Syncretistic prayers with Muslims... any advice?

[LoyalChristian]

Still, even if it is not objectively wrong, it should not be entered into lightly, and it would make sense for groups doing this to consult their bishop on the matter.

Is it wrong or right? Why such a long answer to confuse people even more. Does the Holy Spirit direct the Pope to do everthying or are some actions done without the Holy Spirit.

 

[rinnie]

The unity of ALL DIVIDED HUMANITY is the WILL of God. UT UMUM SINT, 6

The Pope said in 1985 to 50,000 Muslims in Morocco that Muslims and Christians should be in respectful dialogue nevermore as communities in conflict.

For those who claim that we have a different God.

The Popes speech to young Muslims in Casablanca 1985.

We Beleive in the SAME GOD the ONE GOD and the LIVING GOD who created the world and brings his creatures to perfection.

With this said, how could it be WRONG for Christians, Muslims even Jews to all pray together to the ONE TRUE GOD?

 

[Luvtosew]

rinnie,

yes its the same Father , but not the same God. We believe in the Trinity and they don’t.

Help me out here people, do Muslins and Jews even believe in the Holy Spirit ?? I don’t know, but I don’t think so as Jesus left us him as a comforter, A Parting Gift so to say.

but I know they don’t believe Jesus is the son of the Father, our Savior.

 

[rinnie]

Yes I agree. Nothing personally against Muslins of course, but us Christians do have to stay true to our faith.

But how is praying with Muslims to the Same God together in one place not staying true to our faith. Are we not one nation under GOD?

Does God not love the Jews, Muslims, Christians all the same? Do Jews Muslims, Christians not all have the same true God of Abraham,

 

[LoyalChristian]

We believe in the The Father, The Holy Spirit, and Christ in God. Never deny Jesus Christ, don’t even withdraw him from prayers.

 

[sedonaman]

…Who am I to say which religion is bad or good, or if we need religion. To me it gets more and more confusing.

This is Restricted Indifferentism. newadvent.org/cathen/07759a.htm [scroll down]

 

[LoyalChristian]

This is Restricted Indifferentism. newadvent.org/cathen/07759a.htm [scroll down]

I believe in Jesus Christ, our Saviour to come to fulfill the scriptures.

 

[Luvtosew]

Rinnie,
I don’t think you comprehend the Trinity.
The Father, Son and Holy Spirti= our God (all in one)

Muslins
Father and angel Gabriel as their Holy Spirit and Jesus was just another prophet.

Jews= one God

Yes all the same Father, but different God.

 

[LoyalChristian]

If the Pope can change the words in the Apostle’s Creed so quickly, then is it possible to change the belief in Jesus Christ as God so quickly. The word is the truth according to the Bible. I have been a R.C for all my life and I am going to die with the Jesus Christ as the truth.

 

[Luvtosew]

If the Pope can change the words in the Apostle’s Creed so quickly, then is it possible to change the belief in Jesus Christ as God so quickly. The word is the truth according to the Bible. I have been a R.C for all my life and I am going to die with the the truth till my dying days in Jesus’s name.

Heaven forbid. the Catholic Church would no longer exist. we would have to become Protestant.

 

[LoyalChristian]

It’s just another way to banish the word Christ from Society. Then it will be the crucifex.

 

[sedonaman]

First, a methodological note on the original post:

You started with the presumption that this practice is wrong and are looking to magisterial texts for support in this. I think this is not the best way to go about it. You assume from the outset that what you think is what the Church teaches. It would be better to say, well, I think this is wrong, but what is Church teaching on the matter? Are you seeking truth, or are you seeking to be confirmed in your opinions, and to show others that they are wrong? …

I think you are splitting a very fine hair here. If we are to pursue truth, do we first have to prove truth exists?

 

[jlhargus]

mark for remarks

 

[Fone_Bone_2001]

Hello everyone,

A case has come to my attention recently of a Catholic community here in Jerusalem that prays together with Muslims.

Does anyone know of a Magisterial document that says that this is wrong so that we could take action and write to the superior of the community?

thanks in advance,

Ariel
Catholics for Israel

Sorry, it’s not necessarily wrong. So we should give them the benefit of the doubt.

Why* wouldn’t *this be wrong?

Because we share the same God, as the Catechism authoritatively attests.

Praying with them is legitimizing their religion as proper conduit to God.

No, it’s not. There’s no logical reason why praying alongside them constitutes such an implication. Until you can justify such an assertion, there’s no reason to take seriously the claim that praying alongside them is morally problematic.

It is one thing to show respect for a religion, but praying with another faith is akin to letting a Muslim approach the Eucharist.

We’re not talking about “praying with another faith” but rather praying alongside individual Muslims. The latter certainly is nothing like “letting a Muslim approach the Eucharist.”

Praying with them gives no fruitful outcome.

We don’t know that.

I don’t even think it’d be a stretch to say that the Muslim God was not the same as ours.

I’m sure you know that the Catechism of the Catholic Church explicitly asserts that we and the Muslims have the same God.

I don’t recall the prophet Elijah praying with Baal priests.

Baal is a pagan deity. Despite the errors of Islam, their God is still the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, so the two situations are not logically comparable.

You would be praying to a different God, they do not believe in the Trinity,

I really do believe this would be breaking the 1st commandment.

Nothing personally against Muslins.

Well, Church teaching - which explicitly asserts that Muslims and Christians worship the same God, and which permits praying alongside those of different religions - especially Jews and Muslims - disagrees with you. Thus so do I.

Muslims are incorrect to believe that God is not a Trinity. But they intentionally direct their prayers and worship to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Thus the truth is not that their God isn’t Triune; rather, they mistakenly believe that God is not Triune.

See?

Now why can’t Catholics participate in communion with the Lutherans and Methodist?

Praying alongside someone doesn’t require religious unity between the individuals involved.

Eucharistic reception does. That’s the difference.

Seriously, if we can no longer discern the difference between praying next to someone who disagrees with us, and receiving the Holy Eucharist…

 

[rinnie]

Rinnie,
I don’t think you comprehend the Trinity.
The Father, Son and Holy Spirti= our God (all in one)

Muslins
Father and angel Gabriel as their Holy Spirit and Jesus was just another prophet.

Jews= one God

Yes all the same Father, but different God.

Trust me I comprehed the Trinity just fine. We have God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit one in being with the Father.

The Jews just did not recognize God as the Son. God revealed himself to us as the Father Son Holy Spirit. But them not understanding him as fully human and fully divine does not take away the fact that they do recognize him as GOD the Father the same GOD THE FATHER as us.

And Yes I understand the Muslims do not accept Christ as God the Son. But again they do accept him as GOD THE FATHER, which is my point.

 

[rinnie]

If the Pope can change the words in the Apostle’s Creed so quickly, then is it possible to change the belief in Jesus Christ as God so quickly. The word is the truth according to the Bible. I have been a R.C for all my life and I am going to die with the Jesus Christ as the truth.

What does changing the words have to do with keeping the same exact truth? Where is it revealed in Scripture or Holy Tradition that words cannot change with the times, but the truth still remains.

So then when we call Jesus God, or Father, or Christ, or our Lord and Savior, thats changing truth?

 

[Luvtosew]

I’m sure you know that the Catechism of the Catholic Church explicitly asserts that we and the Muslims have the same God.

We have the same Father, huge difference!!!

Well why don’t Muslins come to Church and pray with us, and we can have blankets on the floor. We can become a Christlam Church.

 

[Leegal]

Hello everyone,

A case has come to my attention recently of a Catholic community here in Jerusalem that prays together with Muslims.

Does anyone know of a Magisterial document that says that this is wrong so that we could take action and write to the superior of the community?

thanks in advance,

Ariel
Catholics for Israel
www.catholicsforisrael.com
catholicsforisrael.blogspot.com/

If it’s prayer alone, I think there’s no prohibition. You are not participating in a Muslim religious ceremony.

However, if it bothers you then by all means do not attend. I don’t think there’s anyone to write to since it’s a communal prayer service, but if you attend you might find the Catholic authority under which this takes place and address whatever concerns you have.

However, I note no Jews are included so I see a concern. I would like to take this as a sign that Muslims are willing to live in peace with their neighbors so I would hope that Jews were included in a communal prayer. For that reason, I probably would not attend.

 

[rinnie]

I’m sure you know that the Catechism of the Catholic Church explicitly asserts that we and the Muslims have the same God.

We have the same Father, huge difference!!!

Well why don’t Muslins come to Church and pray with us, and we can have blankets on the floor. We can become a Christlam Church.

That can only be accomplished by the power of the Holy Spirit.

To address the other question answered No one can receive the Body Of Christ in the Catholic CHurch without being instructed first.

The reason is if a Christian recieves the body of Christ and are in a state of Mortal sin, they condemn themselves before our dear Lord.

It is the job of the Church to teach the truth and lead all people to Christ.

Also many Christians do not accept the Eucharist as the true living bread from heaven, the actual body of Christ, They feel its only a symbol.

 

[rinnie]

I’m sure you know that the Catechism of the Catholic Church explicitly asserts that we and the Muslims have the same God.

We have the same Father, huge difference!!!

Well why don’t Muslins come to Church and pray with us, and we can have blankets on the floor. We can become a Christlam Church.

How can us having the Same God, God the Father the Father of Abraham be a huge difference?