Surprising annulment statistics!

[AlNg]

What I said was accurate.

The numbers in the table are the numbers of annulments that were essentially sent for review to Rome. That is not the actual number of annulments that occurred across the entire US in that period.

Please, reread the thread.

I gave the total number of marriage annulments in the USA for 1929 and for recent years.

 

[Pup7]

Did you pull it from the chart at the head of the thread?

 

[AlNg]

Did you pull it from the chart at the head of the thread?

No. The annulment numbers are given from various issues of the National Catholic Almanac.
The divorce rate is from a different source.

 

[joeybaggz]

The divorce rate in the USA in in excess of 50%. Granted that is all divorces, but your 2004 figures are somewhere in the 0.02% range. Sorry, but your figures are ???

 

[Eddie18]

The chart provided in the OP shows that throughout the 1920s, the Roman Rota granted annulments in the single digits each year for appeals that were sent to them throughout the entire world. You seem to be playing down the significance of this. Can you provide a reference with statistics showing the actual number of annulments in the world (or at least the US) during those years then?

The reason I ask is, I recently read a report from the early 2000’s showing that in 1968 there were only 300+ annulments worldwide. So I’m willing to bet the number was even lower in the 1920s.

By the way, the same report from the early 2000’s showed that there were 50,000 annulments granted worldwide in 2002…the floodgates obviously opened after 1968.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

In that case, what did Vatican II have to do with it?

Opened up the process

Also, the law of the Church has said, from long before Vatican II, that those who cannot pay for a judicial process are not to be refused on that account.

Where did you get this ? Only recently Pope Francis made declared this and was given much grief over it.

Jim

 

[Pup7]

Go to page 23 of this document from the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_21/sr21_024.pdf

Your numbers are way off according to official US stats, which states this for number of annulments in the US in these years:

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The US Divorce Rates for that era (and before) are in the same document, next page. Not sure that I believe that only six of those (well, maybe 12) folks were Catholics.

 

[phil19034]

Seeing the New York and CA only numbers are mind blowing! I wonder what it’s like today?

 

[phil19034]

Go to page 23 of this document from the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_21/sr21_024.pdf

Your numbers are way off according to official US stats, which states this for number of annulments in the US in these years:

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The US Divorce Rates for that era (and before) are in the same document, next page. Not sure that I believe that only six of those (well, maybe 12) folks were Catholics.

But I don’t think the US CDC was reporting Catholic Annulments. I think that was civil annulments across all peoples.

Remember, before no-fault divorce, more people receive annulments from the govt. And technically, a couple can still get an annulment from the state today, but most don’t bother with it and simply get a divorce.

 

[Pup7]

I did say that I find it hard to believe only 12 or so of those folks are Catholic.

 

[AlNg]

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Your numbers are way off according to official US stats, which states this for number of annulments in the US in these years:


The US Divorce Rates for that era (and before) are in the same document, next page. Not sure that I believe that only six of those (well, maybe 12) folks were Catholics.

I was speaking about marriage annulments granted by the Roman Catholic Church. The statistics you give are (I think) annulments granted by the US Courts and are quite different from annulments granted by the Catholic Church. the Catholic Almanac of 1940 says that there were 9 marriage annulments given by the Catholic Church in 1929.

 

[Pup7]

So as I said, I still am struggling with only 12 of 4400 people being Catholic.

Where is the stat you quoted?

 

[commenter]

Just a comment on statistics…There really is no solid way of measuring the “divorce rate”, no matter what you read.
What they do is take a ratio of, lets say, 100,000 new marriages in a country in 1990. Then they count, say, 45,000 divorces being finalized in 1990. So what you get is a RATIO of 45%. This is mildly useful, but remember these are mostly 2 different populations. Those getting divorced in 1990 were married in 1956, 1962, and so on, very different years. They are a much older, and age-diverse, population group than the 1990 newlyweds.

Furthermore, the birth rate has varied considerably over the years, as has the number of weddings, and average age of newlyweds. So generalizations about “the divorce RATIO” don’t mean much. If the divorce ratio varies from decade to decade, that tells us little about the chances of 2018 newlyweds getting divorced, since we don’t even know what percent of 1990 newlyweds got divorced.

Regarding annulments, the numbers tend to get inflated a little. Suppose John and Mary were married to other persons before. That means 2 annulments needed for John and Mary to marry now. I can imagine a situation where even more than 2 might be needed to facilitate one wedding now.

 

[AlNg]

So as I said, I still am struggling with only 12 of 4400 people being Catholic.

Where is the stat you quoted?

Go to The national Catholic Almanac published by St. Anthony’s Guild, Paterson NJ. Compiled by or with the assistance of: the Franciscan Clerics of Holy Name Province.

Edited by Felician A. Foy. 1940 edition, 1954 edition. It was taken over by Our Sunday visitor’s Catholic Almanac which has the statistics for the recent years.

 

[Pup7]

I actually find all this interesting to be honest. I can’t find that online at the moment but will look once I have a computer and not just my phone in about an hour.

I did see in the digging where it said something about 366 in a year in the 1960s - which is amazing compared to the number now. That IS incredible.

No wonder I get “wow!” when I tell folks I’ve been married 18 years.

 

[AlNg]

The divorce rate in the USA in in excess of 50%. Granted that is all divorces, but your 2004 figures are somewhere in the 0.02% range. Sorry, but your figures are ???

You have an issue with the National Center for Health Statistics
Go to:

FastStats - Marriage and Divorce

Data are for the U.S.
Number of marriages: 2,245,404
Marriage rate: 6.9 per 1,000 total population
Number of divorces: 827,261 (44 reporting States and D.C.)
Divorce rate: 3.2 per 1,000 population (44 reporting States and D.C.)

 

[Pup7]

I’m no statistician, but isn’t that almost a 50% rate? If 6.9/1000 are marrying and 3.2/1000 are divorcing…

I had read that the US rate was in the high 40’s as a percentage.

Please don’t laugh at me; I am no math genius. I can interpret stats as standalone but struggle with cross-comparisons on the fly. At least I know this. LOL. (Here’s how off my mental math can be: the joke at my house is I will always forget to carry the one.)

 

[AlNg]

I did see in the digging where it said something about 366 in a year in the 1960s

Wait a minute. Your source says there were 11,181 annulments in 1960. Now you tell us it was 366 - So can you figure out what went wrong?
Hint: the file you quoted on annulments was from annulments granted by US Courts.
I am speaking about annulments granted by the US Catholic Church.

 

[joeybaggz]

I’m no statistician, but isn’t that almost a 50% rate? If 6.9/1000 are marrying and 3.2/1000 are divorcing…

I had read that the US rate was in the high 40’s as a percentage.

Please don’t laugh at me; I am no math genius. I can interpret stats as standalone but struggle with cross-comparisons on the fly. At least I know this. LOL.

Or Pup, divide 827,261 by 2,245,404 and I think you get a lot more than 3.2%

 

[Pup7]

Pup7:

I did see in the digging where it said something about 366 in a year in the 1960s

Wait a minute. Your source says there were 11,181 annulments in 1960. Now you tell us it was 366 - So can you figure out what went wrong?
Hint: the file you quoted on annulments was from annulments granted by US Courts.
I am speaking about annulments granted by the US Catholic Church.

And I acknowledged that…SMH. Hence the statement “I can’t believe that only 12 of those folks were Catholic.”

Now I’m saying specifically Catholic.