I knew someone would reply with an ad hominem. Why didn’t you critique his thesis instead?
Does this mean we can pray with Muslims. I think not.
They do not worship the one true God.
We pray for them…not with them. The Holy Trinity will do the rest.
You may do as you wish. I do not practice extreme ecumenism or syncretism. Yes…this is where we truly disagree.
Well…formally and Liturgically is definitely a no-no. But if a Muslim wanted to pray with me in my home in front of my Icon corner offering worship and prayers to the Holy Trinity…I suppose this would be a different scenario. I would confer with my spiritual father.
Indeed.
The muslims in Egypt don’t seem to understand this as they create Coptic Christian martyrs. The Chaldeans in Iraq are also joining the ranks of martyrdom. Etc. etc…
If they are willing to worship the Trinity in truth and prayer…wonderful. Otherwise…I will pray for them.
I suppose it depends on how they pray as they stand beside you…and if you stay silent if/when heresy is uttered.
I did, and it said that the Lord stayed with Abraham and the other 2 angels went on into the town alone.
This is not the teaching of the Catholic Church. Is this what your Church teaches that you are not to pray with others who are a different faith. That you can only pray for them?
Yep, Protestants and Catholic’s alike. Our Priest was there everyone of all faiths were called to pray together.
The three strangers are the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. This is a famous Icon in the Holy Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Church. The God of Abraham is the Holy Trinity. There are types of the Holy Trinity throughout the Old Testament.
Does your Church encourage you to pray with Muslims?
The God of Abraham is the Holy Trinity. Muslims deny the Trinity…hence they deny the one true God.
How does muslin pray? There is a muslin prophet? Would this be this:http://textiletechinfo.com/images/cotton-plant.jpg
You are not communicating the teaching accurately here. The Muslims CLAIM to follow the God of Abraham. So we give credit for them for trying. That is what the passage quoted in the CCC from LG is acknowledging.History will show they worship the God of Abraham, if that is not the One True God we have quite a problem. Do you deny that the God of Abraham is the One true God?
mohammedanism is ideology wrapped in the cloak of religion, and the ideology and political structure is very much described in earthly terms of governance and political structure. The ultimate goal is a worldwide Caliphate. It’s everything the Pharisees did but without much in the way of actual religion. It’s the strong man religion the true Zionists (which is wholly political in nature) want to bring to effect. Judaism, however, is not necessarily Zionism as charged. Christianity has no political goals and has always been understood as primarily a spiritual ideology. This is why the Church does not officially endorse any political system, but does condemn some based on their inherent incompatibility with justice and human dignity.
Illogical conclusion. It’s no more true than saying, “Judas was a Apostle, we have Apostolic succession, ergo, my Bishop might have descended from Judas”. Well, given Judas’ rejection of Christ, no. One does not necessarily beget the other.
Jesus spent a good part of His ministry trying to show how skewed the view of God really was amongst the Jews.
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If Muslins** take over the world, does that mean there will be no more nylon or synthetic fabrics? No spandex? No breathable wickable materials?
Some people, such as myself, try our best not to use the word “muslim”. When I do use it, I generally leave it lowercase. Same thing with “islam”. I prefer to use the term mohammedanism, because “islam” so-called, means submission, insinuating submission to God. They do not submit to God. They follow the example and message set forth by mohammed. Ergo, mohammedanism. Sometimes I even change entire sentence structure to keep from placing an associated title at the beginning of a sentence which would necessitate capitalization.
I correlate this this to the way the Jews make a bunch of noise during the readings for Purim when Haman’s name is mentioned.
Abraham was Jewish. He worshipped God. The Son had not yet been born when Abraham was alive.
Abraham understood the concept of God choosing to reveal Himself in various ways. The Pharisees, during Jesus’ trial, plainly understood the Messianic concept of the Son. They just rejected it. How could Peter, as a Jew, express the belief he did in Jesus as the Christ, Son of the living God, if the expectation of the arrival, or even the concept at all, wasn’t there? Why would Herod and his scripture researchers have been so alarmed at the Magi’s reason for visit if not expected and confirmed in Scripture? The Holy Innocents who were martyred in the attempt of killing baby Jesus weren’t martyred on hearsay, they were killed because the Scripture and Judaism understood the concept.
Additionally, regarding the Incarnation, it seems you are almost insinuating the status of the Son is not consubstantial with the Father due to the subjective chronological timeline within our dimensional understanding and existence. I would hope you are meaning the actual incarnation of the Word having not taken place, Abraham would not have understood the concept of the Son as revealed in the personage of Jesus of Nazareth in the Gospel. That is arguably true, but, semantics. Even Job expressed the hope of Salvation through a Living Redeemer.
Those who say such things about Judaism and Zionism are ignorant through and through. Judaism, at its core, and not the political aspirations of true anti-Goyim Zionists, is not an ideology in the political sense. It was commanded to draw the world to it, not slay the world if it didn’t submit on every continent. Judaism has never sought to reside anywhere BUT Israel. Zionism is a broad brush word anyway as it can have very different connotations depending on the speaker/hearer/adherent.
The strangers were angels.
They were a type of the Holy Trinity. Read the Church Fathers.
Yes, Our Pope had done this.
Ok, but then do not be offended when others do the same with Christianity.
Respect will beget respect. Be kind to everyone, even people of other faiths!Everything I’ve read says angels.
He says to pray with Muslims?
Surely you are not saying that someone who denies the Holy Trinity still prays to the one true God. That is ludicrous!
Correct.
You’d best read a bit more.
If I, as a Christian, am to expect anything BUT offense to Christianity by non-believers, I am woefully starry-eyed and in for a world of hurt.Ok, but then do not be offended when others do the same with Christianity.
What do muslins have to do with the fact you have gay friends? I was referring to people calling Muslims “Muslins” (which is a cotton fabric). Do you call your gay friend slanderous gay terms? Somehow, I think not…