Survey: Religious superiors support possibility of women deacons

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Thank you. The goal here is to get women priests. Not going to happen.
 
mrsdizzyd said:
I agree which is why I strenuously object to be characterized as someone who believes that women priest are possible!
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I’m sorry. I thought your reply was from the person I had replied to, because you were implying the Pope’s writing had nothing to do with the question. My apologies.
 
deMontfort said:
As far as I’m concerned if someone calls themselves “Catholic” but deny dogmas, they’re fake Catholics.
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The Church disagrees. We are Catholic by virtue of our baptism. “Fake” implies that they are not real Catholics. They are.

But they that reject dogma, are also rebellious and quite possibly espouse heresy.
 
That’s a Vatican II construct designed to do an end-run around EENS. Prior to Vatican II you had to actually believe the Church’s dogmas to be considered Catholic.
 
Vatican II? I don’t think so. I was there in Religion Class at my Catholic School. What’s an EENS?
 
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EENS is the Latin shorthand for “no salvation outside the church”.
 
OK. Thanks. There was no “end run.” I heard a local priest telling his men’s group that they [those outside the Church] “should be Catholic.”
 
YourNameHere said:
The Church has evolved through the years. Once Mass was said only in Latin.
Things can and do change.
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But you see this is NOT really true.

From the beginning of the Church, the Divine Liturgy has been prayed in Latin, Greek, Aramaic, etc depending on the Rite.

It was NEVER dogma to celebrate mass in Latin in the Latin Church. It was liturgical law and discipline, but never Dogma.

Church Discipline can and does change, per God’s will and the needs of the Church.

Dogma cannot change.

Pope John Paul II has clearly confirmed that a male only priesthood is a Dogmatic teaching of the Church and cannot change.

No Pope or Church Council can change that.

If God wants women priests, then Jesus will have to tell the Church publically during the Second Coming.

Otherwise, the Church does NOT have the authority to allow women.

It doesn’t matter… even if every single bishop, priest, and lay person wanted female priests, the only way it can happen is if Jesus instructs the Church during the Second Coming.
 
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YourNameHere:
With God anything is possible. God knows no timeline.
Eventually, women will be priests. Why? Because God’s people are both men and women.
I know that disturbs you to no end, Phil. I will pray for you.
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Thank you for the prayers.

However, I don’t think you understand why the idea disturbs me.

It has NOTHING to do with women. It has everything to do with dogma. Dogma CANNOT change. If women are allowed to receive Holy Orders, then theoretically, there is NOTHING that can prevent a heretical group of clergy from preaching that our understanding of the Trinity is wrong.

If one dogma is changed, then it opens all dogma to change.

That’s why the thought disturbs me. Women receiving Holy Orders would be the beginning of the end of the Catholic Church. Not because they are women, but because a dogma would have been changed.

God Bless
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Dogma doesn’t change. Dogma can’t change, by definition.
What changes is people. You and I.
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I’m sorry, but I fail to understand your point.

Women cannot receive Holy Orders. That is a dogma of the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches.

If a woman receives Holy Orders, the a Dogma will have been changed - which will be BAD NEWS

God Bless
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My point is, dogmas don’t change. You are worried about changing core truths. Core truths don’t change.
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Yes, I know dogmas can’t change. That was the point I was trying to make to the person I was replying to. That poster fails to understand that the male only priesthood is a Dogma, therefore I cannot ever be changed, unless Jesus comes back and provides a new Public Revelation.

God Bless
 
Catholics do not worship the god Change, which demands constant change, rational or not. The Church is guided by the Holy Spirit and she will not violate God’s will and agree to some novelty created by men.
 
AlNg said:
There are Roman Catholic theologians who say that the teaching against women priests is not an infallible teaching.
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There was a saintly Pope in our lifetime who used the words, “Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren, I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.”

This is admittedly coming from the cheap seats, but I predict that saintly Pope, of happy memory, will be named a Doctor of the Church and still no bishop of Rome will have ever recognized the ordination of a woman to the ministerial priesthood of the Roman Catholic Church.
 
thistle said:
Once Mass was said only in Latin.
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No, the Eastern Rite churches neither use Latin nor ordain women and even in the Roman Rite the Kyrie is Greek.
YourNameHere said:
That is an opinion.
YOU have no right to judge me on my opinion.
If you don’t like what I have said, say nothing.
God is my only judge. Not you.
Mind your own business.
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You are on a Catholic web site giving opinions that are contrary to the plain teaching of the Church.
YourNameHere said:
What I said is that if God wants women to be priests, God will make it happen. It has nothing to do with what the church wants.
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What if God wanted to convince you to accept that this is not part of the Divine Will.
How would God go about letting you know that…you know, in a way you would accept?
What evidence would convince you?
 
PetraG said:
There was a saintly Pope in our lifetime who used the words, “Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren, I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.”
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Yes. Of course. However, I stand by what I said above.
 
AlNg said:
Yes. Of course. However, I stand by what I said above.
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True–I don’t doubt that there are theologians “out there” saying just about everything. (Some of which is enough to curl one’s hair.)
 
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AlNg said:
There are Roman Catholic theologians who say that the teaching against women priests is not an infallible teaching.
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They are WRONG. In matters of faith and morals the Catholic Church cannot be in error.
Individual people most certainly can!
 
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