because of its similarity to Catholicism.
You’re welcome. They have some weird beliefs, but I don’t doubt that some of them are sincere muslims (just a bit misguided).
 
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