Supernatural: Catholic and Non-Catholic

[Servant19]

Good Question Servant19; this is the Eternal Father speaking about Mary as co redeemer or Co-redemptrix and how powerful her intercession is for the sins of man and against Satan.In the start of the early church God kept hidden the power of the Virgin Mary as to first establish belief in Jesus, and not cause confusion of Mary being a co redeemer.
But in the future ages to come the power Darkness increased over the world so God wanting to make known the Power of the Blessed Mother.Its kinda like pulling out your Powerful Queen late in a Game of Chess.Reread it now that you know God is taking about Mary as Co-redemptrix.

“I have not revealed these mysteries in the primitive Church, because they are so great, that the faithful would have been lost in the contemplation and admiration of them at a time when it was more necessary to establish firmly the law of grace and of the Gospel. Although all mysteries of religion are in perfect harmony with each other, yet human ignorance might have suffered recoil and doubt at their magnitude, when faith in the Incarnation and Redemption and the precepts of the new law of the Gospel were yet in their beginnings.
On this same account the person of the incarnate Word said to his disciples at the last supper: “Many things have I to say to you; but you are not yet disposed to recieve them” (John 6, 12). These words He addressed to all the world, for it was not yet capable of giving full obedience to the law of grace and full assent to the faith in the Son, much less was it prepared to be introduced into the mysteries of his Mother. But now, mankind has greater need for this manifestation, and this necessity urges Me to disregard their evil disposition. And if men would now seek to please Me by reverencing, by living, and studying the wonders, which are intimately connected with this Mother of Piety, and if they would all begin to solicit her intercession from their whole heart, the world would find some relief. I will not longer withhold from men this mystical City of refuge; describe and delineate it to them, as far as thy shortcomings allow. I do not intend that thy descriptions and declarations of the life of the Blessed Virgin shall be mere opinions or contemplations, but reliable truth. They that have ears to hear, let them hear. Let those who thirst come to the living waters and leave the dried-out cisterns; let those that are seeking for the light, follow it to the end. Thus speaks the Lord God Almighty!”

Hail Mary prayer:
Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed are thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen.

Ok so Mary can intecede in the forgiveness of my sins, along with Jesus.

I’m happy to simply accept that, but how do you know that this is the Truth and not some vain imagination given by Satan to distract you from Jesus?

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[Servant19]

So after reading some parts of Moses’ ministry (Exodus 4, amongst others) you would conclude that Moses was similarly demon possessed?

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[Servant19]

Well actually its her book more than her body that I find so fascinating. themostholyrosary.com/mystical-city.htm

So why not just share the book?

I’m certainly not impressed by the picture, its manifestly manipulated by human hands

 

[Techno2000]

Ok so Mary can intecede in the forgiveness of my sins, along with Jesus.

I’m happy to simply accept that, but how do you know that this is the Truth and not some vain imagination given by Satan to distract you from Jesus?

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Because the book is 100% approved by the Catholic Church.

 

[Techno2000]

So why not just share the book?

I’m certainly not impressed by the picture, its manifestly manipulated by human hands

Because this thread is about the Supernatural, how was it manifestly manipulated by
human hands?

 

[Servant19]

Because the book is 100% approved by the Catholic Church.

And here we now go back to the post I wrote talking about a religion that claims to love everybody, yet dismisses the visions of peoples of other Faiths as being demonic.

I see no love in Catholicism if that is what is being concluded.

So you say you love me, but in reality that cannot be true. Our mutual friend ChrististheWay wrote in detail about his vision, (a vision that was repeated on several occasions) of Baha’u’llah having visited him and having told Him that He is the return of Christ. How is it loving to tell him that his vision is demonic?



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[Servant19]

Because this thread is about the Supernatural, how was it manifestly manipulated by
human hands?

Because I am confident that if I was to take a biopsy of the skin shown in your photo, I would find similar materials to what I would find at Madame Tussauds Wax Museum.

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[Servant19]

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[Techno2000]

And here we now go back to the post I wrote talking about a religion that claims to love everybody, yet dismisses the visions of peoples of other Faiths as being demonic.

I see no love in Catholicism if that is what is being concluded.

So you say you love me, but in reality that cannot be true. Our mutual friend ChrististheWay wrote in detail about his vision, (a vision that was repeated on several occasions) of Baha’u’llah having visited him and having told Him that He is the return of Christ. How is it loving to tell him that his vision is demonic?



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Can you blame me as a Catholic when I have to follow these Scriptures:

For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:

And no wonder, even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell!

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect

 

[Servant19]

Can you blame me as a Catholic when I have to follow these Scriptures:

For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:

How do you know this is not referring to people within the Church itself?

And no wonder, even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

This does not tell you how to know what is Satanic and what is not

heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell!

This is from Paul and there is a lot of doctrines of the church which are contrary to what he preached.

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect

I think you will realise that there were many so called “prophets” in the early church, and they were from within. I think Christianity has been hit with many attacks from “ravening wolves” and I don’t think Baha’u’llah comes remotely close to these disasters.

One should consider that it should be an instinct of a pure and loving heart NOT to judge the source of other people’s visions, especially those visions that bring a person to love and live in righteousness and piety.

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[Techno2000]

How do you know this is not referring to people within the Church itself?

This does not tell you how to know what is Satanic and what is not

This is from Paul and there is a lot of doctrines of the church which are contrary to what he preached.

I think you will realise that there were many so called “prophets” in the early church, and they were from within. I think Christianity has been hit with many attacks from “ravening wolves” and I don’t think Baha’u’llah comes remotely close to these disasters.

One should consider that it should be an instinct of a pure and loving heart NOT to judge the source of other people’s visions, especially those visions that bring a person to love and live in righteousness and piety.

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So you are going to hang your hat on the visions of ChrististheWay ?

 

[pablope]

Ok so Mary can intecede in the forgiveness of my sins, along with Jesus.

I’m happy to simply accept that, but how do you know that this is the Truth and not some vain imagination given by Satan to distract you from Jesus?

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Mary can intercede…in the sense that she can pray for you to realize your offense to God and repent, but she does not forgive sins…that is left to God alone.

Forgiveness of sins also depends on one’s willingness to repent and ask forgiveness.

 

[pablope]

How do you know this is not referring to people within the Church itself?

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And no wonder, even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
This does not tell you how to know what is Satanic and what is not

 

[pablope]

How

I think you will realise that there were many so called “prophets” in the early church, and they were from within. I think Christianity has been hit with many attacks from “ravening wolves” and I don’t think Baha’u’llah comes remotely close to these disasters.

One should consider that it should be an instinct of a pure and loving heart NOT to judge the source of other people’s visions, especially those visions that bring a person to love and live in righteousness and piety.

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One more thought…the Devil/Satan definitely know where the Truth is, where God is…and know who to attack in order to bring down God’s people…Christianity.

That is why you see attacks are against Christianity…the CC in particular…because Jesus prayed for Peter’s faith not to fail and to guide his brothers…if the Church built upon Peter fails…then the devil has won…hence you see attacks of the wolves.

 

[Techno2000]

How does Bahaullah come close to meeting the example of St. Paul above?

 

[Servant19]

So you are going to hang your hat on the visions of ChrististheWay ?

No lol

There are thousands of instances such as his. I personally know of several of my close friends in my community who have had such experiences and visions.

I certainly do not hang my hat on any of them. The miracle is what the teachings of Baha’u’llah are doing in the world today, both locally and globally.

I certainly don’t go around saying Christian dreams and visions are satanic/demonic.

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[Servant19]

pablope;12538478:

Baha’u’llah is not just a prophet he is a manifestation of God Almighty, because he revealed this to his son.

I think you will find that he revealed His station to the whole world. But just as Jesus’ station was invisible to those who were dead, blind or sleeping, Baha’u’llah similarly demands an earnest, seeking, pure heart to recognize that He and Jesus are one.



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[Servant19]

Mary can intercede…in the sense that she can pray for you to realize your offense to God and repent, but she does not forgive sins…that is left to God alone.

Forgiveness of sins also depends on one’s willingness to repent and ask forgiveness.

A willingness to repent, a willingness to search, a willingness to be fair in our judgment are all critical for our correct relationship with God

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[Techno2000]

Techno2000;12538700:

I think you will find that he revealed His station to the whole world. But just as Jesus’ station was invisible to those who were dead, blind or sleeping, Baha’u’llah similarly demands an earnest, seeking, pure heart to recognize that He and Jesus are one.



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Servant19, it would take the Vatican 5 seconds to determine that He and Jesus are not one, but that Baha’u’llah was not even close to being a Saint.

 

[pablope]

I think you will find that he revealed His station to the whole world. But just as Jesus’ station was invisible to those who were dead, blind or sleeping, Baha’u’llah similarly demands an earnest, seeking, pure heart to recognize that He and Jesus are one.



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The wolves that you claim infested Christianity from the outset also claimed the same thing…basically as your…Baha’u’llah…so how does one distinguish which of the wolves speaks the truth?