Supporting McDonalds sinful?

[Hobble]

Can you explain how it is? I doubt it because we are talking about what people do not the people themselves.

One does not need to be religious to see the futility and destructiveness of homosexual activity; one need only be a biologist or medical professional.

I already have explained.

And you know that the reason you posted is not the true reason that people are opposed.

By that logic, we should also boycott everyone who uses tobacco, alcohol, oil, hair spray, because they are all hazardous to health.

But we don’t, because we live in an area where people have the FREEDOM OF CHOICE.

 

[rpp]

Boycotting a business because they support a gay lifestyle, which goes against Christian morals, is bigotry.

How isn’t it?

Bigot a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

You posted the definition, so it shouldn’t be too hard to connect the dots.

In this case, Christian groups are being utterly intolerant of a gay lifestyle, to the point where they will boycott businesses because they expect them to conform to a Christian mindset.

It’s clear cut bigotry.

It seems some people have trouble relating the definition of a bigot to their own actions. But this case is truly a textbook definition.

You are truly lost to make such statements. The logical inconsistencies here are so numerous and to make it difficult to count.

Catholic do not hate homosexuals. In fact, the Catholic Church teaches that discriminating against homosexuals is a moral evil. HOWEVER, it is the self-destructive homosexual activities that are morally evil. Also, the attempt to redefine marriage to be something other than what EVERY culture throughout the ENTIRE HISTORY of mankind is a moral evil.

But then, it is clear in your hatred of religion that it is, in fact, you yourself who are intolerant. We must do things your way, we must agree with or we are somehow bigots.

Sorry, you are wrong. Someone who simply continues to believe something that every generation of mankind in every culture believes, something that is supported that is necessary to the propagation of the species cannot possibly be a bigot.

On the other hand, a person who hates Christians and Catholic because they are Christians and Catholics, now that person **would **be a religious bigot.

 

[rpp]

I already have explained.

And you know that the reason you posted is not the true reason that people are opposed.

By that logic, we should also boycott everyone who uses tobacco, alcohol, oil, hair spray, because they are all hazardous to health.

But we don’t, because we live in an area where people have the FREEDOM OF CHOICE.

You are making statements that would lead a person to hate the Catholic Chuch. I thought hate speech was illegal in Canada.

Don’t bother to respond, I do not have conversations with bigots. And neither do most people on these forums.

 

[Hobble]

You are truly lost to make such statements. The logical inconsistencies here are so numerous and to make it difficult to count.

Catholic do not hate homosexuals. In fact, the Catholic Church teaches that discriminating against homosexuals is a moral evil. HOWEVER, it is the self-destructive homosexual activities that are morally evil. Also, the attempt to redefine marriage to be something other than what EVERY culture throughout the ENTIRE HISTORY of mankind is a moral evil.

But then, it is clear in your hatred of religion that it is, in fact, you yourself who are intolerant. We must do things your way, we must agree with or we are somehow bigots.

Sorry, you are wrong. Someone who simply continues to believe something that every generation of mankind in every culture believes, something that is supported that is necessary to the propagation of the species cannot possibly be a bigot.

On the other hand, a person who hates Christians and Catholic because they are Christians and Catholics, now that person **would **be a religious bigot.

I’m sorry, but it appears you are the one who is misunderstanding me.

I never stated that people were bigots for being against homosexuality. That’s a personal choice, and it’s one’s freedom to be against it if they want to.

The bigotry comes in this case though. In the case where a group of people, are boycotting a business for supporting ideals that the group is against.

It is not bigotry to be against homosexuality, but it is once you begin to pressure others to adhere to your personal beliefs.

 

[notsmart]

I’m sorry, but it appears you are the one who is misunderstanding me.

I never stated that people were bigots for being against homosexuality. That’s a personal choice, and it’s one’s freedom to be against it if they want to.

The bigotry comes in this case though. In the case where a group of people, are boycotting a business for supporting ideals that the group is against.

It is not bigotry to be against homosexuality, but it is once you begin to pressure others to adhere to your personal beliefs.

Hi Hobble,

How is a boycott pressuring anyone to adhere to any personal beliefs?

Be kind, I am just really wondering the angle you have here.

 

[Hobble]

You are making statements that would lead a person to hate the Catholic Chuch. I thought hate speech was illegal in Canada.

Don’t bother to respond, I do not have conversations with bigots. And neither do most people on these forums.

I haven’t stated anything against the Catholic church. Please explain how I have.

All I am saying, is that it’s wrong to pressure others into following your beliefs, to the point where you boycott a business that supports something going against your beliefs.

 

[notsmart]

I haven’t stated anything against the Catholic church. Please explain how I have.

All I am saying, is that it’s wrong to pressure others into following your beliefs, to the point where you boycott a business that supports something going against your beliefs.

Hello Hobble, can you answer my post above this one?

I just need to know how you feel a boycott is pressure to following anything.?

 

[Hobble]

Hi Hobble,

How is a boycott pressuring anyone to adhere to any personal beliefs?

Be kind, I am just really wondering the angle you have here.

When groups are boycotting McDonald’s for the reason that McDonald’s is supporting a gay agenda. They are applying pressure by taking away business through a boycott, for McDonald’s to stop supporting a gay agenda because it does not follow the groups ideals.

 

[notsmart]

When groups are boycotting McDonald’s for the reason that McDonald’s is supporting a gay agenda. They are applying pressure by taking away business through a boycott, for McDonald’s to stop supporting a gay agenda because it does not follow the groups ideals.

Why is McDonalds a spokesperson for an agenda to begin with?

(again, I am trying to sort this out in my own mind)

 

[Hobble]

Why is McDonalds a spokesperson for an agenda to begin with?

(again, I am trying to sort this out in my own mind)

I don’t know, it’s their business, it’s their choice, it’s their right to support it if they believe it’s right.

Just like it’s your right to be against homosexuality if you believe that is the right choice.

 

[notsmart]

I don’t know, it’s their business, it’s their choice, it’s their right to support it if they believe it’s right.

Just like it’s your right to be against homosexuality if you believe that is the right choice.

but, they sell food. why would they suddenly go activist like this?

 

[Hobble]

but, they sell food. why would they suddenly go activist like this?

McDonald’s has supported groups for decades, it’s nothing new. They’ve supported churches, youth programs, minority groups, human rights movements etc for a very long time, it’s not a sudden decision, it’s just another thing they’re supporting.

Yes, McDonald’s sells food. But they’re a massive franchise, McDonald’s owns plenty of other businesses other than their fast food chain.

 

[notsmart]

McDonald’s has supported groups for decades, it’s nothing new. They’ve supported churches, youth programs, minority groups, human rights movements etc for a very long time, it’s not a sudden decision, it’s just another thing they’re supporting.

Yes, McDonald’s sells food. But they’re a massive franchise, McDonald’s owns plenty of other businesses other than their fast food chain.

Thank you Hobble, I had no idea they were so vocal all these years!

I am glad to know you.

My name is Monica, I hope to see you around here.

 

[MYLORDANDMYGOD1]

Being anti gay is not bigotted. It is cognizant recognition that a specific act is wrong based on objective rationale. activist groups throw the word bigot around because they know it will get an emotional reaction from people.

Thank you for this beautiful answer! Yes- as I said in my post- we are to love these people. Supporting them in a lifestyle that could doom their eternal lives is not loving them! I do not hate these people! In fact, I have found the ones I know quite pleasant! But- I choose to not support a company that blesses and acknowledges the sinful lifestyle that some of them choose to live.

Lev 18: 22   Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

Rom 1 : 27   In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

1   Cor 6: 9  Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

And- for the poster who wants to support workers and families, etc! I am all for that! But- there are workers and families and electric bills at the other food places as well! Food for thought- pardon the pun!

 

[notsmart]

This is crazy. Its a sad day when people go this far.
I am starting to wonder how much of this is purely driven from christian values and how much of it is driven by something else.

 

[Hobble]

Thank you for this beautiful answer! Yes- as I said in my post- we are to love these people. Supporting them in a lifestyle that could doom their eternal lives is not loving them! I do not hate these people! In fact, I have found the ones I know quite pleasant! But- I choose to not support a company that blesses and acknowledges the sinful lifestyle that some of them choose to live.

Lev 18: 22   Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

Rom 1 : 27   In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

1   Cor 6: 9  Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

Please explain how refusing to support someone just because they disagree with your religious ideals is not bigotry

I mean you can sugar coat your actions as much as you want, but that doesn’t change reality.

 

[Red_Meg]

Hobble–

I’m really trying to follow your logic here, but something is escaping me. If I understand your application of the term “bigotry” correctly, than when Rev. Martin Luther King organized a boycott of the Montgomery bus system because of the segregated (dare I say, bigoted?) seating system, MLK was, himself, engaging in bigotry?

Truly, I’m not trying to be facetious here, but that seems to be the logical conclusion of your definition of bigotry-- any time people collectively organize to change an organization’s policy, it’s bigotry.

Is this accurate?

Margaret

 

[MYLORDANDMYGOD1]

Please explain how refusing to support someone just because they disagree with your religious ideals is not bigotry

I mean you can sugar coat your actions as much as you want, but that doesn’t change reality.

Because bigotry is hate!

Our reasons are love!

HUGE difference!

 

[Hobble]

Hobble–

I’m really trying to follow your logic here, but something is escaping me. If I understand your application of the term “bigotry” correctly, than when Rev. Martin Luther King organized a boycott of the Montgomery bus system because of the segregated (dare I say, bigoted?) seating system, MLK was, himself, engaging in bigotry?

Truly, I’m not trying to be facetious here, but that seems to be the logical conclusion of your definition of bigotry-- any time people collectively organize to change an organization’s policy, it’s bigotry.

Is this accurate?

Margaret

Good point.

A bigot, is a person who shows intolerance to opinions, ideals, religions, and lifestyles that differ from their own.

So when people from a church are boycotting a business because the business is supporting a lifestyle that goes against that churches beliefs, it shows a strong intolerance for that lifestyle.

They are expecting McDonald’s to base their policies on Christian beliefs.

I see what you mean with your Martin Luther King analogy, and it is an interesting loophole. But I think it’s a different situation in his case when people were being oppressed and denied rights.

This is a perspective I didn’t think about though, and it does complicate things.

 

[Hobble]

Because bigotry is hate!

Our reasons are love!

HUGE difference!

Love or hate, either way you are trying to change what people believe to suit your own beliefs, and that is bigotry.

Again, just because you sugar coat things, it doesn’t change what it really is.