Sure, I'll do what Osama says!

[paarsurrey]

Hi

Sur, I am not obliged to do what Osama says. He is just a political figure who uses Islam’s name for his own agenda.He does not represent Islam/Quran/Muhammad, so I don’t have to do what he says.

Islam/Quran/Muhammad present a peaceful and moderate and balanced Islam. The terrorists have hijacked Islam and they have no backing or origination of their ideas in Islam/Quran/Muhammad.

The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of peaceful and human loving Muhammad and his religion Islam and Islam of PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking moral and peaceful.

The first forty years i.e. before Muhammad was appointed ProphetMessenger by GodAllahYHWH has been offered as a reasonable argument/challenge in Quran before Nonbelievers-of-Mecca, and they could not deny its truthfulness.
Muhammad had a marvelous record of a peace loving person for 40+13=53 years, he joined in welfare activities if there was any in Mecca, he helped the needy and in distress, he stood for the human cause, he never harmed any person. His record in these 53 years is clean by any standards.

And you know Jesus only lived from 23 to 33 years maximum as per the Catholics; who know what he would have done to his enemies if he would have lived longer, only GodAllahYHWH knows.

GodAllahYHWH appointed Muhammad SAW KhatamunNabiyyeen, his ProphetMessenger. Muhammad lived up to the age of 53 years in Mecca.

I would request my friends here:

1. Please mention name of just one person whom Muhammad converted to the fold of Islam by sword up to the age of 53 years. Please present evidence from Quran.
2. Please mention name of one person whom Muhammad killed up to the age of 53 years for not accepting Islam. Please present evidence from Quran.
3. Please mention name of one person who wanted to go back from Islam to his previous faith or another faith and Muhammad denied him his right and whom Muhammad killed for apostasy up to the age of 53 years. Please present evidence from Quran.
4. Since most readers here are Catholic, kindly mention name of just one Catholic whom Muhammad converted to Islam by sword, or who became a Muslim and then wanted to go back to Catholicism and he was held back, or killed for apostasy by Muhammad. Please present evidence from Quran.

There is not a single case in all these categories.

There are no verses in Quran that support general killing of people for conversion. Muhammad was truly a peaceful person so should be the Muslims if they follow him.

Thanks

 

[dolphinlove]

Hi

And you know Jesus only lived from 23 to 33 years maximum as per the Catholics; who know what he would have done to his enemies if he would have lived longer, only GodAllahYHWH knows.

What would Jesus had done to his enemies?
Considering he was arrested, whipped and crucified, then rose from the dead, did he do anything to the people that did all this too him?
No, because Jesus only spreads love and the actual word of God. Jesus could have lived to 1000 and he still would not have hurt his enemies.
He also said, love your enemies.

 

[dolphinlove]

Hi

I would request my friends here:

1. Please mention name of just one person whom Muhammad converted to the fold of Islam by sword up to the age of 53 years. Please present evidence from Quran.
2. Please mention name of one person whom Muhammad killed up to the age of 53 years for not accepting Islam. Please present evidence from Quran.
3. Please mention name of one person who wanted to go back from Islam to his previous faith or another faith and Muhammad denied him his right and whom Muhammad killed for apostasy up to the age of 53 years. Please present evidence from Quran.
4. Since most readers here are Catholic, kindly mention name of just one Catholic whom Muhammad converted to Islam by sword, or who became a Muslim and then wanted to go back to Catholicism and he was held back, or killed for apostasy by Muhammad. Please present evidence from Quran.

1. He apparently sat in the cave while he wrote the quran, so didnt have a chance to kill anyone. And why do you persist in only going up to the age of 53 years?

2)Again only 53 years, why not after 53?

1. And again…only the 53 years…

Paars, how about answers outside the realm of the quran hey?

 

[Montalban]

Yes but in islam there is justification in the koran, hadith, Sira and actions of muhammed for these extremists. The koran verses that al qaeda quotes are not made up, they exist and have been used througout the ages to justify violence.

Here’s where I recommend (again) A Bostom’s great work for reference Legacy of Jihad. He shows that Islam’s great schools all support Jihad through violence

 

[paarsurrey]

1. He apparently sat in the cave while he wrote the quran, so didnt have a chance to kill anyone. And why do you persist in only going up to the age of 53 years?

2)Again only 53 years, why not after 53?

1. And again…only the 53 years…

Paars, how about answers outside the realm of the quran hey?

Hi

The true teachings must be logically in the revealed book of a ProphetMessenger, not outside it . So that is why the references of Muhammad’s teachings and his acts must be from Quran, the prestine word of GodAllahYHWH, the most secure and protected.

Thanks

 

[Montalban]

There’s an extensive list of Muhammed’s ‘enemies’ and what he did to them here including
Kab bin al-Ashraf Sallam Ibn Abu'l-Huqayq (Abu Rafi) Al-Nadr bin al-Harith Uqba bin Abi Muayt Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul al-Aufi Umaiya bin Khalaf Abi Safwan Amr b. Jihash
An anonymous man
Ibn Sunayna
Abd Allah Ibn Sad Ibn Abi Sarh Abu Afak
`Asma’ Bint Marwan

The Deaths of Asma and Abu Afak: Examining the Historical Basis for these Murders

The Meccan Ten:
Ikrimah Ibn Abi Jahl
Habbar Ibn al-Aswad
Miqyas Ibn Sababah al-Laythi
Abd Allah Ibn Sad Ibn Abi Sarh (more detail in the above article) Al-Huwayrith Ibn Nuqaydh Abd Abbah Ibn Hilal Ibn Khatal al-Adrami Hind Bint Utbah Sarah the mawlat of Amr Ibn Hashim
Fartana
Qaribah

Al-Yusayr b. Rizam and Khalid b. Sufyan b. Nubayh
Ibn Sunayna

And of course the Banu Qurayza whom Abu Ismail wants to continaully ignore

 

[dolphinlove]

I hope these are listed in the quran Montalban

 

[paarsurrey]

There’s an extensive list of Muhammed’s ‘enemies’ and what he did to them here including
Kab bin al-Ashraf Sallam Ibn Abu'l-Huqayq (Abu Rafi) Al-Nadr bin al-Harith Uqba bin Abi Muayt Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul al-Aufi Umaiya bin Khalaf Abi Safwan Amr b. Jihash
An anonymous man
Ibn Sunayna
Abd Allah Ibn Sad Ibn Abi Sarh Abu Afak
`Asma’ Bint Marwan

The Deaths of Asma and Abu Afak: Examining the Historical Basis for these Murders

The Meccan Ten:
Ikrimah Ibn Abi Jahl
Habbar Ibn al-Aswad
Miqyas Ibn Sababah al-Laythi
Abd Allah Ibn Sad Ibn Abi Sarh (more detail in the above article) Al-Huwayrith Ibn Nuqaydh Abd Abbah Ibn Hilal Ibn Khatal al-Adrami Hind Bint Utbah Sarah the mawlat of Amr Ibn Hashim
Fartana
Qaribah

Al-Yusayr b. Rizam and Khalid b. Sufyan b. Nubayh
Ibn Sunayna

And of course the Banu Qurayza whom Abu Ismail wants to continaully ignore

Hi

Just mark if any person from the above list was a Catholic or Orthodox , please, and that he was killed by hands of Muhammad?
None

Thanks

 

[thedavidwilson]

1. He apparently sat in the cave while he wrote the quran, so didnt have a chance to kill anyone. And why do you persist in only going up to the age of 53 years?

2)Again only 53 years, why not after 53?

1. And again…only the 53 years…

Paars, how about answers outside the realm of the quran hey?

53 is when he arrived in Medina and had the political/military power to attack his enemies. Before then he did not have that power so he HAD to take the peaceful route so he would not be destroyed. The questions are loaded. Another example of a muslim acting in good faith.

 

[thedavidwilson]

Hi

The true teachings must be logically in the revealed book of a ProphetMessenger, not outside it . So that is why the references of Muhammad’s teachings and his acts must be from Quran, the prestine word of GodAllahYHWH, the most secure and protected.

Thanks

I thought the koran was the unadulterated word of God. How can the koran be the teachings of muhammed? I am a poor confused unbeliever.

 

[thedavidwilson]

Hi

1. Since most readers here are Catholic, kindly mention name of just one Catholic whom Muhammad converted to Islam by sword, or who became a Muslim and then wanted to go back to Catholicism and he was held back, or killed for apostasy by Muhammad. Please present evidence from Quran.

There is not a single case in all these categories.

There are no verses in Quran that support general killing of people for conversion. Muhammad was truly a peaceful person so should be the Muslims if they follow him.

Thanks

Why does Muhammed’s victims have to be Catholic? As Catholics we value all life, Catholic and non-catholic, unlike mulsims who only care for muslims (sometimes ) and no one else.

 

[Silver_Thread]

Hi

Sur, I am not obliged to do what Osama says. He is just a political figure who uses Islam’s name for his own agenda.He does not represent Islam/Quran/Muhammad, so I don’t have to do what he says.

Islam/Quran/Muhammad present a peaceful and moderate and balanced Islam. The terrorists have hijacked Islam and they have no backing or origination of their ideas in Islam/Quran/Muhammad.

The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of peaceful and human loving Muhammad and his religion Islam and Islam of PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking moral and peaceful.

The first forty years i.e. before Muhammad was appointed ProphetMessenger by GodAllahYHWH has been offered as a reasonable argument/challenge in Quran before Nonbelievers-of-Mecca, and they could not deny its truthfulness.
Muhammad had a marvelous record of a peace loving person for 40+13=53 years, he joined in welfare activities if there was any in Mecca, he helped the needy and in distress, he stood for the human cause, he never harmed any person. His record in these 53 years is clean by any standards.

And you know Jesus only lived from 23 to 33 years maximum as per the Catholics; who know what he would have done to his enemies if he would have lived longer, only GodAllahYHWH knows.

GodAllahYHWH appointed Muhammad SAW KhatamunNabiyyeen, his ProphetMessenger. Muhammad lived up to the age of 53 years in Mecca.

I would request my friends here:

1. Please mention name of just one person whom Muhammad converted to the fold of Islam by sword up to the age of 53 years. Please present evidence from Quran.
2. Please mention name of one person whom Muhammad killed up to the age of 53 years for not accepting Islam. Please present evidence from Quran.
3. Please mention name of one person who wanted to go back from Islam to his previous faith or another faith and Muhammad denied him his right and whom Muhammad killed for apostasy up to the age of 53 years. Please present evidence from Quran.
4. Since most readers here are Catholic, kindly mention name of just one Catholic whom Muhammad converted to Islam by sword, or who became a Muslim and then wanted to go back to Catholicism and he was held back, or killed for apostasy by Muhammad. Please present evidence from Quran.

There is not a single case in all these categories.

There are no verses in Quran that support general killing of people for conversion. Muhammad was truly a peaceful person so should be the Muslims if they follow him.

Thanks

Because of opposition to his teaching in Mecca became threatening, Muhammed led an exodus to Medina. It was only after fighting with sword and weapons for ten years that the Central part of Arabia, including Mecca, had accepted Islam as the new religion… DIDN’T KILL ANYONE??? YOU KIDDING ME?

 

[DB_AND_ALI]

Really… how many terrorists have you spoken to lately.

Or do you just form an opinion from what you see on Fox.

We don’t speak to terrorists…we capture them [anywhere in the world] and then we let them talk to our judges !

 

[thedavidwilson]

Because of opposition to his teaching in Mecca became threatening, Muhammed led an exodus to Medina. It was only after fighting with sword and weapons for ten years that the Central part of Arabia, including Mecca, had accepted Islam as the new religion… DIDN’T KILL ANYONE??? YOU KIDDING ME?

paarsurrey questions disregard the islamic doctrine of aborgation (replacing earlier verses by later ones when there is a contradiction in the koran, of which there are many). So the first 53 years of Mo’s life is irrelevant if muslims look to the last several years on how to live their lives.

 

[paarsurrey]

I thought the koran was the unadulterated word of God. How can the koran be the teachings of muhammed? I am a poor confused unbeliever.

Hi

I think you have never read the lovable book Quran. Have a heart and for making a little research please study it. First hand information does not and has never harmed anybody, I suggest a good translation if you like to read it, otherwise no compulsion:
www3.alislam.org/index.jsp The Holy Quran

Thanks

 

[dolphinlove]

Because of opposition to his teaching in Mecca became threatening, Muhammed led an exodus to Medina. It was only after fighting with sword and weapons for ten years that the Central part of Arabia, including Mecca, had accepted Islam as the new religion… DIDN’T KILL ANYONE??? YOU KIDDING ME?

But also, what im upset about is, the fact he didnt take a pen and paper and write down everyones names, and what religion they were before they had their heads chopped off.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey questions disregard the islamic doctrine of aborgation (replacing earlier verses by later ones when there is a contradiction in the koran, of which there are many). So the first 53 years of Mo’s life is irrelevant if muslims look to the last several years on how to live their lives.

Hi

You are mistaken my friend , there is no abrogation of the Quranic verses, it is all valid for all times.

Quran has indeed abrogated all the insecure and unprotected said to be revealed books, and instead all good teachings of those books have been included in Quran, so you don’t have to read other books now. Just study Quran if you like that would be sufficient for you, however no compulsion, you are a free bird/soul.

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

But also, what im upset about is, the fact he didnt take a pen and paper and write down everyones names, and what religion they were before they had their heads chopped off.

Hi

Muhammad was such a loving and caring person, you shouldn’t think in such terms, he was very kind to even his enemies, he upheld freedom of speech and freedom of religion. You may if you like call him a Prince of Peace for his servicea to the cause of humanity. But of course if you don’t agree with me, you could differ with me with sound and rational reasons.

Thanks

 

[dolphinlove]

Hi

Muhammad was such a loving and caring person, you shouldn’t think in such terms, he was very kind to even his enemies, he upheld freedom of speech and freedom of religion. You may if you like call him a Prince of Peace for his servicea to the cause of humanity. But of course if you don’t agree with me, you could differ with me with sound and rational reasons.

Thanks

Paars,
I think it is quite obvious i disagree with you.
But you keep stating what are the names/religion of these people that Mohammed killed, the point im making is, in war, you dont know the name of the person your killing, or their religion.
So when asking for such evidence, its pretty hard to come up with an answer to such a loaded question dont you agree?

 

[paarsurrey]

Paars,
I think it is quite obvious i disagree with you.
But you keep stating what are the names/religion of these people that Mohammed killed, the point im making is, in war, you dont know the name of the person your killing, or their religion.
So when asking for such evidence, its pretty hard to come up with an answer to such a loaded question dont you agree?

Hi

People at that point in history in Mecca and Medina lived in communities as that was a tribal societies, so I have not asked an impossible thing.

Thanks