Supreme Court Appears Ready to Throw Out Obamacare Law

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This is actually very tricky stuff and we need to be careful what we wish for. I’d like to see the whole thing go down in flames, but there’s an even worse outcome. If the SCOTUS strikes down ONLY the purchase requirement mandate (different than the HHS mandate) and leaves the rest intact, we will be stuck with an untenable law in which insurance companies MUST cover all applicants, including those with pre-existing conditions. This will subsequently result in HEALTHY people dropping their insurance coverage until they get sick and need help.

Soon the only people left buying insurance are the very sick and those too honest to game the system while they are healthy. In other words, we’re going to get screwed again! The system will collapse and the government will be forced to impose Canada style care for lack of viable options. And you can bet that when that happens, abortion and sterilization will be back in.

If this is going to be struck down, it needs to be struck down ALL the way and we must start from scratch.
 
manualman said:
This is actually very tricky stuff and we need to be careful what we wish for. I’d like to see the whole thing go down in flames, but there’s an even worse outcome. If the SCOTUS strikes down ONLY the purchase requirement mandate (different than the HHS mandate) and leaves the rest intact, we will be stuck with an untenable law in which insurance companies MUST cover all applicants, including those with pre-existing conditions. This will subsequently result in HEALTHY people dropping their insurance coverage until they get sick and need help.

Soon the only people left buying insurance are the very sick and those too honest to game the system while they are healthy. In other words, we’re going to get screwed again! The system will collapse and the government will be forced to impose Canada style care for lack of viable options. And you can bet that when that happens, abortion and sterilization will be back in.

If this is going to be struck down, it needs to be struck down ALL the way and we must start from scratch.
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Severability will be argued tomorrow. However, my feeling is if the individual mandate which forms the foundation for the ACA (Obamacare) falls (forcing people to enter into insurance contracts against their will or ability to afford), the remaining falls. And we are left with 25 million uninsured, just as we have today, who take their chances that they won’t get seriously ill. If struck down, we are no worse off than we are today.

Scalia, today, picked up on the 10th Amend. This is a states’ rights issue and not for the federal government to regulate.
 
This is the same SCOTUS that said “corporations are people” in the Citizens United decision, it’s a real mystery how they will go on this one.

This could all have been avoided if we had just gone for the single-payer, “Medicare for everyone” option. But our society is only allowing for the most free-market, conservative solutions, which the Affordable Care Act is.
 
Some would argue that mandating preexisting conditions was designed to end the private insurance market. I doubt there was that kind of diabolical thought, but it would work out that way.

If that coverage were mandated, a consumer would be a fool to carry insurance. The consumer would wait until there was a need, would then contract insurance, and would make a claim. Paying for insurance ahead of need would be a waste of money. Of course, that would put insurance companies into liquidation very quickly.

Its analogue would be waiting until your house burned down and then getting homeowner’s insurance, making a claim for its value, and then getting paid.

That would effectively make the government the sole provider of health care. Once the other payment options go, there would be no one else left. Good or bad, that’s in the eye of the beholder.
 
Georgia said:
Some would argue that mandating preexisting conditions was designed to end the private insurance market. I doubt there was that kind of diabolical thought, but it would work out that way.

If that coverage were mandated, a consumer would be a fool to carry insurance. The consumer would wait until there was a need, would then contract insurance, and would make a claim. Paying for insurance ahead of need would be a waste of money. Of course, that would put insurance companies into liquidation very quickly.

That would effectively make the government the sole provider of health care. Once the other payment options go, there would be no one else left. Good or bad, that’s in the eye of the beholder.
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The pre-existing condition mandate is balanced by the individual mandate. The consumer cannot just wait until they are sick because it’s mandated that everyone must have some form of insurance. So the insurance companies would not be destroyed by the pre-existing condition mandate. This was the conservative, free-market solution to the health care crisis in the USA, and was once strongly endorsed by the Heritage Institute, the conservative think tank that has led conservative policies in the USA since the Reagan days. It is also the basis of the successful Massachusetts health care reform law, I believe, that the overwhelming majority of state citizens are satisfied with.
 
All we can do is pray. If our elected leaders won’t hear our prayers that the HHS Mandate is done away with, we’ll have to pary that the SCOTUS hear our prayers.
 
garn9173 said:
All we can do is pray. If our elected leaders won’t hear our prayers that the HHS Mandate is done away with, we’ll have to party that the SCOTUS hear our prayers.
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Did you write “party” when you meant to write “pray”?
 
The Obama Health Care plan is a social program to help the needy and the people who do not have any health care at all. We should look at it from this perspective and develop health programs for the forgotten people of the nation.
 
jcaguon said:
The Obama Health Care plan is a social program to help the needy and the people who do not have any health care at all. We should look at it from this perspective and develop health programs for the forgotten people of the nation.
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I think most Americans would agree (especially coverage for pre-existing conditions), problem is that the Federal Government is taking over something like 1/6 of the US economy and will create 16,000 IRS agents to enforce Obama Care and then there’s the little thing of the HHS mandate which would force Catholics to violate our religious beliefs to pay for medical procedures and medicine that we consider to be evil.
 
jcaguon said:
The Obama Health Care plan is a social program to help the needy and the people who do not have any health care at all. We should look at it from this perspective and develop health programs for the forgotten people of the nation.
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I don’t think there is anyone who disagrees with the premise that we need to do a better job at delivering health care to all - whether it be the needy, the middle class who do not have employer plans, small business owners - EVERYONE. The Obama Health Care plan was a slapped together plan that did not take all of the stakeholders into account, somehow ignored the states’ role and overreached on constituational grounds. It’s a bad plan. There were many other proposals on the table but this one gave the most control to the federal government and that was probably its fatal flaw.
 
Jerry_Miah said:
This is the same SCOTUS that said “corporations are people” in the Citizens United decision, it’s a real mystery how they will go on this one.

This could all have been avoided if we had just gone for the single-payer, “Medicare for everyone” option. But our society is only allowing for the most free-market, conservative solutions, which the Affordable Care Act is.
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For better or worse, we can thank Joe Liebermann for almost single-handedly scrapping the public option (like they do with flood insurance) when they had the votes.
 
jcaguon said:
The Obama Health Care plan is a social program to help the needy and the people who do not have any health care at all. We should look at it from this perspective and develop health programs for the forgotten people of the nation.
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That is NOT the job of government.
 
I prefer medical care for all! Europe seems to do ok and a friend in Canada says it works quite well there.

Funny that the idea of fixing the system is never mentioned as if the system was not broken. The contraception issue has been worked out I thought in a compromise. The president at least tried but folks hate him so much anything he would have done is not good enough.

I’d be curious to know how many Catholics use birth control? Anyway, maybe this site is not the place for political banter because we are so opposed to each view vis-a-vis rith and left wing

Glen
 
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