Swearing

  • Thread starter Thread starter MTH
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
M

MTH

Guest
Is this really true? I very rarely, if ever, swear. However, I do use some of the words listed below such as “Gee”, “Gosh”, “Heck”, etc. that I never thought were swear words or even close. The below was taken from this website, trosch.org/phi/swearing.htm. Next time I go to confession, do I really need to confess this? According to this site, saying these words is taking the name of the Lord in vain, which we all know is is against the 2nd Commandment.

*Taking the name of the Lord “in vain” means using it lightly or thoughtlessly… or, as Webster says, giving it “no real value.”
Code:
   Good Christians do not carelessly use the term "God," or on any occasion combine it with such words as "damn". They know that this is taking God's name "in vain." Doing so is a mortal sin. BUT... many Christians who do not WANT to "swear" or take God's name in vain, are doing just that when they use such words as "Gosh," "Golly," "Gee," and other similar expressions. 

   Once again, the dictionary helps us understand what these words mean. 
           It gives us these definitions:
GEE - a form of Jesus.
GOLLY - a euphemism for God. (Euphemism - the substitution of one word for another.)
GOSH - a substitute for God.
Another word that some Christians seem to use easily is "darn" (or "darned"). Webster's definition for these words is simply "damn" or "damned." To say, "Gol-darn it" is the same as combining the two words, "God and damn" and adding "it." Also, "I'll be darned" is saying "I'll be damned." No one really wants to be damned! How about the word "heck." The dictionary says that it is another word for "hell."*
 
40.png
MTH:
Is this really true? I very rarely, if ever, swear. However, I do use some of the words listed below such as “Gee”, “Gosh”, “Heck”, etc. that I never thought were swear words or even close. The below was taken from this website, trosch.org/phi/swearing.htm. Next time I go to confession, do I really need to confess this? According to this site, saying these words is taking the name of the Lord in vain, which we all know is is against the 2nd Commandment.

*Taking the name of the Lord “in vain” means using it lightly or thoughtlessly… or, as Webster says, giving it “no real value.”
Code:
   Good Christians do not carelessly use the term "God," or on any occasion combine it with such words as "damn". They know that this is taking God's name "in vain." Doing so is a mortal sin. BUT... many Christians who do not WANT to "swear" or take God's name in vain, are doing just that when they use such words as "Gosh," "Golly," "Gee," and other similar expressions. 

   Once again, the dictionary helps us understand what these words mean. 
           It gives us these definitions:
GEE - a form of Jesus.
GOLLY - a euphemism for God. (Euphemism - the substitution of one word for another.)
GOSH - a substitute for God.
Code:
   Another word that some Christians seem to use easily is "darn" (or "darned"). Webster's definition for these words is simply "damn" or "damned." To say, "Gol-darn it" is the same as combining the two words, "God and damn" and adding "it." Also, "I'll be darned" is saying "I'll be damned." No one really wants to be damned! How about the word "heck." The dictionary says that it is another word for "hell."*
I know, some will say, oh ya,…we can expect that from a “fundamentalist”. However I believe this to be proper in a Christian’s life.

I. Your words will come back to you
A. God, Who knows and hears everything, will judge each word you speak (Matthew 12:34-37)
i) “Out of the Abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh” (v 34)
ii) You will give account for “every idle word” that you speak (v 36)
iii) “By thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned” (v 37)
Code:
B. God will reveal even what is said in secret
 i) It "shall be proclaimed upon the housetops" (Luke 12:2-3)
ii) "God shall judge the secrets of men..." (Romans 2:16)
iii) God will judge every motive - “The thoughts and intents of the heart” (Hebrews 4:12-13)

II. A. Profanity: To treat with irreverence or contempt; to treat as common (not sacred); to desecrate.
i) Taking the name of God in vain (Exodus 20:7)
ii) Blaspheming the name of God: to speak of lightly or irreverently (Colossians 3:8)
iii) Speaking lightly of the lake of fire: “Hell”
iv) Euphemisms for God’s name. A word or phrase substituted for a profane word. A less offensive way of saying something offensive. Gosh, Golly, Gad, Good Grief, My God! Goodness Gracious, Gee, Geez, Gee Whiz, Holy smoke, Holy Cow, etc.
B. Cursing: To utter a wish of evil against. To damn something that is, to literally ask God to send someone or something to Hell.
i) Damn it. God damn, “Go to Hell!”
ii) Euphemisms: Darn, Darn it, Durn, Dang.
C. Swearing: To make a solemn promise by appealing to God or something else. To make an oath that you are telling the truth or that you will perform that which you have spoken (“I swear to God).
i) We are not to bear false witness (Exodus 20:16)
ii) Jesus said, “Swear not at all” (Matthew 5:33-36)
iii) Let your communication be, yea, yea; nay, nay…”(Matthew 5:33)
iv) Euphemisms:for Heaven’s sake, My Stars! (swearing by Heaven), My land’s (swearing by earth), By Jove (swearing by a Roman God).
D. Filthy Communication
i) “Put off all…filthy communication out of your mouth.” (Colossians 3:8)
ii) Obscenities: words that are immoral; lewd (“four letter words”). Used as cuss words, expletives (words added for emphasis), and exclamations. Speaking profanely about sex or body parts.
iii) Dirty stories, filthy jokes: “…jesting, which (is) not convenient…” (Ephesians 5:4)
iv) Slang or vulgar words: often used as euphemisms for profanity (bloody, ****, shoot, bull, etc.)
 
Well words like “Heck”, “Gosh”, even “For Pete’s sake!”, are all simply toned down versions of the “real thing.” I don’t know how much harm there really is in it, but when I have children, I certainly won’t be hearing any of them saying “Heck!” 😉
When you become aware of what you’re really saying, it’s becomes really easy to stop saying these words.
 
III. Idle Language to be avoided
A. Idle language achieves nothing of value. It does not edify (Matthew 12:36).
B. “Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying that it may minister grace to the hearers” (Ephesians 4:29)
C. Idle talking includes such things as gossip, “shooting the breeze”, slander, backbiting, name calling, perverse disputing, etc.
IV. Watching your tongue
A. Determine to use language for the purpose for which it was designed.
i) God made Adam and Eve with a complete vocabulary. God also confounded the languages at Bebel, causing mankind to scatter throughout the earth. (Genesis 11:7-9)
ii) The purpose of language is to communicate truth, to edify, to give thanks, to praise and glorify God (Colossians 3:17, Hebrews 13:15)
B. Determine to make your tongue a fountain of blessing rather than a cesspool of cursing and bitterness (James 3:2-18). Follow the old adage; if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all.
C. Ask God for Help. “Set a watch, O Lord, before my mouth; keep the door of my lips” (Psalm 141:3)
D. Desire to please God with your speech. “Let the words of thy mouth, and the mediation of my heart, be acceptable in Thy sight, O Lord my strength, and my redeemer” (Psalm 19:14)
E. Be careful about picking up expressions, especially those that show exclamation or disappointment. These often are euphemisms for curse words. Have “sound speech that cannot be condemned” (Titus 2:8)
F. Do not treasure up unchristian language. When you happen to hear godless conversation, don’t treasure those words in your heart, but cast them down in your mind (Matthew 12:34; II Corinthians 10:5)
G. Seek to improve your vocabulary and communication skills. “Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man”. (Colossians 4:6)
IV Christ our example of a transformed tongue
A. Christ’s words were gracious words (Luke 4:22). The characteristic of showing grace and kindness.
B. Christ’s words were thoughtful words (Luke 4:25)
C. Christ’s words were powerful words (Luke 4:32,36)
i) He was filled with the Spirit (v 14)
ii) He spoke with authority (v 36), not as the scribes and Pharisees (John 7:46)
D. Let us “speak as the oracles of God…” by being Spirit-filled witnesses (I Peter 4:11)

OK, this is more, however related and I feel good knowledge to have.

🙂
 
GEE - a form of Jesus.
GOLLY - a euphemism for God. (Euphemism - the substitution of one word for another.)
GOSH - a substitute for God.
Let’s be serious here. “Gee” is short for “Jesus”, which is a transliteration of a Greek form of the Hebrew word Yehoshua (Joshua). Would you be offended if someone said “Joshua!” I doubt it. But that would be closer to the real word than “Gee.”

“Golly” and “Gosh” are substitues for “God,” which is a pagan word. Again, very far off the actual command.

What is the command anyway?

“Thou shalt not take the name of YHWH thy God in vain; for YHWH will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.”

The command is to treat the name YHWH as holy. This has little to do with “gosh,” “golly,” or “gee.” I’m not saying that “O my God” is the greatest of phrases, and I don’t know that we should use it. But these “euphemisms” are far from sin.
 
I agree about gosh, golly and gee wiz. But the name

God is holy and should not be taken in vain (o my ___).
And I would never dream of offending anyone by saying
gosh, golly or gee wiz. If I was with someone offended by
this, I would not say any of these, because they are
offended for the sake of holiness.
 
I knew about this many years ago. That’s why I’m trying awfully hard to say “oh boy!” and “oh my goodness!” (tho the later could be construed to refer to our Lord) instead of “gosh” etc…

Semantics! 😃
 
I probably screw up a lot and take the Lord’s name in vain with the real versions of those words. Am I proud of it, no; but if I am going to cut back on that then those other words are good substitutes. What is next, we come up with substitutes for the words gosh and darn so let’s say *&=+ for gosh and 0587 for darn. Since I don’t want to hear any argumetns over the made up words I would choose I will use those symbols for them. The point is the ditionary changes according to the venacualar over time.

Therefore it will say something like

*&=+: a version of gosh which is a version of God, get the point. Same goes for my other example.

Why don’t we bann the entire English language while we are at it.
 
I would bet that 99.999999999% of people would have no clue that golly, gosh and gee mean what has been said in this thread. Its the first I have ever heard of that and I am 57 and frankly I do not believe it or accept that using these words is in any shape or form construed as swearing. That is just ridiculous.
 
I’m with thistle on this one.

I remember as a boy the nuns used to utter what they called ejaculations when they were startled or surprised. They were usually fragments of a prayer. The ubiquitous “Oh my God!” seems to me to be the first line of the Act of Contrition.
I wonder if all those folks shouting out their surprise on “trading spaces” know that they are praying? 😉

IIRC the proscription is on taking the Lords name in vain not on not using it at all. So an occasional “Geez Louise” or a “Cheese and Crackers” is not necessarily a problem.

What’s the old joke? “Those who don’t believe in Gosh will be darned to Heck.”

Obscenity or scatological remarks, while not necessarily a polite indicator of a robust intellect, are not profanity.

I wonder what the Pope says when he stubs his toe going to the bathroom in the middle of the night…and is it in German?
 
40.png
MTH:
Is this really true? I very rarely, if ever, swear. However, I do use some of the words listed below such as “Gee”, “Gosh”, “Heck”, etc. that I never thought were swear words or even close. The below was taken from this website, trosch.org/phi/swearing.htm. Next time I go to confession, do I really need to confess this? According to this site, saying these words is taking the name of the Lord in vain, which we all know is is against the 2nd Commandment.

*Taking the name of the Lord “in vain” means using it lightly or thoughtlessly… or, as Webster says, giving it “no real value.” *

*Good Christians do not carelessly use the term “God,” or on any occasion combine it with such words as “damn”. They know that this is taking God’s name “in vain.” Doing so is a mortal sin. BUT… many Christians who do not WANT to “swear” or take God’s name in vain, are doing just that when they use such words as “Gosh,” “Golly,” “Gee,” and other similar expressions. *

*Once again, the dictionary helps us understand what these words mean. *
*It gives us these definitions: *

GEE - a form of Jesus.
GOLLY - a euphemism for God. (Euphemism - the substitution of one word for another.)
GOSH - a substitute for God.

Another word that some Christians seem to use easily is “darn” (or “darned”). Webster’s definition for these words is simply “damn” or “damned.” To say, “Gol-darn it” is the same as combining the two words, “God and damn” and adding “it.” Also, “I’ll be darned” is saying “I’ll be damned.” No one really wants to be damned! How about the word “heck.” The dictionary says that it is another word for “hell.”
If you purposely, and knowingly use a word with the intent of representing God or Jesus in a “vain” way, you are in violation of the 2nd Commandment. Otherwise, you are not. for example, if you use the word “jeepers” but DON’T mean “jesus” in doing so, you are not sinning.

Phil
 
That site looks like a sedevacantist or some other schismatic site.

Aside from the obvious, I think they go too far. Flippant or absent-minded use of God’s name is not a mortal sin, rather it is venial. Use of other words may be “idle language” but I would not go so far as to say sin.
 
I think for any of this to make common and logical sense, one must be born again. Then it is quite obvious and one has no problem with their language or understanding the purpose of it.

When I stub my toe, I say, “Thank you God, I didn’t break it”. There is no need for anything else. Satan is deceiving us, but God’s word says we will give an account of every word. Perhaps we should be more concerned for when we give account in front of a Just and Holy God.
 
40.png
NiceFundamental:
I think for any of this to make common and logical sense, one must be born again. Then it is quite obvious and one has no problem with their language or understanding the purpose of it…
I’m sorry, but I just don’t understand your point :confused:
 
I’m sorry, but I just don’t understand your point
That means that us Catholics can’t know anything about the subject because we aren’t “saved” or “born again”.

The street preachers around here always say the same things, and also that they never, ever, ever, EVER commit even the tiniest
sin. Sure… :rolleyes:
 
WHen I say gee whiz or ges, I am not substituting God’s name in my mind. The first that I ever heard of this was from a fundamentalist Pastor.

There are people in the world that can make anything dirty or bad. Let’s not become these people.

Now there was a time that I substituted beegezus for Jesus. I was breaking a bad habit and have now done away with even the substitute. If I heard someone use the word beegezus I would not automatically think that they were sinning by using the Lord’s name in vain. It might just be an innocent exclamation.

If in your head you substitute God’s name for any phrase, then pray about breaking the habit and stop using the word. If you aren’t using the word in place of God’s name then it isn’t something that need concern you. Either way this is an individual sin. Something that is between that person and God.
 
40.png
cheeto1:
I agree about gosh, golly and gee wiz. But the name

God is holy and should not be taken in vain (o my ___).
And I would never dream of offending anyone by saying
gosh, golly or gee wiz. If I was with someone offended by
this, I would not say any of these, because they are
offended for the sake of holiness.
I don’t agree with you.

IF a person realizes that he is substituting God’s name and stops using the words then he should be applauded.

If the same person makes the jump that what is in his mind must be in every other person’s mind then this person is a very immature Christian.

He is not being offended for the sake of holiness but for the sake of his own arrogance which assumes that whatever is happening in his own mind must be happening in others. This seems egotistical to me. In fact, if they were my friend I would do everything in my power to correct them. I would imagine that such a person, far from being humble, would in fact be very, very full of self pride.
 
Isn’t there a bible verse in which Paul curses? It seems that I read that the literal translation of one of the words that he uses means human excrement. I can’t remember what verse that is. He was doing this for emphasis, to get his point across. The word he used was translated in English to something less offensive. Does anyone know what verse I am referring to?
 
There seems to be some confusion here between swearing, using God’s name in vain, using profanity, and using questionable interjections.

Swearing is uttering an oath to say that what one is said is true. It is wrong if what one is lying, and it is wrong if one is telling the truth, but it is in a trivial matter.

Using God’s name in vain and using profanity is saying words that one should not say.

Using questionable interjections may be based on using God’s name in vain or on profanity, but are not in themselves using God’s name in vain or profanity.

Aren’t there any other words we can use?
 
Chris Jacobsen:
There seems to be some confusion here between swearing, using God’s name in vain, using profanity, and using questionable interjections.

Swearing is uttering an oath to say that what one is said is true. It is wrong if what one is lying, and it is wrong if one is telling the truth, but it is in a trivial matter.

Using God’s name in vain and using profanity is saying words that one should not say.

Using questionable interjections may be based on using God’s name in vain or on profanity, but are not in themselves using God’s name in vain or profanity.

Aren’t there any other words we can use?
If the word Gez or Gez whiz doesn’t in my mind mean Jesus then why would I use another word? USe whatever words you want but I have no plan to stop using innocent exclamations because some other person has decided to apply their own personal interpretations to the broader population.

If in your mind such words are a substitute then don’t use them. I see nothing at all questionable about these interjections. I do see something sinful about people deciding that something is a sin or even questionable for the majority of people when it is not.

If you are having difficulty in this matter then make confession and spend time in prayer.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top