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Techno2000
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Venerable Mary of Agreda’s Body has Remained Incorrupt for more than 340 years.
themostholyrosary.com/mystical-city.htm
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Venerable Mary of Agreda’s Body has Remained Incorrupt for more than 340 years.
themostholyrosary.com/mystical-city.htm
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ProdigalSun
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schaeffer
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I think the idea is that if someone sees a vision or has a mystical experience that supports Catholicism, it is likely to be from God.
If someone has a mystical experience or vision that supports any other faith, it is likely the devil trying to fool them.
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Servant19
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Techno2000
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I love you Servant19, but I think you should use your great intelligence to embrace catholicism, remember you have to think your way to Heaven.:hug1:How convenient
It’s so embracing if that’s the case…I feel so loved
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Servant19
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Thankyou Techno, and my love for you is similarly expressed.
I like to think my way to heaven AND will myself to heaven amongst so many other things.
I love to hear REASONABLE responses to my questions. I would readily embrace Catholicism if my questions were answered first and foremost (if you look above, you have ignored several of my questions) and secondly if the answers were reasonable.
Reason is our gift from God. I like to use it
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SAVINGRACE
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Large snowflakes were falling in the early morning of December 20, 1962, when the Blessed Virgin of Mount Carmel, during an apparition of ninety minutes, revealed to Conchita that “after Pope John (XXIII), there will come three other Popes and after . . . there will be no more. No, four, for one of them would not really count, the Blessed Virgin told me!”
For several years, Conchita kept secret this prophetic allusion to the rule of an illegitimate and false-pope, or of an anti-pope. She confided it only in 1965, to Albrecht Weber, to whom she also told that, at the same apparition (December 20, 1962), the Blessed Virgin of Mount Carmel revealed to her that “one of the three (legitimate Popes yet to come after John XXIII, would have a very short Pontificate.” John Paul I undoubtedly! It was also explained on that Thursday to the visionary, that “after the last Pope will come the end of the times, which is not the end of the world.” These formidable revelations would again be the main item on the agenda, on June 3, 1963, the very day Pope John XXIII died!
[From ‘Garabandal’ Book, page 160]
A timely reminder about Russia from Sr Lucia’s messages received at Fatima.
youtube.com/watch?v=jCjmYEujp5Y
For several years, Conchita kept secret this prophetic allusion to the rule of an illegitimate and false-pope, or of an anti-pope. She confided it only in 1965, to Albrecht Weber, to whom she also told that, at the same apparition (December 20, 1962), the Blessed Virgin of Mount Carmel revealed to her that “one of the three (legitimate Popes yet to come after John XXIII, would have a very short Pontificate.” John Paul I undoubtedly! It was also explained on that Thursday to the visionary, that “after the last Pope will come the end of the times, which is not the end of the world.” These formidable revelations would again be the main item on the agenda, on June 3, 1963, the very day Pope John XXIII died!
[From ‘Garabandal’ Book, page 160]
A timely reminder about Russia from Sr Lucia’s messages received at Fatima.
youtube.com/watch?v=jCjmYEujp5Y
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Techno2000
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Read this, and the Mysteries of the Cathoic Church will be solved for you.Thankyou Techno, and my love for you is similarly expressed.
I like to think my way to heaven AND will myself to heaven amongst so many other things.
I love to hear REASONABLE responses to my questions. I would readily embrace Catholicism if my questions were answered first and foremost (if you look above, you have ignored several of my questions) and secondly if the answers were reasonable.
Reason is our gift from God. I like to use it
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themostholyrosary.com/mystical-city.htm
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Servant19
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Thankyou.Read this, and the Mysteries of the Cathoic Church will be solved for you.
themostholyrosary.com/mystical-city.htm
You still haven’t answered my questions and neither has this link.
I now have two further questions:
- What is it about the contents of this link that tells you that the mysteries of the CC will be solved for me?
- What does this sentence mean to you?
"But now, mankind has greater need for this manifestation, and this necessity urges Me to disregard their evil disposition."
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Techno2000
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Good Question Servant19; this is the Eternal Father speaking about Mary as co redeemer or Co-redemptrix and how powerful her intercession is for the sins of man and against Satan.In the start of the early church God kept hidden the power of the Virgin Mary as to first establish belief in Jesus, and not cause confusion of Mary being a co redeemer.
But in the future ages to come the power Darkness increased over the world so God wanting to make known the Power of the Blessed Mother.Its kinda like pulling out your Powerful Queen late in a Game of Chess.Reread it now that you know God is taking about Mary as Co-redemptrix.
“I have not revealed these mysteries in the primitive Church, because they are so great, that the faithful would have been lost in the contemplation and admiration of them at a time when it was more necessary to establish firmly the law of grace and of the Gospel. Although all mysteries of religion are in perfect harmony with each other, yet human ignorance might have suffered recoil and doubt at their magnitude, when faith in the Incarnation and Redemption and the precepts of the new law of the Gospel were yet in their beginnings.
On this same account the person of the incarnate Word said to his disciples at the last supper: “Many things have I to say to you; but you are not yet disposed to recieve them” (John 6, 12). These words He addressed to all the world, for it was not yet capable of giving full obedience to the law of grace and full assent to the faith in the Son, much less was it prepared to be introduced into the mysteries of his Mother. But now, mankind has greater need for this manifestation, and this necessity urges Me to disregard their evil disposition. And if men would now seek to please Me by reverencing, by living, and studying the wonders, which are intimately connected with this Mother of Piety, and if they would all begin to solicit her intercession from their whole heart, the world would find some relief. I will not longer withhold from men this mystical City of refuge; describe and delineate it to them, as far as thy shortcomings allow. I do not intend that thy descriptions and declarations of the life of the Blessed Virgin shall be mere opinions or contemplations, but reliable truth. They that have ears to hear, let them hear. Let those who thirst come to the living waters and leave the dried-out cisterns; let those that are seeking for the light, follow it to the end. Thus speaks the Lord God Almighty!”
Hail Mary prayer:
Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed are thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen.
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guycatholic
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I think this stuff is demonic. In the Bible when people saw angels they appeared as people and were recognized. I would stay away from all that stuff. But that’s just me.
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SAVINGRACE
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Read scripture again. It does not specifically mention that angels did not appear in their natural form. They can appear in human form but that is not the only form they appear in. Please watch the short video below, it explains the Catholic position on Mary clearly and supported by Scripture.
Our Lady is not an angel, she is the Ark of the New Covenant and the Queen of Heaven. If today you hear his voice… harden not your hearts. It is a Spiritual Work of Mercy to share this with others.
youtube.com/watch?v=kUdYeYy3NQA
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Gary_Sheldrake
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I have seen some of the incorrupt bodies of saints in person and did some research on them. Most of the ones I have seen have had their faces and hands augmented by either wax or plaster. Most examinations of these corpses show varying stages of decomposition that is not all that out of the ordinary for the dry and sealed conditions in which they are normally kept. Others were exhumed and found to be very much in tact because of the conditions of the burial sites, not much different from what is often found with non-saintly remains.
That said, I have often wondered what point an omniscient being would have in partially preserving corpses. Why not preserve it perfectly, so there is no question. The problem is that there is always room for questions in such matters, especially in the case or partially decomposed corpses. Now, I am not saying that these tings aren’t miraculous. I am saying that they don’t seem very miraculous when you examine them for yourself. I have seen some that were clearly rotted corpses with masks on. I have seen others that were pretty well preserved, but his didn’t seem very miraculous since they were in dry, sealed glass enclosures, and looked much like what you would expect in a dry and sealed enclosure. I have seen ordinary bodies exhumed after a number of years, and depending on the condition of the coffin and the skill or the mortician, they can look just as good as these saints.
But again, the question is why would God do such things as parlor tricks, when there are so many amazing things the hand that created the stars, the planets and sentient beings could do to entertain itself and who does it need to impress? And if God does perform tricks, why would it perform such unimpressive ones? I don’t understand that.
Just some questions.
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Techno2000
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Well actually its her book more than her body that I find so fascinating.
themostholyrosary.com/mystical-city.htm
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SAVINGRACE
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I know many Catholics like who choose to stay away from it.
In our case the CC has to sanction the sighting first. Catholics are discouraged from participating unless it has been sanctioned by the Church. This can take many years (5years-hundreds of years in some cases) and has to go through a verification process.
In so called Miracle cases: the case must be a non-curable disease AND healing has to be instantaneous. Secular and religious medical and psychological doctors examine and monitor the patient over years.
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Gary_Sheldrake
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I have been told a lot about original sin as a Catholic. My understanding is that original sin has its origins in a garden. It is further my understanding that the eating of the fruit is a metaphor of some kind. I have heard lots of ideas on what it’s a metaphor about, but am unaware of what the actual act was, and I haven’t heard any solid stance from the church on what the fruit represents or what the actual sin was. Not on a firm, definite or official level. Some say it was sexual, while others say it was self-awareness and so on. I wonder if it was the development of language or agriculture. These were two signal events that separated us from the natural wonder of existence, but who can say? That said, I have simply always found it to be rather strange to be in need of salvation on the account of an act that hasn’t been very well defined. Kind of like needing an attorney (or savior), having been convicted of an unnamed crime of nebulous particulars. I am only being honest (which I think is the most acceptable approach), and if I were to have a conversation with God (one where you can actually hear a verbal answer), I would have to ask “what’s the charge?”
As a Catholic, I ask these questions in earnest.
Thanks you,
Gary
That’s an interesting idea. Is this your theory or one that’s been trafficked in some official capacity? I’m wondering if the partial decay of certain saints is a process defined by some divine law, wherein such things happen automatically upon the death of certain saints who have met some unknown criteria that sets them apart from saints who rot, or is it something that happens on a case by case basis where God decides to do something semi-miraculous as a sign of some kind , in the event that the stars and planets and the conscious ability of sentient beings to ponder such things weren’t miraculous enough in and of themselves?
As a Catholic, I ask these questions in earnest.
Thanks you,
Gary
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PRmerger
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I think your misapprehension lies in the fact that you view us as being convicted because of this act.
That is not Catholic teaching.
Only people who commit sins can be convicted of an act.
We simply suffer the effects of their sin.
We are not convicted of an act we didn’t do.
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Gary_Sheldrake
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That’s an interesting idea PR Merger (It’s good to hear from you again by the way). The broader question is what act is it that we are suffering the effects of? Personally, I think suffering is an existential imperative. Pleasure is only known in relation to pain, light to dark, warm to cold, and so on. A fish knows nothing of water, because it is always in water. Not knowing dry, it has no concept of wet. That said, I have spent a lifetime being told that we suffer because of a primordial sin that occurred in the distant past. The question is what was the sin?
Thanks,
Gary
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PRmerger
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Have you read the magnificent encyclical Veritatis Splendor? The Church gives beautiful and insightful guidance as to this primordial sin there.
With this imagery, Revelation teaches that the power to decide what is good and what is evil does not belong to man, but to God alone. The man is certainly free, inasmuch as he can understand and accept God’s commands. And he possesses an extremely far-reaching freedom, since he can eat “of every tree of the garden”. But his freedom is not unlimited: it must halt before the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil”, for it is called to accept the moral law given by God. In fact, human freedom finds its authentic and complete fulfilment precisely in the acceptance of that law. God, who alone is good, knows perfectly what is good for man, and by virtue of his very love proposes this good to man in the commandments.
Essentially: the human person does not get to declare “this is good!” and “this is evil!”
The job of the human person is to discern what already is good and evil.
It is beyond our pay grade to say, for example, “abortion is to be tolerated because we have the right to kill human beings in the womb for reasons A, B and C”.
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PRmerger
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Back at 'cha, Gary!
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