Surah 10:94

[Augustine3]

So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters. - Surah 10:94

I find it strange God commands Muhammad to consult the Jews and Christian regarding the revelations yet at the same time Muslims believe the scriptures have been fabricated. I’ve heard the argument that God meant Muhammad should confirms things that have been revealed in general not specifics. I don’t see anything in the context that suggests this sort of caution. As a matter of fact Muhammad should be able to confirm ALL the revelations received up to this point of his life. The revelation of Surah 19 was given chronologically before Surah 10; this is what we read:

*And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said, “Oh, I wish I had died before this and was in oblivion, forgotten.” – Surah 19:23

[Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet. – Surah 19:30*

Now if Muhammad had asked the Christians to confirm this revelation regarding the birth of Christ they would immediately say “no way Hosay!”. How do Muslims explain this?

 

[mab23]

Great question, I am wondering the same thing now that you brought it up!

 

[mhmtas]

*I find it strange God commands Muhammad to consult the Jews and Christian regarding the revelations yet at the same time Muslims believe the scriptures have been fabricated. I’ve heard the argument that God meant Muhammad should confirms things that have been revealed in general not specifics. I don’t see anything in the context that suggests this sort of caution.:
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Before surah 94 you must start to read surah 75. Here is:

1. Then after him We sent (many) messengers to their peoples: they brought them Clear Signs, but they would not believe what they had already rejected beforehand. Thus do We seal the hearts of the transgressors.
2. Then after them sent We Moses and Aaron to Pharaoh and his chiefs with Our Signs. But they were arrogant: they were a wicked people.
3. When the Truth did come to them from Us, they said: “This is indeed evident sorcery!”
4. Said Moses: “Say ye (this) about the Truth when it hath (actually) reached you? Is sorcery (like) this? But sorcerers will not prosper.”
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5. We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: “I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islám).”
6. (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while be f46 fore, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)!
7. “This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!”
8. We settled the Children of Israel in an honorable dwelling-place, and provided for them sustenance of the best: it was after knowledge had been granted to them, that they fell into schisms. Verily Allah will judge between them as to the schisms amongst them, on the Day of Judgment.
9. If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.
10. Nor be of those who reject the Signs of Allah, or thou shalt be of those who perish.

Surahs mean Jews(Who read Scripture so they know fact about Moses) know these intelligences.*

 

[mhmtas]

*As a matter of fact Muhammad should be able to confirm ALL the revelations received up to this point of his life. The revelation of Surah 19 was given chronologically before Surah 10; this is what we read:

*And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said, “Oh, I wish I had died before this and was in oblivion, forgotten.” – Surah 19:23

[Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet. – Surah 19:30**

Now if Muhammad had asked the Christians to confirm this revelation regarding the birth of Christ they would immediately say “no way Hosay!”. How do Muslims explain this?

We have not absolutely valid proofs from real Bibles because some parts of Bible were corrupted by time. Qoran confirm some errors especially about God. There is a fact that Jesus was son of Meryem(Mary) and prophet. Christian can not prove beyond this fact that Jesus is son of God with a same divinity. Because God declare his presence with prophets and scriptures. Furthermore thinking and claiming other thing is fantastic and imaginary because (exap:trinity) these conflict with fact and God’s customs.

 

[MartinJordan]

We have not absolutely valid proofs from real Bibles because some parts of Bible were corrupted by time. Qoran confirm some errors especially about God. There is a fact that Jesus was son of Meryem(Mary) and prophet. Christian can not prove beyond this fact that Jesus is son of God with a same divinity. Because God declare his presence with prophets and scriptures. Furthermore thinking and claiming other thing is fantastic and imaginary because (exap:trinity) these conflict with fact and God’s customs.

This Bible corruption has to be proven. Please provide proof; Step by step on how exactly the Bible was corrupted, including dates, and sources. Thanks.

MJ

 

[brian614]

 

[MartinJordan]

:d

mj

 

[mhmtas]

This Bible corruption has to be proven. Please provide proof; Step by step on how exactly the Bible was corrupted, including dates, and sources. Thanks.

MJ

We have no accurate knowledges about real Bibles. Because Bibles were written after ( As I know 40-80 years after Jesus depart. But I do not mean all Bible were corrupted but some parts. Maybe these parts written by pastors. Because there were more than 4 Bibles. So which of them was the real Bible? But Qoran remain accurate with all letters from prophet Muhammed.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Christian can not prove beyond this fact that Jesus is son of God with a same divinity.

Muslim cannot prove Mohammad was anything more than a military leader and killer. A prophet that kills, I don’t believe it. Tell me all about this killing so called prophet.

 

[GaryTaylor]

We have no accurate knowledges about real Bibles.

No accurate historic evidence about the Quran either, especially when muslims pick and choose what’s relevant. Quick google shows this.

 

[mhmtas]

Muslim cannot prove Mohammad was anything more than a military leader and killer. A prophet that kills.

Muslims can not become abusive any prophet because their faith forbid and disallow some thing like that. But Muslims love Jesus, Son of Meryem, prophet of God more than Christians. Because Muslims do not accuse Jesus in any way taht Jesus claims that he is God.
And fighting with contraries of İslam was permission of God to save and emit faith.

 

[brian614]

Muslims can not become abusive any prophet because their faith forbid and disallow some thing like that. But Muslims love Jesus, Son of Meryem, prophet of God more than Christians. Because Muslims do not accuse Jesus in any way taht Jesus claims that he is God.
And fighting with contraries of İslam was permission of God to save and emit faith.

Jesus said “I AM” which means he claimed to be God…

So that means either he was God or a Liar or a Lunatic, it has to be one of those 3 it by reason cannot be that he was a prophet.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Muslims can not become abusive any prophet because their faith forbid and disallow some thing like that. .

We are not talking anyone, we are talking Mohammad and implemented killing in the Quran and by Sharia Law.

And fighting with contraries of İslam was permission of God to save and emit faith.

No it “is” permission, not was. Still a fact.

And apparently that’s how its “rationalized” by the Quran in Sharia Law implemented countries today. Right or wrong?

 

[shlomo3amrooh]

youtube.com/watch?v=EyDTnPYWc4U

 

[Sam_777]

*And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. *

A palm tree VS a manger !!!

1. A completely different areas.
2. There is no date in the winter so Mary can eat as mentioned in Quran !!!
3. How would that benefit the Christians in any way if we assume the they have corrupted JESUS place of birth!!!

mhmtas I’m waiting your answer…

 

[MartinJordan]

We have no accurate knowledges about real Bibles. Because Bibles were written after ( As I know 40-80 years after Jesus depart. But I do not mean all Bible were corrupted but some parts. Maybe these parts written by pastors. Because there were more than 4 Bibles. So which of them was the real Bible? But Qoran remain accurate with all letters from prophet Muhammed.

If you have no knowledge about Bibles then you need to check the historical facts on how the Bible was put together. It doesn’t work to convince others by just saying “Bibles are corrupted”

Otherwise there is really no point in saying such and such is corrupted…it works for everything. Corruption must be proven.

Btw, I think you must start a new thread about the Corruption of the Bible. I’ll refrain from this point onwards to be fair to the OP’.

MJ

 

[mhmtas]

A palm tree VS a manger !!!

1. A completely different areas.
2. There is no date in the winter so Mary can eat as mentioned in Quran !!!
3. How would that benefit the Christians in any way if we assume the they have corrupted JESUS place of birth!!!

mhmtas I’m waiting your answer…

Place where Jesus was born was infertile. And tree was dry and without leafs. But when Maryam went to there tree came into leaf and place turn green as miracle. İs there any problem?

 

[GaryTaylor]

If you have no knowledge about Bibles then you need to check the historical facts on how the Bible was put together. It doesn’t work to convince others by just saying “Bibles are corrupted”

Otherwise there is really no point in saying such and such is corrupted…it works for everything. Corruption must be proven.

Btw, I think you must start a new thread about the Corruption of the Bible. I’ll refrain from this point onwards to be fair to the OP’.

MJ

I agree back to the OP.

 

[mhmtas]

A palm tree VS a manger !!!

And here is Maryam: surahs 16-33

16.Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East.

1. She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her Our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.
2. She said: “I seek refuge from thee to (Allah) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah.”
3. He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a pure son.
4. She said: “How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?”
5. He said: “So (it will be): thy Lord saith, ‘That is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us’. It is a matter (so) decreed.”
6. So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.
7. And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree. She cried (in her anguish): “Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten!”
8. But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee;
9. "And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee.
10. “So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, ‘I have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into no talk with any human being’”
11. At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly a strange thing has thou brought!
12. “O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!”
13. But she pointed to the babe. They said: “How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?”
14. He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
15. "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;
16. "(He hath made me) kind to my mother, and not overbearing or unblest;
17. “So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)”!

 

[Sam_777]

Place where Jesus was born was infertile. And tree was dry and without leafs. But when Maryam went to there tree came into leaf and place turn green as miracle. İs there any problem?

The problem that you are trying to make it appears as a miracle!, when the verse clearly does not says so! you are (or the one explained that to you) trying to manipulate that to cover the scientific mistake in that verse since there is no fresh dates in the winter.
(Quran 19:25):
“And shake towards you the trunk of the palmtree, it will drop on you fresh ripe dates”