Swoon Theory, Scholars

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Looking at it from the Roman side of things… that would be bad news for the guards there on scene. My gut is telling me that the guys on scene would make very sure that the three on the crosses were well and truly dead. Especially the political prisoner one.
 
It depends on the scholar I guess. Dr Nuria seems to be regurgitating the same “evidence” found in Ahmed Deedat’s Crucifixion or Cruci-fiction.

The problem of course is that he uses medical practices of today as evidence of what Christ’s disciples “obviously” knew. Nothing I can find in Greek or Roman medicine of that time shows that pericardiocentesis (removing fluid from around the heart) was a common practice and would have been known to Nicodemus. Many of his quotes about not sealing Christ’s wounds are drawn from 'The Crucifixion of Jesus by an Eye Witness". This is a supposed eye witness account written some 7 years after the crucifixion. The issue of course is that no one has ever seen anything but a translation of this document and it makes mention of the 4 gospels having already been written in 40 AD some 20-30 years before most scholars attribute the earliest gospel.

So given the above I highly doubt that most scholars agree with the preponderance of evidence supporting the swoon theory.
 
Jesus was definitely not alive when He was speared through the lungs and heart.

🕊️🙏🌹
 
But are scholars now changing their opinions about the swoon theory, and believing it to be true?
 
But are scholars now changing their opinions about the swoon theory, and believing it to be true?
The Catholic Church says Jesus died on the Cross. Any scholar who disagrees with that infallible Teaching, is wrong.
 
BUT, my question still stands. Are scholars now changing their minds, and are believing in the swoon theory or not?
 
Faith, this is more of the same old stuff. “scholars” is a relative term.
Doubters, detractors, non-theological researchers…

Stick to what the Catholic Church has said on the matter, for they are at the FOREFRONT of Christian History, not someone with a conspiracy theory a couple thousand of years later.
 
I personally don’t believe in the swoon theory, and I believe Jesus was, indeed, dead. Wha I want to know is if scholars have changed their opinion and are now believing in the swoon theory?
 
BUT, my question still stands. Are scholars now changing their minds, and are believing in the swoon theory or not?
That goes against Catholic Doctrine. Why are you asking that question on a forum which is styled, “Catholic Answers”?
 
Nice to see you, But be careful who you listen to, it’s meant to confuse. ✝️😘
 
Looking at it from the Roman side of things… that would be bad news for the guards there on scene
Bingo. It would have been very difficult to…

(1) get past the guards while they were all asleep. Hard to imagine such a powerfully trained group as the feared Roman soldiers would not know how to position a guard without them all falling asleep

(2) the Roman soldiers would have been easily able to beat back a rag tag group of untrained Jewish freedom fighters

(3) even if all the guards were asleep, how could the disciples of Jesus from the inside have rolled back the massive stone without waking anyone up?

The “swoon theory” is easily discredited.
 
I think I once read another theory to add to the swoon theory, which was that perhaps somehow the guards were all drugged and fell asleep, not to be awakened.
 
I think I once read another theory to add to the swoon theory, which was that perhaps somehow the guards were all drugged and fell asleep, not to be awakened.
My response to an argument such as this would be to point out that the Jews did not believe the messiah would rise from the dead, but that he would come back at the end of time and then rise up but not die (John 12:34).

Why would the Jewish leaders go through all the trouble of placing a guard if the Jewish teaching was that the messiah would not die? Wouldn’t the people just count Jesus as another failed revolutionary?

It was because the Jewish leaders may have suspected Jesus was more than just a revolutionary. They had every reason to make sure that Jesus remained in the tomb, because if he “got out”, then untold disaster could happen (indeed it did happen) to the Jewish leaders’ way of life.

The Jewish leaders had everything to lose by allowing Jesus to escape from the tomb. Their very livelihood was at stake. Crowds had been mesmerized by Jesus and if the disciples could steal his body and prove he had risen (even if they stole his body), the people would surely follow him and his followers
 
The “swoon theory” is only held by some Muslim scholars with an agenda to push.

It’s garbage.
 
Your question is somewhat poorly framed, as it uses terms (such as “scholars”) while not defining what one means by the term; and “majority”.

The silliness of the Jesus Seminar has not been something new; a goodly amount of what they did and believed goes back to the very late 1600’s and forward. No one has ever, to my knowledge, taken a poll of who believes what; most of that can be determined by reading the professional works that individuals have published.

One poster blames this all on Muslims. I have no idea if Muslims have waded in on the matter, but the underpinning goes back through non-Muslims.

One allegedly can ascribe to themself the title “Scholar”, and unless someone else comes along and debunks the title, it will carry some weight among some people - particularly among those to whom th works of that individual appeal… So if someone does not believe what we profess in the Creed, they might take strongly to an individual positing that Christ was not actually killed by the crucifixion. As an aside, one can get a degree in theology (as in a Masters or PhD) without having to process that they believe what the Creed states. That then would likely qualify them as a scholar.

In all likelihood, those individuals supporting the "work’ of the “scholar”, like the “scholar” do not believe that Christ was God incarnate, do not believe that He was the second person of the Trinity, and will attach to any cockamamie theory to support their lack of belief. and among them may be some Catholics, people who were once upon a time baptized, but who somewhere along the line either did not accept the teachings of the Church, or parted company with those beliefs.
So to answer your question, undoubtedly there may be a few individuals who have garduate degrees in theology (largely, but not exclusively Protestant) who believe thw swoon theory and anything else which gets tied to it.

They have no faith (by their own profession) and have no credibility among those who have faith.
 
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Hope1960: If you have not read The Case for Christ, try to get a hold of it (from your library or buy it because it is worth it). It is by Lee Strobel who is a journalist. It comes in paperback. Strobel’s wife became Christian but he was an extreme sceptic. Eventually, his wife’s personality change for the better made him decide to go to professors and other professionals to ask questions such as yours (the swoon theory and the gravesite situation). The interviews are described in the book and in the end he was convinced that the Christian story is true. It has been about 20 years since the book came out but is as relevant now as it was then.
 
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