Suspicions about my Wife... What to do?

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Marriage counseling and priest confession are good advises.

I will pray for your marriage and your family, there is always the chance for full repentance and rebuilding the trust, do not lose faith.
 
That takes care of their bodies and physical surroundings. She also has a responsibility to their souls, to give good example, and she has a responsibility to God and her husband to honor her Baptism and her Sacramental Marriage. If a selfish, deceitful betrayer, she is witnessing such behavior to her children, and sooner or later they will discover it. So Mom, the most important woman in their life, the one who should witness good mothering, good household skills, yes, but also how to live her motherhood in a way that is obedient to God, and which leads to eternal blessedness.

You perhaps do not understand the torment the husband/ a betrayed spouse feels, every day. Hopefully you will never find out through your own experience, and if you do, that you actually find you can simply ignore it. Anyway, yes the husband does need to seek practical advice and seek practical answers, we can’t actually help him, although we can pray for all concerned.
God’s blessings to you!
He says that she is a “great mother”.
 
I don’t think I’d do that. 🤷 I guess, from my perspective, she’s a rational adult and if she were to choose infidelity I wouldn’t lay the blame squarely on him.

I’d either stay married for the sake of keeping my life together (family, household, etc.) but no longer live as ‘husband & wife’ in the sexual/intimate sense; or I’d look for an annulment and civil divorce. If she were to choose someone else, so be it. Violence wouldn’t enter into it.
 
My opinion is to ignore it since she is a great mother. Unfortunately, I was told that a lot of American women won’t cook, they won’t clean and they are lousy mothers. Some, for example, allow their teenagers to grow Mary Jane in the back yard. Actually, I did see this particular case.
No. There are three reasons that canon law gives to excuse a spouse from continuing the common conjugal life in a valid marriage: Infidelity, danger to the spouse or the children, or a level of conflict so high that the difficulty of maintaining peace in the home is beyond the spouse’s capacity.

Infidelity is a grave offense against your spouse. You don’t make it up with great meals, a clean home, or lots of money. More to the point, if you are cheating on your children’s other parent, you are not a “great parent.” Maybe you are excellent in a lot of ways, but to cheat on a child’s other parent is to cheat on the child. It is a grave betrayal of trust, and not just the trust of one person.

Having said that, a person who has fallen into infidelity can become like an alcoholic or a drug addict. They can become psychologically enslaved. That doesn’t mitigate the harm they do, but it does mitigate their power to control themselves without outside support.

This wife would appear to have a “friend” who is supporting her in her infidelity. Why, I cannot even guess. It is not unlikely that the “friend” is unfaithful herself or that she has been taken in by the rationalizations of the cheating couple that make the innocent spouse out to be the villain, never minding all the appropriate ways there are to cope with the stress of marital difficulties. If this “friend” is a Catholic, I would go to her directly and tell her I need her help in saving my marriage. I would not make accusations, but I would tell her I know my spouse confides in her in ways she does not confide in me. I’d tell her I hope she is strongly encouraging my spouse to be faithful, rather than encouraging her to do things that might leave her vulnerable to the temptation to cheat. The idea is to enlist this friend as a friend of your marriage, not to have her hating your guts when you walk away! Who knows? She may be able to frankly tell you things you need to hear that your wife isn’t telling you, such as the way your wife thinks you are failing. It is hard to hear, but it would help to know it and act on it. If this friend has been fed the lie that you are self-centered and only care about your career only to find that you love your wife and want to make her happy, that could be a shock to her that could change the way she acts in this whole situation.

Based on people I know, I’d say the most likely way out are these:
a) get help to strengthen the relationship between the two spouses, so they each see the other as being “on their side.” You don’t build love and trust by a “you against me” mindset or by setting up legalistic quid pro quo and scorekeeping ways of living the common conjugal life. The goal is to avoid looking at marriage as 50/50 or some sort of a business arrangement in order to embrace it as a single life lived by two people. Very often, this requires seeing to the individual emotional difficulties each is going through; that often takes outside help when the marriage hits the rocks.

b) impress upon both parties how awful divorce would be–not just how hard on the children, but how hard on each of the spouses, how expensive, how stressful, how upsetting. It is not a “freedom,” as our fantasies sometimes suggest. It sets up a cold chasm where true happiness would have unity and love. It also increases the risk that the children will have any number of psychological difficulties, including that they will be unable to maintain a lifetime marriage of their own. It also increases the chances of psychological harm and even harm to the health and longevity of the spouses.

I’d also say that it is prudent to be ready as a parent to defend parental rights in case your spouse decides unilaterally on a divorce or if a divorce becomes necessary to justly divide assets when the spouse becomes recalcitrant in infidelity. When a “great mother” decides she wants to divorce you, you had better get your ducks in a row as soon as you see it could be coming, or you could live to see some other man living in your house and parenting your children, largely without you.

Emerging from an infidelity with a stronger marriage does happen, but not just by stopping the infidelity!! It is not a mere willingness to “move on” that improves a marriage! No! It is the work that the desire to rebuild spurs the couple to do for each other that improves the marriage. Get on with that work. No matter what you do, you first ought to be doing everything you possibly can to make your wife feel lucky to be married to you in every way. If you want to be secure in your marriage again, aim for making it a very high priority to attend to each other, be grateful for each other, enjoy each other, rejoice in each other. Aim a lot higher than “no more hanky panky.” Aim that low, and you will lose.
 
That takes care of their bodies and physical surroundings. She also has a responsibility to their souls, to give good example, and she has a responsibility to God and her husband to honor her Baptism and her Sacramental Marriage. If a selfish, deceitful betrayer, she is witnessing such behavior to her children, and sooner or later they will discover it. So Mom, the most important woman in their life, the one who should witness good mothering, good household skills, yes, but also how to live her motherhood in a way that is obedient to God, and which leads to eternal blessedness.

You perhaps do not understand the torment the husband/ a betrayed spouse feels, every day. Hopefully you will never find out through your own experience, and if you do, that you actually find you can simply ignore it. Anyway, yes the husband does need to seek practical advice and seek practical answers, we can’t actually help him, although we can pray for all concerned.
God’s blessings to you!
Yes, this exactly. Just because she takes care of their physical needs, as she should, if the children were to find this out it would be devastating. And plus, she could be endangering her husband physically as well, by bringing home an incurable STD. Plus, in this day and age internet pictures are forever, even if you delete them off your own account.
 
No. There are three reasons that canon law gives to excuse a spouse from continuing the common conjugal life in a valid marriage: Infidelity, danger to the spouse or the children, or a level of conflict so high that the difficulty of maintaining peace in the home is beyond the spouse’s capacity.

Infidelity is a grave offense against your spouse. You don’t make it up with great meals, a clean home, or lots of money. More to the point, if you are cheating on your children’s other parent, you are not a “great parent.” Maybe you are excellent in a lot of ways, but to cheat on a child’s other parent is to cheat on the child. It is a grave betrayal of trust, and not just the trust of one person.

Having said that, a person who has fallen into infidelity can become like an alcoholic or a drug addict. They can become psychologically enslaved. That doesn’t mitigate the harm they do, but it does mitigate their power to control themselves without outside support.

This wife would appear to have a “friend” who is supporting her in her infidelity. Why, I cannot even guess. It is not unlikely that the “friend” is unfaithful herself or that she has been taken in by the rationalizations of the cheating couple that make the innocent spouse out to be the villain, never minding all the appropriate ways there are to cope with the stress of marital difficulties. If this “friend” is a Catholic, I would go to her directly and tell her I need her help in saving my marriage. I would not make accusations, but I would tell her I know my spouse confides in her in ways she does not confide in me. I’d tell her I hope she is strongly encouraging my spouse to be faithful, rather than encouraging her to do things that might leave her vulnerable to the temptation to cheat. The idea is to enlist this friend as a friend of your marriage, not to have her hating your guts when you walk away! Who knows? She may be able to frankly tell you things you need to hear that your wife isn’t telling you, such as the way your wife thinks you are failing. It is hard to hear, but it would help to know it and act on it. If this friend has been fed the lie that you are self-centered and only care about your career only to find that you love your wife and want to make her happy, that could be a shock to her that could change the way she acts in this whole situation.

Based on people I know, I’d say the most likely way out are these:
a) get help to strengthen the relationship between the two spouses, so they each see the other as being “on their side.” You don’t build love and trust by a “you against me” mindset or by setting up legalistic quid pro quo and scorekeeping ways of living the common conjugal life. The goal is to avoid looking at marriage as 50/50 or some sort of a business arrangement in order to embrace it as a single life lived by two people. Very often, this requires seeing to the individual emotional difficulties each is going through; that often takes outside help when the marriage hits the rocks.

b) impress upon both parties how awful divorce would be–not just how hard on the children, but how hard on each of the spouses, how expensive, how stressful, how upsetting. It is not a “freedom,” as our fantasies sometimes suggest. It sets up a cold chasm where true happiness would have unity and love. It also increases the risk that the children will have any number of psychological difficulties, including that they will be unable to maintain a lifetime marriage of their own. It also increases the chances of psychological harm and even harm to the health and longevity of the spouses.

I’d also say that it is prudent to be ready as a parent to defend parental rights in case your spouse decides unilaterally on a divorce or if a divorce becomes necessary to justly divide assets when the spouse becomes recalcitrant in infidelity. When a “great mother” decides she wants to divorce you, you had better get your ducks in a row as soon as you see it could be coming, or you could live to see some other man living in your house and parenting your children, largely without you.

Emerging from an infidelity with a stronger marriage does happen, but not just by stopping the infidelity!! It is not a mere willingness to “move on” that improves a marriage! No! It is the work that the desire to rebuild spurs the couple to do for each other that improves the marriage. Get on with that work. No matter what you do, you first ought to be doing everything you possibly can to make your wife feel lucky to be married to you in every way. If you want to be secure in your marriage again, aim for making it a very high priority to attend to each other, be grateful for each other, enjoy each other, rejoice in each other. Aim a lot higher than “no more hanky panky.” Aim that low, and you will lose.
Great post. My prayers go out to the OP, in hope that there is resolution for this in a good way.
 
To the O.P-this may not be possible but maybe it is:
Is it possible to move out of the area? Does you wife have to work at this job?
Could she leave that job or not work at all? Could you move a couple of hours away or transfer or get a new job? Elsewhere?
I"m not saying this for you to run away from your problems but perhaps if your wife, as one poster suggested, is actually a good woman but has been influenced or flattered by this guy or bad friends, maybe the best way is to get away and make a new start. Of course working on the reason for this takes priority but maybe getting away from the scene might help, too.
Or course, this may not be possible and I also agree with the others who said to consult a pastor and marriage counseling.
 
No. There are three reasons that canon law gives to excuse a spouse from continuing the common conjugal life in a valid marriage: Infidelity, danger to the spouse or the children, or a level of conflict so high that the difficulty of maintaining peace in the home is beyond the spouse’s capacity.

Infidelity is a grave offense against your spouse. You don’t make it up with great meals, a clean home, or lots of money. More to the point, if you are cheating on your children’s other parent, you are not a “great parent.” Maybe you are excellent in a lot of ways, but to cheat on a child’s other parent is to cheat on the child. It is a grave betrayal of trust, and not just the trust of one person.
Well said. It’s always infuriating when someone says, X was a cheater, but they love their kids. No, no they don’t. Otherwise they wouldn’t have torn the family apart for their illciit desires.
 
My opinion is to ignore it since she is a great mother. Unfortunately, I was told that a lot of American women won’t cook, they won’t clean and they are lousy mothers. Some, for example, allow their teenagers to grow Mary Jane in the back yard. Actually, I did see this particular case.
I find this personally offensive and an insult to the vocation of mothers. Disgraceful post.
 
No. There are three reasons that canon law gives to excuse a spouse from continuing the common conjugal life in a valid marriage: Infidelity, danger to the spouse or the children, or a level of conflict so high that the difficulty of maintaining peace in the home is beyond the spouse’s capacity.

Infidelity is a grave offense against your spouse. You don’t make it up with great meals, a clean home, or lots of money. More to the point, if you are cheating on your children’s other parent, you are not a “great parent.” Maybe you are excellent in a lot of ways, but to cheat on a child’s other parent is to cheat on the child. It is a grave betrayal of trust, and not just the trust of one person.

Having said that, a person who has fallen into infidelity can become like an alcoholic or a drug addict. They can become psychologically enslaved. That doesn’t mitigate the harm they do, but it does mitigate their power to control themselves without outside support.

This wife would appear to have a “friend” who is supporting her in her infidelity. Why, I cannot even guess. It is not unlikely that the “friend” is unfaithful herself or that she has been taken in by the rationalizations of the cheating couple that make the innocent spouse out to be the villain, never minding all the appropriate ways there are to cope with the stress of marital difficulties. If this “friend” is a Catholic, I would go to her directly and tell her I need her help in saving my marriage. I would not make accusations, but I would tell her I know my spouse confides in her in ways she does not confide in me. I’d tell her I hope she is strongly encouraging my spouse to be faithful, rather than encouraging her to do things that might leave her vulnerable to the temptation to cheat. The idea is to enlist this friend as a friend of your marriage, not to have her hating your guts when you walk away! Who knows? She may be able to frankly tell you things you need to hear that your wife isn’t telling you, such as the way your wife thinks you are failing. It is hard to hear, but it would help to know it and act on it. If this friend has been fed the lie that you are self-centered and only care about your career only to find that you love your wife and want to make her happy, that could be a shock to her that could change the way she acts in this whole situation.

Based on people I know, I’d say the most likely way out are these:
a) get help to strengthen the relationship between the two spouses, so they each see the other as being “on their side.” You don’t build love and trust by a “you against me” mindset or by setting up legalistic quid pro quo and scorekeeping ways of living the common conjugal life. The goal is to avoid looking at marriage as 50/50 or some sort of a business arrangement in order to embrace it as a single life lived by two people. Very often, this requires seeing to the individual emotional difficulties each is going through; that often takes outside help when the marriage hits the rocks.

b) impress upon both parties how awful divorce would be–not just how hard on the children, but how hard on each of the spouses, how expensive, how stressful, how upsetting. It is not a “freedom,” as our fantasies sometimes suggest. It sets up a cold chasm where true happiness would have unity and love. It also increases the risk that the children will have any number of psychological difficulties, including that they will be unable to maintain a lifetime marriage of their own. It also increases the chances of psychological harm and even harm to the health and longevity of the spouses.

I’d also say that it is prudent to be ready as a parent to defend parental rights in case your spouse decides unilaterally on a divorce or if a divorce becomes necessary to justly divide assets when the spouse becomes recalcitrant in infidelity. When a “great mother” decides she wants to divorce you, you had better get your ducks in a row as soon as you see it could be coming, or you could live to see some other man living in your house and parenting your children, largely without you.

Emerging from an infidelity with a stronger marriage does happen, but not just by stopping the infidelity!! It is not a mere willingness to “move on” that improves a marriage! No! It is the work that the desire to rebuild spurs the couple to do for each other that improves the marriage. Get on with that work. No matter what you do, you first ought to be doing everything you possibly can to make your wife feel lucky to be married to you in every way. If you want to be secure in your marriage again, aim for making it a very high priority to attend to each other, be grateful for each other, enjoy each other, rejoice in each other. Aim a lot higher than “no more hanky panky.” Aim that low, and you will lose.
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Thank you all for your advice. I will be looking to speak with a priest.

I think the overall point I am trying to get at with this thread is What would Jesus do?

We are told to forgive and love our spouses unconditionally. But I also understand we’re not to let people take advantage of us and run over us. Other threads I’ve read with similar situations, the advice was to continue loving the spouse and pray for them to stay away from evil and temptation. That is basically my tactic right now, praying hard and loving hard.

My other concern is does it make me a bad guy to be spying on her, checking her texts being so distrustful, am I just being paranoid or over jealous?

Also, one saying i’ve heard is what eyes dont see, hearts dont feel, which my wife has told me on multiple occasions. She really isnt a jealous person at all with me, when i go out she has full trust in where i go, who i go with and what i do and no questions asked. I believe she is looking for that same trust with me but it makes me wonder could I(we) be happier if we lived this lifestyle of full trust, and leave my nose out of suspicion?
 
My other concern is does it make me a bad guy to be spying on her, checking her texts being so distrustful, am I just being paranoid or over jealous?
Bad? I don’t know. But I’d be willing to bet it makes you an obsessively miserable guy.
 
Well said. It’s always infuriating when someone says, X was a cheater, but they love their kids. No, no they don’t. Otherwise they wouldn’t have torn the family apart for their illciit desires.
I’ve never personally been in this situation, but I think it’s entirely possible for a cheater to love his or her children.
 
I find this personally offensive
But why? I have no doubt that there are a huge number of good mothers, but I was told that some are not so good. I even read about it in the newspapers. He says that his wife is a good mother, so my advice was to ignore her phone calls, at least for a while.
 
OP, the relevant questions is NOT “what would Jesus do?” because we’re not God. The relevant question is, “how should I act, morally?”

You can’t un-see the texts and you can’t un-feel the emotions you’d felt, and I for one do not think you’ve been nasty or have spied on her - far from it, it seems like she’s the one who’s behaved badly. You’re human, and you’re her husband, and a common problem I see around here is when a spouse gets cheated on (and invariably it’s a man) he ends up beating himself up for it. Stop that. You did nothing wrong.

I would not “ignore it,” and anyone who says that is ignorant of many things in life - particularly how a man ought to behave when confronted by this.
 
OP, the relevant questions is NOT “what would Jesus do?” because we’re not God. The relevant question is, “how should I act, morally?”

You can’t un-see the texts and you can’t un-feel the emotions you’d felt, and I for one do not think you’ve been nasty or have spied on her - far from it, it seems like she’s the one who’s behaved badly. You’re human, and you’re her husband, and a common problem I see around here is when a spouse gets cheated on (and invariably it’s a man) he ends up beating himself up for it. Stop that. You did nothing wrong.

I would not “ignore it,” and anyone who says that is ignorant of many things in life - particularly how a man ought to behave when confronted by this.
I have to agree. Ignoring problems seldom makes them go away. The OP needs marriage counseling with his wife to salvage what left and turn a page fro the better. Acting like nothing is going on will only fuel the fire.
 
When I found myself in a shockingly similar situation I spent about three weeks observing and gathering information. I knew exactly what was going on. My wife, of course, lied and lied. But I had the facts.

One thing that my counselor (a very faithful Catholic counselor with Pastoral Solutions Institute) suggested is doing a very simple one-line prayer that “that which is in the dark be brought into the light”. I believe that simple prayer had amazing results. I can tell you that some of the things that just seem to fall into my lap can only have come about by the grace and power of God.

That said, I also installed a GPS tracking device on her car, hacked into her i-cloud account, spied on the two of them together right through his living-room window and hacked into his cell phone records. I know that hacking into his cell phone records is a bad one, but it revealed that she had been using other peoples phones (including the phone in the office of the Catholic school that our children attend) to talk to him for literally hundreds of hours.

So, my recommendation is observe and document, then confront.
 
I’ve never personally been in this situation, but I think it’s entirely possible for a cheater to love his or her children.
Love emotion is not the same as love the verb. Does someone say, “Well, he embezzled, but he was a great employee, I don’t know what we would do without him”? Do you say, “sure, the guy paid off judges to make some troubles go away for his relatives, but besides that look at what a great governor he has been!” No, there are certain violations of trust that negate our other good and even great and sacrificial works. It is the voice of the devil that tells us, “Look how much you’ve done for them…you deserve this, they can’t hold this one thing against you, not compared to all of that.” That’s the lie, that you can’t throw away a huge body of devotion and work on an isolated but grave betrayal of trust.

Sometimes, these things can be forgiven and worked through when the offender is willing to repent, make amends, and re-builds trust by diligently avoiding near occasions of that sin. They are not worked through when the offender pretends to be entitled to be given a pass.
 
When I found myself in a shockingly similar situation I spent about three weeks observing and gathering information. I knew exactly what was going on. My wife, of course, lied and lied. But I had the facts.

One thing that my counselor (a very faithful Catholic counselor with Pastoral Solutions Institute) suggested is doing a very simple one-line prayer that “that which is in the dark be brought into the light”. I believe that simple prayer had amazing results. I can tell you that some of the things that just seem to fall into my lap can only have come about by the grace and power of God.

That said, I also installed a GPS tracking device on her car, hacked into her i-cloud account, spied on the two of them together right through his living-room window and hacked into his cell phone records. I know that hacking into his cell phone records is a bad one, but it revealed that she had been using other peoples phones (including the phone in the office of the Catholic school that our children attend) to talk to him for literally hundreds of hours.

So, my recommendation is observe and document, then confront.
Did that save your marriage? That is the goal, after all, right? Otherwise, there is no need to accumulate all that evidence. The courts don’t want it, and you might even get into legal trouble yourself if you cross certain boundaries to get it. If you go too far, you give your wayward spouse a way to rationalize his or her violations of trust.

The law protects privacy, even the privacy of adulterers who are alienating the affections of your spouse, but the law does essentially nothing to protect the bonds of marriage. When it comes to protecting your marriage, you are on your own. No matter what you do, the law leaves you vulnerable to the unilateral decision of your spouse to abandon you, even if you are innocent and have kept all of your promises to the full extent of both the letter and the spirit of your vows.

I would not go to great lengths to do detective work. If my spouse is not willing to be open and demonstrate that he is transparent and worthy of my trust, that’s a problem. I don’t have a problem with putting GPS on a car that belongs to me, too, but if I had evidence enough that I’d feel justified in violating the privacy of someone outside our marriage, I have evidence enough to say my trust is being put through the wringer.
 
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