surprised by vehement anti-catholic sentiment

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Humor?

I think Jimmy Buffett sums it up pretty well in his song Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes when he sings “If we couldn’t laugh we would all go insane…”
 
Unlike Catholicism, Baptist can only trace their church’s existence to 1639 when founded by Roger Williams in the area that would become the city of Providence.
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Baptists do not have a church. We have Baptist Churches. Lineage is a quite controversial subject among Baptists; Landmark Baptists believe there is a continual line of Baptist Churches going back to the Apostles, others think we began in the 1600’s as an offshoot of the Anabaptists &c. John Smyth, founded the General Baptists in England certainly before Roger Williams.
(2) The Campbellites, Disciples of Christ, or Christians, date back as a distinct religious body to the early part of the nineteenth century. They are the outgrowth of that movement which manifested itself simultaneously in some of the religious denominations in the United States in favor of the Bible alone without creeds.
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Campbellites are NOT Baptists. I think they would agree.
(6) The Primitive Baptists, also called Old-School, Anti-Mission, and Hard-Shell, Baptists since 1835 has constituted a sect which is opposed to missions, Sunday schools, and in general to human religious institutions.
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Primitive Baptists usually believe strongly in predestination, and deny that people people need to hear the Gospel to be saved. They don’t believe in mission societies, but there are a few PB missionaries. They do not use musical instruments in church, and are King James only.
I have yet to have anyone actually make clear the difference between Baptists, Southern Baptists, and Free Will Baptists.
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A Baptist is a person who is a member of any kind of Baptist Church. Southern Baptists, Conservative Baptists, Freewill Baptists, Reformed Baptists, &c. They’re all Baptists. Campbellites are not Baptists (see above).

Southern Baptists are members of Churches that give money to the Southern Baptist Convention. The convention meets annually with messengers from the Churches, and basically spends the money. It is a common misconception that Southern Baptists are just Baptists in the south, but really there are alot of us outside the South, and alot of Baptists down here who are not SBC.

The Convention’s Statement of Faith is the Baptist Faith & Message (2000). A lot of Churches use this too, but you do not have to believe it to be a Southern Baptist.
sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp %between%

Freewill Baptists believe in Arminianism, including losing your salvation, something few other Baptists and almost no Southern Baptists hold. I think they are Landmarkers.

Sorry for the long off-topic post, but I saw you were talking about
Baptists and just couldn’t resist!
 
Church_Militant said:
Irrelevant, this has nothing at all to do with Paul and everything to do with modern post reformation step children and their unwillingness or inability to carry on a calm, rational, and charitable internet discussion about religion among a mixed crowd.

I too have seen the same thing, and am grateful for two things about the moderators here at CAF.
  1. They do not participate as moderators in the debates and discussions. (It’s intimidating) and
  2. They are even handed in their moderation and deal with individuals, regardless of religion, who disrupt these forums with behavior that violates the forum rules.
Frankly, I pretty much have lived to regret my participation in all but maybe 1 or 2 n-C forums, and aside from that I really don’t get excited about going to the rest.

Meanwhile, here at CAF, I do my dead level best to insure that I am both charitable and concise in my arguments.

Sometimes…it’s a real challenge.
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You do well. 🙂
Ethan_Enoch said:
Sorry for the long off-topic post, but I saw you were talking about Baptists and just couldn’t resist!
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Ta muchly for the explination!
 
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Church_Militant said:
Humor?

I think Jimmy Buffett sums it up pretty well in his song Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes when he sings “If we couldn’t laugh we would all go insane…”
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I like the other line in that song
“If we weren’t all crazy, we’d all go insane.”
 
Ethan_Enoch said:
Baptists do not have a church. We have Baptist Churches. Lineage is a quite controversial subject among Baptists; Landmark Baptists believe there is a continual line of Baptist Churches going back to the Apostles, others think we began in the 1600’s as an offshoot of the Anabaptists &c. John Smyth, founded the General Baptists in England certainly before Roger Williams.

Campbellites are NOT Baptists. I think they would agree.

Primitive Baptists usually believe strongly in predestination, and deny that people people need to hear the Gospel to be saved. They don’t believe in mission societies, but there are a few PB missionaries. They do not use musical instruments in church, and are King James only.

A Baptist is a person who is a member of any kind of Baptist Church. Southern Baptists, Conservative Baptists, Freewill Baptists, Reformed Baptists, &c. They’re all Baptists. Campbellites are not Baptists (see above).

Southern Baptists are members of Churches that give money to the Southern Baptist Convention. The convention meets annually with messengers from the Churches, and basically spends the money. It is a common misconception that Southern Baptists are just Baptists in the south, but really there are alot of us outside the South, and alot of Baptists down here who are not SBC.

The Convention’s Statement of Faith is the Baptist Faith & Message (2000). A lot of Churches use this too, but you do not have to believe it to be a Southern Baptist.
sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp %between%

Freewill Baptists believe in Arminianism, including losing your salvation, something few other Baptists and almost no Southern Baptists hold. I think they are Landmarkers.

Sorry for the long off-topic post, but I saw you were talking about
Baptists and just couldn’t resist!
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Don’t forget that the only reason that the Southern Baptist convention exists is because in the 19th century, they broke from a larger group because they taught that it was the white man’s God given right to own black slaves.
 
To return to the subject of the thread, and the surprise in particular:

The essence of many protestant sects is the negation of the Catholic Church, and that negation runs the gamut from rejection to outright vilification. The Church teaches that anyone baptized is a Christian (whether they are practicing or not is a separate question) but finding a protestant sect that denies that Catholics are Christians (or even baptized!) is a trivial exercise.

I once witnessed a discussion between two prominent Eastern Orthodox and Anglican theologians. They agreed on next to nothing which they discussed, and only one thing completely - that “Rome” had it wrong.

A Catholic who denies the Christianity of a baptized protestant defies the teaching of the Church. Many protestants who attack Catholics are merely affirming the basis (sometimes the only basis) for their identity. No need for surprise.

The good news is that I can number among my friends many protestants who are undoubted Christians, and who do all Christians proud by their lives and witness.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
As a nice contrast, check out the threads about “Are those who do not receive Jesus in Holy Eucharist really Christians? Is it insanity for them to continue claiming to be Christians?” and “Separated Brethren”…it seem that “anti-____________” (insert favorite tradition here) is not by any means a Protestant issue alone.🙂
 
Publisher said:
As a nice contrast, check out the threads about “Are those who do not receive Jesus in Holy Eucharist really Christians? Is it insanity for them to continue claiming to be Christians?” and “Separated Brethren”…it seem that “anti-____________” (insert favorite tradition here) is not by any means a Protestant issue alone.🙂
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Hi Publisher, :tiphat:

It is called self-defense.
A good offense is a good defense

They are christians if they were Baptized in the Name of the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit (We use to call Him the Holy Ghost until the children started to get scared! 🙂 )
It would be nice if anti-stupid was not allowed. But I, and half the other people here,😃 might be asked to leave :whacky:
 
Publisher said:
As a nice contrast, check out the threads about “Are those who do not receive Jesus in Holy Eucharist really Christians? Is it insanity for them to continue claiming to be Christians?” and “Separated Brethren”…it seem that “anti-____________” (insert favorite tradition here) is not by any means a Protestant issue alone.🙂
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There will always be those who slam others’ beliefs vehemently, maybe intentionally so. But is it the dominant view of the forum? Not for here, I think. Plenty of people here are charitable towards others with different beliefs. I am happy for that. But such was definitely not the case for the forums being described in this thread.

Then entire time I was a member of a particular anti-Catholic forum, I never saw one of those “anti” threads criticize by a non-Catholic. Never. Not even the rants.

But here, in the threads you pointed out, you find Catholics saying that calling people “heretics” is inflammatory and that the other thread’s OP’s view of Catholicism was flawed. It’s a refreshing, more Christian way of doing things. And such is the case on many Protestant forums as well.
 
Callin said:
There will always be those who slam others’ beliefs vehemently, maybe intentionally so. But is it the dominant view of the forum? Not for here, I think. Plenty of people here are charitable towards others with different beliefs. I am happy for that. But such was definitely not the case for the forums being described in this thread.

Then entire time I was a member of a particular anti-Catholic forum, I never saw one of those “anti” threads criticize by a non-Catholic. Never. Not even the rants.

But here, in the threads you pointed out, you find Catholics saying that calling people “heretics” is inflammatory and that the other thread’s OP’s view of Catholicism was flawed. It’s a refreshing, more Christian way of doing things. And such is the case on many Protestant forums as well.
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In the Catholic Religion tradition and under this Site’s TOS it isn’t against the rules to call Non-catholics “Heretics”. It is actually prohibited to call Eastern or Orthodox Catholics Heretics because it is an insult to them.

It is not correct to insult others. I actually thought Protestants were proud to be called Heretics. :hmmm: That shows you what the heck I knew! :doh2: . Heretic means does not follow the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. Its use started in the 14th Century. I actually didn’t think of it as a “Bad” thing to say. I always used it to identify Protestants… I won’t do that anymore. 👍 Like Mark Twain, “I have never let my schooling interfere with my education.”

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Her·e·tic [n. her-i-tik; adj. her-i-tik, huh-ret-ik]
  • noun
  1. A professed believer who maintains religious opinions contrary to those accepted by his or her church or rejects doctrines prescribed by that church.
  2. Roman Catholic Church. a baptized Roman Catholic who willfully and persistently rejects any article of faith.
  3. Anyone who does not conform to an established attitude, doctrine, or principle.
  • adjective
4.heretical.

[Origin: 1300–50; ME heretik < MF heretique < LL haereticus < Gk hairetikós able to choose (LGk: heretical), equiv. to hairet(ós) that may be taken (verbal adj. of hairein to choose)

—**Synonyms 1. apostate, backslider, recreant, protestant. 3. dissenter, skeptic, freethinker.

I sincerely apologize to anyone that my ignorance might have offended. It was not my intention ever! :dts: .

Inspirational Tale

The only survivor of a shipwreck was washed up on a small, uninhabited island. He prayed feverishly for God to rescue him. Every day he scanned the horizon for help, but none seemed forthcoming.
Exhausted, he eventually managed to build a little hut out of driftwood to protect himself from the elements, and to store his few possessions.
One day, after scavenging for food, he arrived home to find his little hut in flames, with smoke rolling up to the sky. He felt the worst had happened, and everything was lost. He was stunned with disbelief, grief, and anger. He cried out, ‘God! How could you do this to me?’
Early the next day, he was awakened by the sound of a ship approaching the island. It had come to rescue him! ‘How did you know I was here?’ asked the weary man of his rescuers. ‘We saw your smoke signal,’ they replied.
It’s easy to get discouraged when things are going bad, but we shouldn’t lose heart, because God is at work in our lives, even in the midst of our pain and suffering.
Remember, the next time your little hut seems to be burning to the ground, it just may be a smoke signal that summons the grace of God.👍
 
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