Survey finds 30% of German Catholics considering leaving the Church

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It might have something to do with taxes. 26% of Lutherans considering leaving as well.

Not sure it has anything to do with liberalized Catholicism, and that was not not mentioned in the article.
 
Irishmom2 said:
Not sure it has anything to do with liberalized Catholicism
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That part was my opinion. I wasn’t quoting it from the article.

The point I was making was, if they thought making Catholicism lukewarm will bring more people into Church, it doesn’t seem to be doing that. It’s doing the opposite. Of course I’m not saying this is the only reason.
 
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Irishmom2 said:
It might have something to do with taxes. 26% of Lutherans considering leaving as well.
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I would bet dollars to donuts this is the main motivator.
I am also willing to bet that if the US imposed a tax on church membership, numbers would drop for every religion here too.
 
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I would bet dollars to donuts this is the main motivator.
I am also willing to bet that if the US imposed a tax on church membership, numbers would drop for every religion here too.
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I have to agree with you. We have more than 30% who don’t attend Sunday Mass. I doubt many of them send 9% of their incomes to church in their place. If every American Catholic family gave 9% of their income to the Church, our bishops would not know what to do with all that money. 😀
 
I agree. It could be they’re not willing to pay taxes because of the liberal and modernist leaders that seem to have taken over. I don’t think lukewarm is the right word. Perhaps protestantism.
 
It would be interesting to know if there is a breakdown of statistics by diocese or region in Germany. I understand that Bavaria is still quite conservative in its Catholicism, and also I thought it had a higher percentage of Catholics generally.
 
Haven’t the taxes been levied for some time now? Has there been a marked increase in them from the previous year to this year (or a recent economic downturn) to account for a surge in people stating they may leave the Church?

And if the taxes are the impetus for leaving how many of them are faithful who simply can’t afford it and how many are those who don’t really believe but never had to make a choice?
 
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The German Church knows that people are leaving for tax reasons and has been hoping they will stay if they follow trendy modern ideas. To do this to what they believe will be public satisfaction, they need independence from the rest of the church’s doctrine, without being formally expelled from the church.

This is why they are pushing Synodality and actively trying to use events like the Amazon Synod to get their agenda through.

Does it work? No. But the fact that over and over again it is proved that liberalising doctrine doesn’t result in greater church attendance doesn’t stop them from trying it again. And again.
 
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Does it work? No. But the fact that over and over again it is proved that liberalising doctrine doesn’t result in greater church attendance doesn’t stop them from trying it again. And again.
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God has been trying to show us that this method is a proven failure. He is not going to bless it. The very opposite approach, faithfulness, reverence and clarity to His teachings, results in growth and blessing. Too many of our church leaders have not wanted to face that fact, and they (and we) have to suffer for it.
 
He’s so liberal it’s not obvious why he’s a Catholic. He doesn’t believe it matters what you use as bread in the eucharist. He doesn’t believe a male priesthood is necesssary. He doesn’t think you need to be in a state of grace to receive communion. He believes in gay marriage.

To hold those views it is necessary to reject Catholic teaching on the sacraments of Mass, Confession, Marriage, and ordination.

That leaves Baptism, Anointing of the sick and confirmation. Ive no idea what his views are on those.
 
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Bavaria was always the most Catholic part of Germany but the bishops there are ultra liberal.

About a third of Germany’s bishops are orthodox but of course their voice goes unheard.
 
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