Supreme Court Allows Lethal Injection for Execution

[Yerusalyim]

My only two problems with DP as it’s carried out in the US are that it’s biased against the poor (not racist thoguh) and that it takes too long to process in most states.

 

[Hastrman]

Unfortunately you are the one who is misinformed if you are still laboring under the delusion that America is without the means to keep violent offenders segregated. The death penalty in the States isn’t justice; it’s vengeance.

Oh, suddenly you know the motives of the entire pro-death penalty faction of this country? Why aren’t you out solving and preventing crimes with this superpower of yours?

And I’d dearly love to see your plans for keeping the AB or any of the other gangs from killing people in prison. Do you even know who they are?

Also, of course, for having the dangerous offenders segregated in such a manner that they don’t go insane or have their limbs atrophy. I’ll check, but I think that falls under “cruel and unusual punishment.”

And where, pray, are we getting the money for this magical overhaul of the justice system that–your infallibility on all matters factual assures us–can be assumed not to be capable of failure?

But maybe you’re an expert on corrections in an uncommonly good disguise.

 

[DaveBj]

Unfortunately you are the one who is misinformed if you are still laboring under the delusion that America is without the means to keep violent offenders segregated. The death penalty in the States isn’t justice; it’s vengeance.

I’ve seen the vid footage from one of the most secure prisons in the U.S., and it is obvious that it is just as easy for someone to kill there as it is on the outside. And the death penalty in the U.S. is neither about justice nor about vengeance. It is about removing a cancer from human society. Read Deut. 17:7, 19:9, 21:9, 21, and 24, and 24:7.

DaveBj

 

[Ender]

And the death penalty in the U.S. is neither about justice nor about vengeance. It is about removing a cancer from human society. Read Deut. 17:7, 19:9, 21:9, 21, and 24, and 24:7.

All punishment is about justice. “The primary scope of the penalty is to redress the disorder caused by the offense.” (CCC 2266) The state has not just the right but also the duty to apply a punishment *“commensurate with the gravity of the crime.” *Given the horrendous nature of some crimes, the only just punishment, the only one commensurate with the gravity of the crime, is the execution of the criminal.

Regarding vengeance, we are conditioned to think of this as an evil thing, which in fact it is when it is performed by an individual. Properly understood, however, it is not. It is like sex: relations within a marriage are a good thing, outside of marriage they are gravely sinful. Vengeance executed by the state is a good thing as it has the authority to exact it while it is an evil for an individual to take it as he has no authority to punish.

Here is how Aquinas explains it: (ST II/II 108-1)

• • Vengeance consists in the infliction of a penal evil on one who has sinned.
• - He who takes vengeance on the wicked in keeping with his rank and position does not usurp what belongs to God but makes use of the power granted him by God. For it is written (Romans 13:4) of the earthly prince that “he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.”

Ender