It’s in an apologetics thread:Does anyone have a link to an English translation of the new document?
That links to a document from last year, not the working document just released.It’s in an apologetics thread:
vatican.va/roman_curia/synod/documents/rc_synod_doc_20140626_instrumentum-laboris-familia_en.html .
I’m not even done with Laudato Si yet!.
Cheers, thanks for that. Yes, Pope Francis is providing us with a constant stream of discussion material.It’s in an apologetics thread:
vatican.va/roman_curia/synod/documents/rc_synod_doc_20140626_instrumentum-laboris-familia_en.html .
I’m not even done with Laudato Si yet!.
Isn’t that from last year?It’s in an apologetics thread:
vatican.va/roman_curia/synod/documents/rc_synod_doc_20140626_instrumentum-laboris-familia_en.html .
I’m not even done with Laudato Si yet!.
Good one.Isn’t that from last year?
Yes, the OP linked to the 2014’s document, and I read it, using Google Translate. Yours references the updated current version.Good one.. After looking at the document in the link I gave above, I was confused that it lists 2014 in the title, whereas the Italian document says 2015. I’m still not sure the difference, but here is a link to Vatican Radio that explains the new document:
en.radiovaticana.va/news/2015/06/23/working_document_for_synod_of_family_published/1153592 .
The Instrumentum Laboris contains the full text of the Final Document (Relatio Synodi) of the previous Synod on the Family held in 2014 as well as a summary of the replies to a questionnaire that that was sent to all the Catholic Bishops’ Conferences and other Church organizations around the world.
- (52) Have you considered the possibility that the divorced and remarried have access to the sacraments of Penance and the Eucharist. Several Synod Fathers have insisted in favor of the current rules in force of the fundamental relationship between participation in the Eucharist and communion with the Church and its teaching on marriage indissoluble. Others spoke to welcome not generalized to the Eucharistic table, in certain specific situations and under strict conditions, especially when dealing with cases related to irreversible and moral obligations to the children who would suffer unjust suffering. Any access to the sacraments should be preceded by a penitential journey under the responsibility of the diocesan bishop. It should also be in-depth the issue, bearing in mind the distinction between the objective situation of sin and extenuating circumstances, given that “the imputability or responsibility for an action can be diminished or nullified” by various “psychological or social factors” (CCC, 1735).
- To address the above issue, there is a common agreement on the idea of a journey of reconciliation or by penance, under the authority of the Bishop, to the faithful who are divorced and remarried civilly, who are in a situation of cohabitation. In reference to Familiaris Consortio 84, it suggests a process of becoming aware of the failure and the wounds produced by it, with repentance, verification of the nullity of marriage, commitment to spiritual communion and decision to live in continence.
Others, by penitential mean a process of clarification and reorientation, after the failure experienced, accompanied by a priest appointed for this purpose. This process should lead the party concerned to a fair trial on their condition, in which even the same priest to mature its evaluation in order to make use of the power of binding and loosing adequately to the situation.
In order to deepen about the objective situation of sin and the moral culpability, some suggest to consider the Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church concerning the Reception of Holy Communion by divorced and remarried faithful of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith ( September 14, 1994) and the Declaration on the admissibility of the divorced and remarried to Holy Communion of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts (24 June 2000).
The spiritual participation in ecclesial communion
124. (53) Some have argued that fathers are divorced and remarried or cohabiting can fruitfully resorting to spiritual communion. Other fathers have wondered why not have access to that sacrament. It then called for a deepening of the theme that can bring out the peculiarities of the two forms and their connection with the theology of marriage.
m.asianews.it/index.php?art=34593&l=enOn the issue of remarried divorcés receiving the Eucharist, the Instrumentum focuses on “mutual agreement” towards the idea of a “penitential journey” under the supervision of a bishop, based on repentance, confirmation of the nullity of the marriage and the decision to live celibate.
Taken by itself, and not in perspective of the entire article 123, this appears to be literary license that does not consider the whole, and purports to give a slanted view.Regarding the Communion issue, note this:
There are multiple sources reporting on celibacy being part of it.Taken by itself, and not in perspective of the entire article 123, this appears to be literary license that does not consider the whole, and purports to give a slanted view.
It is important to read the document, rather than the interpreted view of the media.
The document doesn’t provide a clear fix, but suggests some wiggle room through this penitential process, even while stressing that the couple must decide to not have sex.
cruxnow.com/church/2015/06/23/vatican-sets-stage-for-family-debate-with-working-document/Monsignor Bruno Forte, a top synod organizer, said the key to the document was the concept of the “law of gradualness,” which encourages the faithful to take one step at a time in the search for holiness. The decision by civilly remarried Catholics to not have sex, for example, could come at the end of the path of penitence and not the beginning, he said.
Yes, that is a part of it, but that is not the entirety of the document that will be used in the Synod. As I said, to isolate and quote pet phrases that support one’s personal position is to skew what the Instrumentum Laboris outlines, in total, for discussion.There are multiple sources reporting on celibacy being part of it.
Hello,Taken by itself, and not in perspective of the entire article 123, this appears to be literary license that does not consider the whole, and purports to give a slanted view.
It is important to read the document, rather than the interpreted view of the media.
I deleted my previous post. The document released is sort of a declaration of various Synod Bishops proposals, but it doesn’t mean any of those proposals will go forward in regards to Communion for the divorced and remarried. After all, the Communion paragraph didn’t get 2/3rds approval. Communion for the divorced and remarried was looked at the previous Synod, and it was rejected.Yes, that is a part of it, but that is not the entirety of the document that will be used in the Synod. As I said, to isolate and quote pet phrases that support one’s personal position is to skew what the Instrumentum Laboris outlines, in total, for discussion.
I deleted my previous post. The document released is sort of a declaration of various Synod Bishops proposals, but it doesn’t mean any of those proposals will go forward and be enacted in regards to Communion for the divorced and remarried. We know the Communion paragraph in the final document didn’t get 2/3rds approval in the Synod last year. Communion for the divorced and remarried was looked at the previous Synod, and it wasn’t enacted.Yes, that is a part of it, but that is not the entirety of the document that will be used in the Synod. As I said, to isolate and quote pet phrases that support one’s personal position is to skew what the Instrumentum Laboris outlines, in total, for discussion.
(I see you deleted your post.)
By slanted, I meant that this single portion of the Article being removed from the whole, presents for those who are relying on the reporting in this forum, that the Instrumentum Laboris will address only that issue, and as such, is slanted.Hello,
The document itself says that is the common view, not a slanted one.
Dan
Of course. I merely present the significant Article in its entirety for those who wish to read it. Let’s leave it to the Synod to deliberate on what has been itemized within it.I deleted my previous post. The document released is sort of a declaration of various Synod Bishops proposals, but it doesn’t mean any of those proposals will go forward in regards to Communion for the divorced and remarried. We know the Communion paragraph in the final document didn’t get 2/3rds approval in the Synod last year. Communion for the divorced and remarried was looked at the previous Synod, and it was rejected.