Surge of money for Proposition 8 coming from Mormons

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How will this Proposition, if passed, stem the rising divorce rate, which is what REALLY damages traditional marriages?

Did DOMA, signed into law by Clinton, make him one whit more faithful to his wife?

Which marriage was Newt Gingrich trying to defend: his first, his second, or his third?
 
How will this Proposition, if passed, stem the rising divorce rate, which is what REALLY damages traditional marriages?

Did DOMA, signed into law by Clinton, make him one whit more faithful to his wife?

Which marriage was Newt Gingrich trying to defend: his first, his second, or his third?
It won’t change it at all, but right is right and wrong is wrong. Gay marriage is morally wrong and there is no reason that government should sanction it. That’s what the Catholic Church teaches. The divorce rate and gay marriage are two different issues.
 
It won’t change it at all, but right is right and wrong is wrong. Gay marriage is morally wrong and there is no reason that government should sanction it. That’s what the Catholic Church teaches. The divorce rate and gay marriage are two different issues.
Just like the government takes such a strong stance on pre-marital sex, divorce, pornography, (in the case of parts of Nevada) prostitution, and other morally wrong actions.

Wake up, we don’t live in a theocracy.
 
Just like the government takes such a strong stance on pre-marital sex, divorce, pornography, (in the case of parts of Nevada) prostitution, and other morally wrong actions.

Wake up, we don’t live in a theocracy.
It’s not a matter of living in a theocracy. Even non-religious people often understand that gay marriage shouldn’t be sanctioned. There was a time when government took a strong stance against all those morally reprehensible matters just like it continues to condemn robbery, murder, etc. Our society is not libertarian. Every law involves a moral judgement.
 
latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-me-gaymarriage8-2008oct08,0,1678837.story

It looks to me like the Mormons are the ones doing the most to overturn gay marriage in California. God bless them for their efforts.
My brother (convert to LDS) and his wife are canvasing their neighborhood in support of Prop. 8, as are many in his ward. You have to give credit where it is due. When it comes to getting its members out onto the streets, the LDS church is pretty solid.

However, my own (Catholic) parish is also extremely involved in both Prop. 8 and Prop. 4 (the abortion/parental notification law). And the Knights of Columbus organization has funded radio spots supporting the Prop. 8 measure as well. “Vivat Jesus!”

Personally, I think that the opposition focuses on actions by the LDS Church and Catholic Church because (in their minds) the focus on these institutions tends to portray the pro-marriage argument as nothing but “extremist” religion to the mainline protestant denominations and non-christians which make up a majority of the registered voters. These latter groups are, of course, already generally non-opposed to gay “marriage.”

Peace,
-Robert
 
Just like the government takes such a strong stance on pre-marital sex, divorce, pornography, (in the case of parts of Nevada) prostitution, and other morally wrong actions.

Wake up, we don’t live in a theocracy.
Hi cheese,

If Prop. 8 passes, gay marriage will not be banned. Only the government sanction of gay marriage will be removed. Government sanction is given to traditional marriages because it is a social institution that society judges to provide great benefits. Therefore, it is given special legal status. If we remove the government sanction of gay marriage, we are not taking away a “right.” We are saying that we don’t think gay marriage provides benefits to society to the same degree that traditional marriage does, and therefore doesn’t deserve special legal status.

But the proponents of gay marriage don’t want to discuss the issue in those terms. They just want to talk about inherent “rights,” and avoid any discussion of why the government is involved in marriage at all.
 
My brother (convert to LDS) and his wife are canvasing their neighborhood in support of Prop. 8, as are many in his ward. You have to give credit where it is due. When it comes to getting its members out onto the streets, the LDS church is pretty solid.

However, my own (Catholic) parish is also extremely involved in both Prop. 8 and Prop. 4 (the abortion/parental notification law). And the Knights of Columbus organization has funded radio spots supporting the Prop. 8 measure as well. “Vivat Jesus!”

Personally, I think that the opposition focuses on actions by the LDS Church and Catholic Church because (in their minds) the focus on these institutions tends to portray the pro-marriage argument as nothing but “extremist” religion to the mainline protestant denominations and non-christians which make up a majority of the registered voters. These latter groups are, of course, already generally non-opposed to gay “marriage.”

Peace,
-Robert
It is great to read that Catholics are involved with this. I think a lot of mainline Protestants are more likely to support traditional marriage than their liberal ministers. I’m glad it’s turning around.
 
Just like the government takes such a strong stance on pre-marital sex, divorce, pornography, (in the case of parts of Nevada) prostitution, and other morally wrong actions.
Yes, yes. It’s true we don’t live in a theocracy, but that’s not really the point with respect to marriage. Our society (indeed ALL societies) have recognized and honored the institution primarily because society recognizes that the ideal of marriage is a stable environment for the generation and raising of children; a process that cannot happen within a so-called “gay marriage.” The hard reality is that society sanctions the institution of marriage because the institution provides a level of stability to society. A “gay marriage” offers no such stability. It is, unlike traditional marriage, essentially a selfish institution that would provide the benefit of public sanction to an institution that is not equiped to provide the same benefits back to society as does the traditional marriage institution.

This is a cold political maneuver to attain social parity for gay couples by re-defining a socially beneficial institution in such a manner that it becomes entirely meaningless.

The fact that governments allow immoral behavior is irrelevant to the issue that Proposition 8 seeks to address.

Peace,
-Robert
 
latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-me-gaymarriage8-2008oct08,0,1678837.story

It looks to me like the Mormons are the ones doing the most to overturn gay marriage in California. God bless them for their efforts.
Two Bishops in California; Weigand & Neideraur both spent time in Salt Lake at the Cathedral of the Madeline. While here they both got tight with LDS leadership. They were discussing on the radio this morning how Weigand & Neideraur were calling in favors at LDS central
 
Two Bishops in California; Weigand & Neideraur both spent time in Salt Lake at the Cathedral of the Madeline. While here they both got tight with LDS leadership. They were discussing on the radio this morning how Weigand & Neideraur were calling in favors at LDS central
It’s great to see them working together. We’ve pretty much reached the point where if we don’t hang together we’ll all hang separately …
 
**Gay marriage is morally wrong and there is no reason that government should sanction it. **

**But the government sanctions civil marriage and even civil marriage after divorce–something the Catholic Church says is morally wrong, too.

What is being done about this matter?**
 
**Gay marriage is morally wrong and there is no reason that government should sanction it. **

**But the government sanctions civil marriage and even civil marriage after divorce–something the Catholic Church says is morally wrong, too.

What is being done about this matter?**
Are you pro-gay marriage? Nothing you have said here has anything to do with accepting the redefinition of marriage. Are Eastern Orthodox in favor of accepting state recognition of gay marriage?
 
Hi cheese,

If Prop. 8 passes, gay marriage will not be banned. Only the government sanction of gay marriage will be removed. Government sanction is given to traditional marriages because it is a social institution that society judges to provide great benefits. Therefore, it is given special legal status. If we remove the government sanction of gay marriage, we are not taking away a “right.” We are saying that we don’t think gay marriage provides benefits to society to the same degree that traditional marriage does, and therefore doesn’t deserve special legal status.

But the proponents of gay marriage don’t want to discuss the issue in those terms. They just want to talk about inherent “rights,” and avoid any discussion of why the government is involved in marriage at all.
Howdy BD what’s happening?

Just to clarify, prop 8 is a constitutional ammendment that states that only marriage between a man and a woman will be valid in California.

But it will not affect domenstic partnership arrangements that give all the rights of “marriage” as far as insurance benefits, shared property rights etc.

So it does not affect rights, but it does in a sense, “ban” gay marriage.

The real issue is that our religious right to advocate marriage between a man and woman only will be compromised by discrimination suits which we all know will occurr if this thing does not pass. It really is a limitation on religious freedom for those of us who do not want to be part of the gay agenda.
 
But it will not affect domestic partnership arrangements that give all the rights of “marriage” as far as insurance benefits, shared property rights etc.

So it does not affect rights, but it does in a sense, “ban” gay marriage.
Therefore, I see no problem with that. What a big fuss over nothing. If their churches are willing to bless their union, they should have nothing to complain about, since they have legal protection and church approval for their relationship. Why call it marriage?
 
Therefore, I see no problem with that. What a big fuss over nothing. If their churches are willing to bless their union, they should have nothing to complain about, since they have legal protection and church approval for their relationship. Why call it marriage?
I agree

It is clearly an effort to push the agenda farther to force those who do not agree with them into compliance with their postion.

There is a commercial from our side showing Gavin Newsome-- I think that is the spelling-- who is mayor of San Francisco saying “The door is open now – we’re coming through WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT”

It was really inflammatory and politically stupid, I think, on his part.
 
Howdy BD what’s happening?

Just to clarify, prop 8 is a constitutional ammendment that states that only marriage between a man and a woman will be valid in California.

But it will not affect domenstic partnership arrangements that give all the rights of “marriage” as far as insurance benefits, shared property rights etc.

So it does not affect rights, but it does in a sense, “ban” gay marriage.

The real issue is that our religious right to advocate marriage between a man and woman only will be compromised by discrimination suits which we all know will occurr if this thing does not pass. It really is a limitation on religious freedom for those of us who do not want to be part of the gay agenda.
I agree with you on this mfb. Essentially, the only thing Prop. 8 “bans” is the “right” to call a homosexual domestic partnership a “marriage.” It has no impact at all on homosexual substantive rights. It is simply a return to reason on the matter of what a marriage is, and what it is not.

Peace,
-Robert
 
Howdy BD what’s happening?

Just to clarify, prop 8 is a constitutional ammendment that states that only marriage between a man and a woman will be valid in California.

But it will not affect domenstic partnership arrangements that give all the rights of “marriage” as far as insurance benefits, shared property rights etc.
Hi mfb,

I’m not clear on this. Isn’t there any difference in the legal status given marriages and civil unions?
 
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