Swirly thing...

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VociMike said:
Right. I meant to write American Sign Language or British Sign Language, but for the latter I incorrectly wrote English Sign Language. The sign is apparently BSL, which makes it rather odd to find it being used in the States.
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Agreed.
 
VociMike said:
Right. I meant to write American Sign Language or British Sign Language, but for the latter I incorrectly wrote English Sign Language. The sign is apparently BSL, which makes it rather odd to find it being used in the States.
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I wonder if it’s something that got in by way of the Alpha program? (Which is originally British, and seems to be popular with a lot of Catholics, lately, and probably has some bizarro gestures in it.)
 
jmcrae said:
I wonder if it’s something that got in by way of the Alpha program? (Which is originally British, and seems to be popular with a lot of Catholics, lately, and probably has some bizarro gestures in it.)
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Is the Alpha program Anglican? When you say British, what do you mean by that?

It means many things to many different people, I surely dont even know if I have the correct understanding of it, and depending on who you ask- you could get several different answers on it.

All I know, is that there is an Alpha program that is supposed to be like RCIA, and someone here told me to check it out. I dont think it sounds like its geared for someone new, but someone already baptised? And, if its not a strictly Catholic program, why would it be used?
 
no this is not part of ALPHA, which is a class, and does not include liturgy at all, although there is usually a shared meal or convivencia.
 
notsmart said:
Is the Alpha program Anglican? When you say British, what do you mean by that?
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Yes, the Alpha program is Anglican, and British.
All I know, is that there is an Alpha program that is supposed to be like RCIA, and someone here told me to check it out. I dont think it sounds like its geared for someone new, but someone already baptised? And, if its not a strictly Catholic program, why would it be used?
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Supposedly it is “ecumenical” and it is, actually, intended for people who know absolutely nothing about Christianity.

I think it’s far more suitable for Protestants, though, since the whole thing is predicated on the notion that Christ never founded a church and that Christianity is reducible to a set of principles that don’t actually require lifestyle changes, should one choose to accept them - that one’s relationship with Christ is “purely spiritual” in a sense that seems to mean that it has no discernable impact on real life.

(My take on things is, if Christ isn’t completely wrecking your day-today life from the ground up, you aren’t “in a relationship with” Him - you’re just a tourist. 😉 )
 
I dont see what the purpose of Alpha is then, as it seems to not be a bridge to the Catholic Church, but an obstacle to arriving at the claims of the Catholic Church.
How very, odd.
 
Hmmm, okay, so a swirly motion at the “allelluia” complete with finger pointing is only sign language of the fancy British accent variety … Could be worse … could’ve been disco making a comeback … :bigyikes:

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AMDGtoo said:
I’ve seen it too at one of the parishes I was visiting. The sign was “attached” to the singing of the Gloria. And the director there also said something about it being “sign language”.
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Interesting, assuming it is BSL, then this should be no different than saying or singing any other parts (as some parishes do at some masses) in different local languages. If it is viewed as a local language/vernacular of the mass.
 
the_phoenix said:
Hmmm, okay, so a swirly motion at the “allelluia” complete with finger pointing is only sign language of the fancy British accent variety … Could be worse … could’ve been disco making a comeback … :bigyikes:

~~ the phoenix
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Its only funny for those of us who are old enough to remember, strike that- are still trying to forget.😉
Disco that is.
 
This whole thread is so utterly absurd I can’t believe it. I’m going to keep my eyes peeled for this gesture from now on (from the description of it, it sounds like the “whoop-dee-doo” gesture my brother and I would make sarcastically when younger- great connotations for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass :rolleyes: ).

Next time we visit my parents, I’ll be on the lookout for it at that parish- they never fail to have some sort of liturgical monkey-business going on.
 
VociMike said:
No it’s British Sign Language. I misspoke when I wrote “English Sign Language”.

I did a bit of googling and here’s a blog entry that talks about it (assuming this is the gesture the OP is talking about):

clownmasses.blogspot.com/2006/06/liturgical-gestures-jesters.html
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Loved this part:
the Mass, to any British deaf person sounded like, “blah, blah, blah, Alleluia, blah, blah, blah.” Of course to any American deaf person if didn’t sound like anything.
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But I haven’t seen this at any parish near me. I hope it never comes - just one more part of Mass I would have to pray with my eyes closed. 😦
 
the_phoenix said:
Hmmm, okay, so a swirly motion at the “allelluia” complete with finger pointing is only sign language of the fancy British accent variety … Could be worse … could’ve been disco making a comeback … :bigyikes:

~~ the phoenix
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I think they’re working on that in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles 😃
 
I just can’t believe the utter goofiness (is that even a word?) that some people try to introduce into the Mass. Why do we have to, every so often go through these innane (I know that one is a word), ridiclous displays?? Who sits around and thinks that stuff up anyway, and why???
 
allhers said:
I just can’t believe the utter goofiness (is that even a word?) that some people try to introduce into the Mass. Why do we have to, every so often go through these innane (I know that one is a word), ridiclous displays?? Who sits around and thinks that stuff up anyway, and why???
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If the Catholic Church’s claims are correct- then why would you be confused as to the author of this kind of thing?

Who would benefit most by scandalizing people?:eek:
 
Never seen it in any parishes in England, although there was a time where people raised their hands every time the priest did, thats long faded out now though.
 
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