survey Mary is God? yes or no?

[MariaG]

Joseph_Alison:

Salaam Goeoge;

George, I never met someone (a Christian that is) who claimed to understand the trinity and I wish the trinity’s view were simple so our Christian Brethren could educate us.

Salaam.
Joseph.

Joseph,

Do Muslims claim to completely understand the nature of God?

My ignorance of your religion is almost complete. I truly don’t know. Inquiring tone. Not an attack.

God Bless,
Maria

 

[George_Waters]

Joseph_Alison:

Salaam Goeoge;

George, I never met someone (a Christian that is) who claimed to understand the trinity and I wish the trinity’s view were simple so our Christian Brethren could educate us.

Salaam.
Joseph.

Salaam Joseph!

I think you will admit that we do not and can not understand the nature and ways of God unless He reveals His nature or ways to us. I think you would also admit that God expects us to have faith in Him, faith beyond our limited understanding and knowledge.

When someone says that the Trinity does not make sense they are in effect limiting the power of God, at least in their own mind. They are allowing their own knowledge and understanding to supercede that of God and are not demonstrating that they have faith in Him beyond their own knowledge and understanding.

I do not question God, His knowledge or power. Can I understand God, His omnipotence, His omnipresence? No. I can not even begin to understand some natural biological processes that are infinitely more simple than the nature of God. I have faith in God and do not try to limit Him to my feeble understanding of His nature and ways.

Instead of asking why God would be triune, ask yourself why couldn’t He be triune if that is His will.

May God guide us all to Him!

 

[inJESUS]

Mr. cestusde,

What is really you Christians have, that Muslims must learn from you, about your Holy Trinity

when, it is still a mystery, even after 2000 years? it is a mystery in the sense that it is God and a human cannot understand God by his limited capacity.

Christians have been using many examples, such as of three forms of matter and strange mathematical “formulas” and even Graphical childish diagrams, to explain the mysterious Holy Trinity, which they (Trinitarian Christians

) themselves have not understood, till now. these examples are just to show,in a human manner, that 3 things could be ONE.

I asked this question earlier & got no response : do you know the nature of God? yes God is ONE, but what is the nature of this ONE? the quran says : nothing like Allah…fine, but it is not enough coz it doesnt say “Why”…Jesus, on the other hand, showed the nature of God coz only God himself can know what His nature is…and i beg the question: if Jesus were a mere prophet, it would have been just great coz he is the Great Messiah!! that itself is just great!!..why on earth should someone change his nature? they should have changed his teachings to make them more wordly, not His nature!

 

[Joseph_Alison]

Salaam JimG;

JimG:

Your way of thinking is this: God in his dealings with mankind must make sure that everything is written down.

Not necessarily. Many prophets and messengers of God did not leave a book to the next generations, humanity was simply not able to write yet or the message of those prophets and messengers was very simple: worship God and God alone.
However, when it comes to the last revelation from God to mankind, yes it had to be recorded, so people can always refer to the original, but at one condition: the original must remain unchanged for ever. What I read now is what the very first Muslims have read and memorized and it is not going to change.

My way of thinking is this: God chooses how he will deal with mankind and make his revelation known to us.

I totally concur.

He chose to come in person to reveal himself to us.

Not with this one.

Not everything he did and said was written, but he taught his apostles what was needed, and they handed it down through the ages.

Yes, I believe that the message of Jesus was oral. During his life on earth; he did not leave a written book whether authored by himself or his close disciples. The most recent gospel has been dated (if my memory serves me correctly) around 70AD. But how did the apostles hand down what he said or did? In writing: catechism, gospels, epistles etc.

Now let me ask you a question. Is it a Muslim belief that those who die in the service and good graces of Allah go directly to paradise?

Yes.

Do they experience bodily pleasures there?

Don’t know for sure, but they are happy and very pleased by what they received from Allah (SWT).

If so, how can they experience bodily pleasure, since they have no body at that point, it having been left behind on the earth?

Like I said, I don’t know for sure if they have bodily pleasure or not; in fact I don’t know how a spirit looks like and I don’t know of someone who knows, except Allah (SWT): “They are asking thee concerning the Spirit. Say: The Spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been vouchsafed but little” (Qur’an 17:85)

Is the answer to this written somewhere in the Qur’an?

Yes, concerning the ones who die in the service and good graces of Allah (SWT): “Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision; Jubilant (are they) because of that which Allah hath bestowed upon them of His bounty, rejoicing for the sake of those who have not joined them but are left behind: That there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve; They rejoice because of favour from Allah and kindness, and that Allah wasteth not the wage of the believers” (Qur’an 3:169-171)

Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[inJESUS]

Salaam Joseph

Not with this one.

because God can’t or because the quran says so?

Yes, I believe that the message of Jesus was oral. During his life on earth; he did not leave a written book whether authored by himself or his close disciples. The most recent gospel has been dated (if my memory serves me correctly) around 70AD. But how did the apostles hand down what he said or did? In writing: catechism, gospels, epistles etc.

so why does the quran say that allah gave Jesus the gospel and why are we called “the people of the book” if God did not have the intention to have Jesus’ message written coz it’s not the last one?

Don’t know for sure, but they are happy and very pleased by what they received from Allah (SWT).

the hadith explains it in sexual terms…and the quran talks about houri in heaven and marriage…this is agaisnt Jesus’ teachings

Like I said, I don’t know for sure if they have bodily pleasure or not; in fact I don’t know how a spirit looks like and I don’t know of someone who knows, except Allah (SWT): “They are asking thee concerning the Spirit. Say: The Spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been vouchsafed but little

” (Qur’an 17:85) if am not mistaken, you will have the same body but a young age and you will have honey,milk,women ,sex ecc ( muslim interpretation).

Yes, concerning the ones who die in the service and good graces of Allah (SWT): “Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision; Jubilant (are they) because of that which Allah hath bestowed upon them of His bounty, rejoicing for the sake of those who have not joined them but are left behind: That there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve; They rejoice because of favour from Allah and kindness, and that Allah wasteth not the wage of the believers

” (Qur’an 3:169-171) and if he kills an apostate?will he be rewarded? thx

 

[Will_Pick]

Daniel Marsh:

I asked for a simple yes or no, not rudeness.

No rudeness here,you got a simple no or did you not like the answer.

 

[Justice2006]

inJESUS:

and if he kills an apostate?will he be rewarded? thx

You mean those who killed a multitude of God’s choosen people-- Jews, under the Holy “infallible” Papacy’s rule, will go to Hell, then?

The term Apostate is a relative term, just like a **Terrorist ** or Freedom Fighter or liberator.

Gospel According to Saint John
Chapter 8 verse 37-40
37 I [Jesus] know that you are the children of Abraham: but you seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and you do the things that you have seen with your father.
39 They answered, and said to him: Abraham is our father. Jesus saith to them: If you be the children of Abraham, do the works of Abraham.
40 But now you seek to kill me, a man who have spoken the truth to you, which I have heard of God.

[Douay-Rheims Bible, John Chapter 8]](Douay-Rheims Bible, John Chapter 8])

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Gospel According to Saint Luke
Chapter 19 Verses 26-28

26 But I say to you, that to every one that hath shall be given, and he shall abound: and from him that hath not, even that which he hath, shall be taken from him.
27 But as for those my enemies, who would not have me reign over them, bring them hither, and kill them before me.
28 And having said these things, he went before, going up to Jerusalem.

[Douay-Rheims Bible, Luke Chapter 19]](Douay-Rheims Bible, Luke Chapter 19])

Why did Jesus (God of Love, Preacher of Peace) said: as for those my enemies, who would not have me reign over them, bring them hither, and kill them before me.??

.

 

[LilyM]

Justice2006:

Gospel According to Saint Luke
Chapter 19 Verses 26-28

26 But I say to you, that to every one that hath shall be given, and he shall abound: and from him that hath not, even that which he hath, shall be taken from him.
27 But as for those my enemies, who would not have me reign over them, bring them hither, and kill them before me.
28 And having said these things, he went before, going up to Jerusalem.

[Douay-Rheims Bible, Luke Chapter 19]](Douay-Rheims Bible, Luke Chapter 19])

Why did Jesus (God of Love, Preacher of Peace) said: as for those my enemies, who would not have me reign over them, bring them hither, and kill them before me.??

.

Jesus was telling a parable - a story illustrative of a moral point - in this chapter, and it is one of the characters in this parable which speaks those words, it is not Jesus talking about himself or his own enemies.

It is my understanding (and correct me if I am wrong) that Mohammed himself engaged in actual battle against his enemies (not just talk of killing them!) - and this from the prophet of a religion that also repeatedly claims to be peaceful.

Contrast that with what we believe Jesus DID when he was killed - he willingly sacrificed his own life, told his followers who wanted to fight for him to put away their swords - and in fact forgave the people who were killing him. He sounds more like the true messenger of peace to me.

 

[Justice2006]

LilyM:

Contrast that with what we believe Jesus ACTUALLY did when he was killed - he willingly sacrificed his own life, told his followers who wanted to fight for him to put away their swords - and in fact forgave the people who were killing him. Which sounds more like the true prophet of peace to you?

Ms. Lily,
You can believe whatever you like. But that does not change what in fact Jesus did, said. and preached.

First there is no clear and reliable record of what in fact Jesus preached. What you have in your hands, is writtien by mostly UNKNOWN writers. Then, whatever you have recieved/discovered so far, is not a complete record of those mostly UNKNOWN writers of your scriptures.

The internal evidence shows that lot of information about Jesus is missing:

Gospel According to Saint John
Chapter 2:25

25 **But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written. **

Then there were so many other gospels in circulation prior to 4th century canonization of so-called 3 synoptics and one non-synoptic gospel.

Then you or your Church understanding of verses Luke 19:26-28, is not what it appeared from the text. You/your church is reading your own thoughts into the text of Luke to accomodate a pre-conceived idea/dogma/view.

.

 

[Justice2006]

LilyM:

Contrast that with what we believe Jesus ACTUALLY did when he was killed - he willingly sacrificed his own life, told his followers who wanted to fight for him to put away their swords - and in fact forgave the people who were killing him. Which sounds more like the true prophet of peace to you?

Ms. Lily,

As to the “sacrifice” of Jesus:

**- Do you think, if Judas Iscariot had have not betrayed Jesus, Jesus still would have been sacrificed his life willingly or unwillingly by commiting suicide on the Cross at his age of about 33 years?

- Did Jesus not prayed to God in the garden of Gethsemane and asked if there was any other way to do this?

Matthew 27:3-5

3 Then Judas, who betrayed him, seeing that he was condemned, repenting himself, brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and ancients,
4 Saying: I have sinned in betraying innocent blood. But they said: What is that to us? look thou to it.
5 And casting down the pieces of silver in the temple, he departed: and went and hanged himself with an halter.​

Was Judas Iscariot-“a devil”, saved? Did he go to Heaven or Hell?**

 

[LilyM]

Justice2006:

Ms. Lily,

As to the “sacrifice” of Jesus:

**- Do you think, if Judas Iscariot had have not betrayed Jesus, Jesus still would have been sacrificed his life willingly or unwillingly by commiting suicide on the Cross at his age of about 33 years?

**- Did Jesus not prayed to God in the garden of Gethsemane and asked if there was any other way to do this?****]

Firstly Jesus’ death was not suicide - and don’t offend Christians by calling it that. It was martyrdom - sacrificing his life for his beliefs, just like Islam has its martyrs, and Christianity had many after Jesus.

As to the Garden of Gethsemane. If I am sick, I may hope and pray that surgery is not necessary to treat my illness. I may seek more information, and delay having surgery to make sure it is absolutely necessary because surgery is such a drastic measure. Once it becomes clear to me that surgery IS absolutely necessary, however, I will willingly HAVE the surgery.

Jesus certainly went willingly to his death - there are several instances where it could have been avoided. Firstly the Bible makes it clear that he knew beforehand that Judas was going to betray him to death - he could have run away after Judas left. Then his followers were willing to fight with swords to prevent his being arrested in the garden, if he was unwilling to be arrested he would at least have let them fight for him rather than tell them to put their swords away.

If he was unwilling he also would have defended himself against the charges of blasphemy for which he was crucified - his judge, Pilate, was sympathetic to him and saw his innocence, so probably would have let him go if he had at all defended himself. He didn’t defend himself with sword or tongue at any of these stages where he could have - he sounds fairly willing to me.

Justice2006:

Was Judas Iscariot-“a devil”, saved? Did he go to Heaven or Hell?

First of all Judas was a human being, not literally a devil, every human has a chance of being saved and taken to heaven until the final moment of their life. His final destination depends on his state of mind at the second of death. It is noone’s business but that of God and Judas, certainly I don’t know where he is. It is irrelevant unless you’re implying that he forced Jesus to give up his life, which I have shown didn’t happen.

And please answer my earlier question: did or did not Mohammed go into battle against his enemies?

 

[George_Waters]

Justice2006,

I am just curous if you have the courtsey (though I could use your term; courage) to answer my questions addressed to you in post #158 of this thread?

 

[Justice2006]

George Waters:

Justice2006,
I am just curous if you have the courtsey (though I could use your term; courage) to answer my questions addressed to you in post #158 of this thread?

Mr. Waters,

Here is my reply to the questions of your Post# 158
George Waters:

Justice2006,

1. Why do Muslims limit the power of God?

By claiming that God is not triune you are placing a limitation on His power with your limited human comprehension. God is all-powerful and is not limited by anything.

Mr. Waters,

Any Muslim (who knows what Islam basically teaches), cannot “limit” the Power of God. Because from the Koranic point of view: There is only One God who is The Eternal and **The Powerfull ** first of all. When He is The Powerfull, then the question of limiting His Power never arises, in the first palce, let alone limiting Him.

God Almighty Has Power over all things and He does whatever He Wills and not necessarily as man expects from Him to do. God is not bound by our self-created/concocted “laws” or views. He is not even bound by whatever the Law He Himself has enforced/regulated in His whole Universe and in within our ownselves. The bottom line is: He does whatever He Wills. Now you can ask: What is His Will? His Whole Will is not knowable for us because we are His creatures and He is The Creator. But whatever his creatures could comprehend about His Nature He did conveyed through His choosen Prophets and Messengers, to whom He first assigned a higher level, in order them to receive His Messages/Revelations and communicate with Him.

Coming to your view/dogma of Triune God, the absurdity of your argument is based on a view which has no foundation at all even in your own scriptures’ broader point of view, in the first place. Now let me make you realise it’s baselessness by asking some counter questions:

**- Can your God do anything that is in **your/our ** mind or think about his Nature? If you say, yes! then can:

• He make atleast an another God equal unto Him?
• Can He throw you out of His Dominion?
• Why God has to be in a cage of a limited mere triune nature? Why He can’t manifest in everything physically?
• Once you are ready to accept a *Triune God * then on what intellectual premise you can reject an Hindu idea of Everything is God?
  **

Your question#2:
George Waters:

Justice2006,
2) Why do Muslims assume that they completely understand the nature and ways of God?

The reason Muslims–who know what Islam is all about and teaches–completely understand **the Nature and Ways of God ** because whatever a man is needed to know about God, has been **already revealed ** by God in the Koran, which is the Last Revelation from Him. Since it is the Last, thus no further explanation about **God’s Nature and His ways ** is needed to know from Him. This Case is closed!
George Waters:

Justice2006,
The Trinity is not a mystery in the sense most commonly implied, but in the sense that we can not fully understand the nature of God. Only human ignorance and arrogance would limit God and claim to know His ways.

Again there is a same type of flaw in your above argument (as you displyed in your first question). You will realise it if you think little bit deeply.

God is, whatever His Nature is. You cannot attribute your own concocted “mystery” to God and then expect from others to accept your assigned artificial “mystery” as The Mystery of God. And when someone “failed” to understand your assigned “mystery”, you cannot blame him for not comprehending **The Mysterious Nature of God ** which is actually your assigned “mystery”.

Obviously there were people on the face of this very Earth, prior to the birth of Jesus to Saint Mary (peace be upon her), and Prophets of God (pbut) were sent to them in different times/epoch and their faithfull followers DID UNDERSTAND the NAUTRE of SAME GOD which was NOT A TRIUNE in NATURE at that time. I wonder, how they or atleast the Prophets of God (pbut) did understand PERFECTLY what GOD is, without your Church view of Trinity? Can you claim that Prophet Moses (pbuh) or Prophet Noah (pbuh) or Prophet Abraham (pbuh) etc. too **did not ** understand GOD, simply because there was no Triune dogma in their period?

.

 

[LilyM]

Justice2006:

Can you claim that Prophet Moses (pbuh) or Prophet Noah (pbuh) or Prophet Abraham (pbuh) etc. too **did not ** understand GOD, simply because there was no Triune dogma in their period? .

Firstly none of the Jewish prophets had any knowledge of Mohammed or his teachings either - especially the Islamic teaching that God neither begets nor is begotten.

The Jews DID believe that God could and would beget. Look in the Old Testament - prophet Isaiah Chapter 9 verse 6: … ‘unto us a child [human] is born, unto us a son [human] is given … and his name shall be … MIGHTY GOD’.

Clearly Isaiah, a most respected prophet of the Jews, believed that God could and would become incarnate (take on human form) at some point in human history.

I’m not an expert on Old Testament references to the Trinity, though I believe there is some evidence that the elements of the Trinity are referred to in the Old Testament - perhaps someone more knowledgeable can point us both to the relevant OT passages.

At the very least we Christians have a decent claim for believing that Jesus fulfilled this prophecy of Isaiah by BEING God incarnate. How does Mohammed or any other of the prophets of Islam fulfil this verse of Isaiah?

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

who can understand women?

If we can’t figure out a created being, how are we expected to completely figure out God?

 

[JSmitty2005]

Daniel Marsh:

who can understand women?

If we can’t figure out a created being, how are we expected to completely figure out God?

If you want to understand women, read “The Privilege of Being a Woman” by Dr. Alice von Hildebrand and/or “Captivating” by John & Stasi Eldredge.

 

[Booklover]

Justice2006:

Mr. Waters,

The reason Muslims–who know what Islam is all about and teaches–completely understand **the Nature and Ways of God **because whatever a man is needed to know about God, has been **already revealed **by God in the Koran, which is the Last Revelation from Him. Since it is the Last, thus no further explanation about **God’s Nature and His ways **is needed to know from Him. This Case is closed!

.

More Muslim triumphalism! You claim that the Quran is the word of God! Are these the WORDS OF GOD?

*018.086 *
YUSUFALI: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: “O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.”
PICKTHAL: Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu’l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
SHAKIR: Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.

THE SUN SETS IN A MUDDY SPRING? ARE THESE THE WORDS OF GOD? That is ridiculous, those are the words of the creator of the Quran, Mohammed.

How about these:
*036.038 *
YUSUFALI: And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.
PICKTHAL: And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
SHAKIR: And the sun runs on to a term appointed for it; that is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knowing.

A resting place for sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS?

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421
Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, “Abzar do you know after setting where does Sun go?” I replied, I do not know, only Allah’s apostle can say better. Then Prophet (SA) replied, “After setting, the sun remains prostrated under Allah’s Aro’sh and waits for Allah’s command for rising again in the East. Day will come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon Earth”.
*067.005 *
YUSUFALI: And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.
PICKTHAL: And verily We have beautified the world’s heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame.
SHAKIR: And certainly We have adorned this lower heaven with lamps and We have made these missiles for the Shaitans, and We have prepared for them the chastisement of burning.

THE STARS WERE CREATED AS MISSILES TO CHASE AWAY DEVILS??

Can you actually believe that God said these things?? These are the words of a 7th century man who did not know what he was talking about. And you say that our scriptures are full of absurdities? And you actually believe this nonsense?

We’re waiting for your explanation!

Vickie

 

[inJESUS]

George,the quran DOES NOT talk about God’s nature…it says : nothing like allah! wow that’s a novelty! so muslims insist : God is one!! and so we say !!! but at least God revealed what is the nature of this oness.

 

[Booklover]

Booklover:

More Muslim triumphalism! You claim that the Quran is the word of God! Are these the WORDS OF GOD?

*018.086 *
YUSUFALI: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: “O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.”
PICKTHAL: Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu’l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
SHAKIR: Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.

THE SUN SETS IN A MUDDY SPRING? ARE THESE THE WORDS OF GOD? That is ridiculous, those are the words of the creator of the Quran, Mohammed.

How about these:
*036.038 *
YUSUFALI: And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.
PICKTHAL: And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
SHAKIR: And the sun runs on to a term appointed for it; that is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knowing.

A resting place for sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS?

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421
Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, “Abzar do you know after setting where does Sun go?” I replied, I do not know, only Allah’s apostle can say better. Then Prophet (SA) replied, “After setting, the sun remains prostrated under Allah’s Aro’sh and waits for Allah’s command for rising again in the East. Day will come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon Earth”.
*067.005 *
YUSUFALI: And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.
PICKTHAL: And verily We have beautified the world’s heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame.
SHAKIR: And certainly We have adorned this lower heaven with lamps and We have made these missiles for the Shaitans, and We have prepared for them the chastisement of burning.

THE STARS WERE CREATED AS MISSILES TO CHASE AWAY DEVILS??

Can you actually believe that God said these things?? These are the words of a 7th century man who did not know what he was talking about. And you say that our scriptures are full of absurdities? And you actually believe this nonsense?

We’re waiting for your explanation!

Vickie

Justice2006, I’m still waiting for your reply!

Vickie

 

[George_Waters]

Justice2006,

“God Almighty Has Power over all things and He does whatever He Wills and not necessarily as man expects from Him to do. God is not bound by our self-created/concocted “laws” or views. He is not even bound by whatever the Law He Himself has enforced/regulated in His whole Universe and in within our ownselves. The bottom line is: He does whatever He Wills. Now you can ask: What is His Will? His Whole Will is not knowable for us because we are His creatures and He is The Creator. But whatever his creatures could comprehend about His Nature He did conveyed through His choosen Prophets and Messengers, to whom He first assigned a higher level, in order them to receive His Messages/Revelations and communicate with Him.”

I completely agree! But by stating God is NOT triune you are attempting to limit the power of God, at least in your own mind. As you said “God is not bound by our self-created/concocted “laws” or views.” So the view that the Trinity does not make sense is our self-centered/concocted laws, not God’s.

“ Now let me make you realise it’s baselessness…”

Make me realize…? I agree with your above quoted statement. What do I need to be made to realize? You are the one who is insisting what God is not though you admit we can not fully comprehend His nature. It is your self-centered view that God is only what you believe Him to be, not mine.

“The reason Muslims–who know what Islam is all about and teaches–completely understand the Nature and Ways of God because whatever a man is needed to know about God, has been already revealed by God in the Koran, which is the Last Revelation from Him. Since it is the Last, thus no further explanation about God’s Nature and His ways is needed to know from Him. This Case is closed!”

So we come to it! Because the Quran says so, case closed! I will not even go into all the issues with that one… It’s the last so it must be the best, which fallacy is that one? You speaking of making me realize and showing me my flaws yet resort to a fallacy to prove your point? How incredibly arrogant, typical and frankly disappointing!

“God is, whatever His Nature is. You cannot attribute your own concocted “mystery” to God and then expect from others to accept your assigned artificial “mystery” as The Mystery of God. And when someone “failed” to understand your assigned “mystery”, you cannot blame him for not comprehending The Mysterious Nature of God which is actually your assigned “mystery”.

Sentence one; I agree. Sentence two; you should not attribute your own limited view to God and it is NOT a mystery to God, nor is it artificial, it was relieved to us by God, not some “prophet” who recited the lies Satan whispered into his ear. Sentence three; failed to understand or allowed their own arrogance to affect their faith in God?

“I wonder, how they or atleast the Prophets of God (pbut) did understand PERFECTLY what GOD is, without your Church view of Trinity? Can you claim that Prophet Moses (pbuh) or Prophet Noah (pbuh) or Prophet Abraham (pbuh) etc. too did not understand GOD, simply because there was no Triune dogma in their period?”

They understood God as He reviled Himself to them.

Once again, you are the one insisting what God is and is not based on your own self-centered and arrogant views, not me.